State What You Believe

Budman · Jun 23, 2015

Everyone seems all over the place here regarding their beliefs. Maybe a thread stating what you believe will be helpful for future discourse. Let everyone know where you stand!

Please, no debating them here - this is simply for reference.

My beliefs regarding:

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world.

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way.

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination.

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical.

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false.

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general.

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed.

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed.

purgedconscience · Jun 23, 2015

Budman said:

Everyone seems all over the place here regarding their beliefs. Maybe a thread stating what you believe will be helpful for future discourse. Let everyone know where you stand!

Please, no debating them here - this is simply for reference.

My beliefs regarding:

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world.

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way.

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination.

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical.

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false.

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general.

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed.

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed.

haha

Just kidding.

Do we have to address all of the same topics that you addressed?

I'll more than likely share some of my own beliefs later.

Thanks for sharing your own.

Budman · Jun 23, 2015

It would be helpful. But feel free to post your personal beliefs in any way you like.

JesusIsAll · Jun 23, 2015

Though a non-denominational Bible believing Christian, I have always found agreement with the old Baptist charter, have stated before that, if somebody held a gun to my head that I had to pick a denomination, I'd stand with the Baptists. (Well, except for some individual churches here and there, in which case just blow my brains out!) But I believe these things, could not put together a better enumeration of my own, first two paragraphs a little history,

When the original charter of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary was adopted in 1858, it contained the following statement which continues as a part of the “fundamental laws.”

Every professor of the institution shall be a member of a regular Baptist church; and all persons accepting professorships in this seminary shall be considered, by such acceptance, as engaging to teach in accordance with, and not contrary to, the Abstract of Principles hereinafter laid down, a departure from which principles on his part shall be considered grounds for his resignation or removal by the Trustees, to wit:

I. The Scriptures
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and are the only sufficient, certain and authoritative rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience.

II. God
There is but one God, the Maker, Preserver and Ruler of all things, having in and of Himself, all perfections, and being infinite in them all; and to Him all creatures owe the highest love, reverence and obedience.

III. The Trinity
God is revealed to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit each with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence or being.

IV. Providence
God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.

V. Election
Election is God’s eternal choice of some persons unto everlasting life-not because of foreseen merit in them, but of His mere mercy in Christ-in consequence of which choice they are called, justified and glorified.

VI. The Fall of Man
God originally created Man in His own image, and free from sin; but, through the temptation of Satan, he transgressed the command of God, and fell from his original holiness and righteousness; whereby his posterity inherit a nature corrupt and wholly opposed to God and His law, are under condemnation, and as soon as they are capable of moral action, become actual transgressors.

VII. The Mediator
Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is the divinely appointed mediator between God and man. Having taken upon Himself human nature, yet without sin, He perfectly fulfilled the law; suffered and died upon the cross for the salvation of sinners. He was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended to His Father, at whose right hand He ever liveth to make intercession for His people. He is the only Mediator, the Prophet, Priest and King of the Church, and Sovereign of the Universe.

VIII. Regeneration
Regeneration is a change of heart, wrought by the Holy Spirit, who quickeneth the dead in trespasses and sins enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the Word of God, and renewing their whole nature, so that they love and practice holiness. It is a work of God’s free and special grace alone.

IX. Repentance
Repentance is an evangelical grace, wherein a person being by the Holy Spirit, made sensible of the manifold evil of his sin, humbleth himself for it, with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self-abhorrence, with a purpose and endeavor to walk before God so as to please Him in all things.

X. Faith
Saving faith is the belief, on God’s authority, of whatsoever is revealed in His Word concerning Christ; accepting and resting upon Him alone for justification and eternal life. It is wrought in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and is accompanied by all other saving graces, and leads to a life of holiness.

XI. Justification
Justification is God’s gracious and full acquittal of sinners, who believe in Christ, from all sin, through the satisfaction that Christ has made; not for anything wrought in them or done by them; but on account of the obedience and satisfaction of Christ, they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith.

XII. Sanctification
Those who have been regenerated are also sanctified by God’s word and Spirit dwelling in them. This sanctification is progressive through the supply of Divine strength, which all saints seek to obtain, pressing after a heavenly life in cordial obedience to all Christ’s commands.

XIII. Perseverance of the Saints
Those whom God hath accepted in the Beloved, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere to the end; and though they may fall through neglect and temptation, into sin, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, bring reproach on the Church, and temporal judgments on themselves, yet they shall be renewed again unto repentance, and be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

XIV. The Church
The Lord Jesus is the head of the Church, which is composed of all His true disciples, and in Him is invested supremely all power for its government. According to His commandment, Christians are to associate themselves into particular societies or churches; and to each of these churches He hath given needful authority for administering that order, discipline and worship which He hath appointed. The regular officers of a Church are Bishops or Elders, and Deacons.

XV. Baptism
Baptism is an ordinance of the Lord Jesus, obligatory upon every believer, wherein he is immersed in water in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, as a sign of his fellowship with the death and resurrection of Christ, of remission of sins, and of giving himself up to God, to live and walk in newness of life. It is prerequisite to church fellowship, and to participation in the Lord’s Supper.

XVI. The Lord’s Supper
The Lord’s Supper is an ordinance of Jesus Christ, to be administered with the elements of bread and wine, and to be observed by His churches till the end of the world. It is in no sense a sacrifice, but is designed to commemorate His death, to confirm the faith and other graces of Christians, and to be a bond, pledge and renewal of their communion with Him, and of their church fellowship.

XVII. The Lord’s Day
The Lord’s Day is a Christian institution for regular observance, and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion, both public and private, resting from worldly employments and amusements, works of necessity and mercy only excepted.

XVIII. Liberty of Conscience
God alone is Lord of the conscience; and He hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are in anything contrary to His word, or not contained in it. Civil magistrates being ordained of God, subjection in all lawful things commanded by them ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

XIX. The Resurrection
The bodies of men after death return to dust, but their spirits return immediately to God-the righteous to rest with Him; the wicked, to be reserved under darkness to the judgment. At the last day, the bodies of all the dead, both just and unjust, will be raised.

XX. The Judgment
God hath appointed a day, wherein He will judge the world by Jesus Christ, when every one shall receive according to his deeds; the wicked shall go into everlasting punishment; the righteous, into everlasting life.

Gr8grace · Jun 23, 2015

Budman said:

Everyone seems all over the place here regarding their beliefs. Maybe a thread stating what you believe will be helpful for future discourse. Let everyone know where you stand!

Please, no debating them here - this is simply for reference.

My beliefs regarding:

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world.

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way.

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination.

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical.

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false.

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general.

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed.

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed.

You and I are going to be on the same page.

tanach · Jun 23, 2015

I agree with most of your statements. I do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture. I hold to the Pre wrath rapture position. There are many Bible passages to support this. Also this Pre tribulation idea has only existed for about 180 years. None of the early church fathers of note advocated it, including those who either knew the apostles or other people who knew them.

crossnote · Jun 23, 2015

Budman said:

Everyone seems all over the place here regarding their beliefs. Maybe a thread stating what you believe will be helpful for future discourse. Let everyone know where you stand!

Please, no debating them here - this is simply for reference.

My beliefs regarding:

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world.

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way.

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination.

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical.

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false.

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general.

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed.

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed.

Close enough for me

MadParrotWoman · Jun 23, 2015

Budman said:

Everyone seems all over the place here regarding their beliefs. Maybe a thread stating what you believe will be helpful for future discourse. Let everyone know where you stand!

Please, no debating them here - this is simply for reference.

My beliefs regarding:

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world.

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way.

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination.

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical.

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false.

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general.

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed.

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed.

All of the above with the exception of:
The great flood which might or might not have been worldwide given what man understood about what was "worldwide" at that time.
Age of the earth which I'm undecided on but lean towards old earth.

purgedconscience · Jun 23, 2015

God: A Trinity or a Godhead. I personally shy away from saying God the Son because although I believe that Jesus has always been God, I'm not certain that He's always been the Son of God and I certainly don't like the phrase God the Son. In other words, I strongly consider what is known as Incarnational Sonship or that Jesus, although He was always God and although He might not have always been known by the name of Jesus which the angel Gabriel instructed Mary would be His name, very well may have become the Son of God at the time of His Incarnation. Adam himself was called a son of God and so are angels and Christians. I also don't believe, not even for a second, that Jesus was eternally begotten as the Nicene Creed seems to indicate. I believe that Jesus became the only begotten Son of God exactly when the Bible tells us He did and that was on the day in which He was raised from the dead. I'll be more than happy to offer several scriptures which document the same from both the Old and New Testaments.

Jesus: 100% Divine and 100% human or what is commonly called the God-man.

The Bible: God's inerrant Word, without contradiction, penned indeed by men who were under the Divine Inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth.

Salvation: Justified by faith in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, yet faith without works is definitely dead. In other words, if we truly possess saving faith, then it will totally affect the way that we live our lives. A mere profession or mere lip service isn't nearly enough. We'll know a tree by its fruit and not by what it merely professes to be. This is not to say that such change will all be immediate. There is a process of sanctification during which even those who truly belong to Christ or those who truly abide in the Vine will be purged or pruned or have certain aspects of their lives and personalities cut off that they might ultimately bear more fruit.

The church: The universal body of believers across the globe. What constitutes being a believer is a matter of great debate as we've seen even on this forum.

Eternal security: I definitely don't believe in OSAS, yet I believe that we can easily be secure in relation to our own salvation by merely abiding in the Vine. Nobody can pluck me out of my Father's hand, but I can willfully walk away from the Lord which I have no intention of ever doing. In that sense, I do believe that I'm eternally secure.

Unpardonable sin: Definitely related to the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, but, again, there are differing opinions in relation to exactly what that means. I basically understand it to mean attributing the workings of the Holy Spirit to Satan. I also believe that the sin of rejecting Jesus in unpardonable in the sense that the sinner has refused God's only means by which we can be pardoned from our sins.

The Mosaic Law: Too broad of a term. There are definitely many aspects of the Mosaic law which have been done away with in Christ and there are definitely aspects of the Mosaic law which have carried over into the New Testament. The epistles contain many commandments from the Old Testament which are given as instruction to New Testament saints.

Baptism: I'm assuming that you're referring to water baptism and unless one is somehow unable to partake in the same as the thief on the cross was I see no reason whatsoever why anybody would be opposed to the same apart from rebellion. This outward act of obedience signifies the burying of the old man that the new man might be raised up in newness of a life of obedience unto the One Whom they call Lord. Again, all the fuss against it sounds like nothing more and nothing less than rebellion to me.

The Great Flood: Worldwide for sure.

Evolution: Macro-evolution, as in what Darwin and others have taught and still do teach, is one of the biggest lies ever foisted upon mankind.

Age of the Earth: I'm definitely a young earth creationist or YEC.

Satan: A rebellious angel who led 1/3 of the angels in rebellion with him who still has access to the throne of God as the accuser of the brethren and who will eventually be cast down to this earth and out of the heavenly realm. When such occurs, the prophesied time, 3 1/2 years, of great tribulation will begin because Satan will basically go berserk because he knows that his time is short.

Hell: A place of eternal torment. Even the demons in the demoniac begged Jesus that He wouldn't torment them before the time. Hell is a place of eternal torment.

The Rapture: There's no such thing as a pre-tribulation rapture or catching away. Christ comes for His bride after the tribulation.

The Tribulation: 3 1/2 years long and not 7 years long and followed by a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ and His saints upon the earth and then by a new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness.

The Land of Israel: Promised to Abraham's seed. Most early Israelites never stepped foot within it because they weren't Abraham's seed in that they didn't follow Christ Who is Abraham's seed and the One Who was seeking to lead them. I do not believe that the vast majority of Israelites living within Israel are the true heirs of such a promise and the promise really has to do a lot more with a heavenly Jerusalem which will one day descend from heaven to this earth then it has to do with the natural physical land of Israel.

The Jewish People: No more special than any other people except that God initially gave His oracles to them and chose them to represent Him to the world. They failed miserably, time and time again, even as much of the church has, and both Jesus and John the Baptist clearly identified many Jews as not truly being Abraham's seed. In other words, nobody, whether Jew or Gentile, has any sort of covenantal agreement with God apart from Christ.

Dan58 · Jun 23, 2015

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. agree

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world. Agree

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit. agree

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way. agree

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination. agree

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical. And conditional

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death. The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the HS, only Christians can commit such an offense.

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross. I don't believe Jesus changed the law, we aren't under the curse of the law, but Jesus asked us to keep his commandments, which embrace the law.

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation. agree

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark. I don't believe the flood was global.

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false. agree

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years. I believe the earth is at least millions of years old.

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general. agree

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ. hell is just a reference to the grave, the opposite of paradise. The Lake of fire is permanent death, not eternal suffering.

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming. I believe will return once, there won't be any secret rapture.

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron. I think the tribulation period will be shortened and won't last the full 7 years.

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed. agree

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed. OT yes, but Jesus himself cursed the nation.

purgedconscience · Jun 23, 2015

By the way, I think that this thread was a great idea. It's important to know what others believe and this also can counter people being misrepresented by others in debates. In other words, this provides a place of reference so that we can know what type of believer we're actually talking to. I'd imagine that some people might amend their views over time and that would be interesting to watch.

mwc68 · Jun 23, 2015

purgedconscience said:

Aren't these subjects being covered in seperate threads?

atwhatcost · Jun 23, 2015

I believe it will be a very long time before any Philadelphia professional sports team contends for a title.

I believe summer has certainly started.

I believe in my hubby.

I believe I'll be getting a doozy of a migraine later today. (Migraines are determined by weather fronts and a sever storm is coming in.)

I believe doozy is a word despite what my spellchecker says.

I believe purple is prettier than yellow.

I believe Dad is getting worse.

I believe the Do Not Call Registry was a waste of time and effort.

I believe the next POTUS will be Jeb Bush.

And, if you're asking what I believe in Biblically, I believe this.

purgedconscience · Jun 23, 2015

mwc68 said:

Probably, but it's good to have a single point of reference as opposed to having to fish all over the place. As a newbie, I like this thread because different people keep painting others in an unfavorable light and this gives me the opportunity to find out what people actually believe in their own words. I'd be really interested to see if certain posters who seem to be maligned more than others state their actual beliefs.

purgedconscience · Jun 23, 2015

atwhatcost said:

You don't believe that Tebow will save the day?

Where's the nearest stone?

haha.

JesusLives · Jun 23, 2015

No time now but Blond will come back..... made this post to easily find the thread later.

Angela53510 · Jun 23, 2015

I was in agreement till I got to the eschatological stuff.

No rapture

Tribulation -70 AD ??

Land of Israel - That covenant over and broken

Jewish People - No Plan B for the Jews

ember · Jun 23, 2015

God: A trinity. The Godhead exists in three persons - one in purpose, co-equal, and in perfect harmony with each other. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. check

Jesus: Fully man and fully God. The eternal and uncreated Son. Died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for the sins of the entire world. check

The Bible: God's inerrant word. Written by men through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit. check

Salvation: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, to God alone be the glory. It is God's gift that cannot be earned or kept by the works of man in any way. check

The Church: The combined body of believers and not one specific denomination. check

Eternal Security: I believe this is Biblical. check

Unpardonable Sin: The only unpardonable sin is rejection of salvation through Christ. Any one can be saved up to the moment of death. no check...believe that would be attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil

The Mosaic Law: Christians are not under Law. It's only purpose is to prove our inability to keep it, and thus point mankind to the cross. check

Baptism: An outward sign of internal conviction. Symbolizes the death and burial of self, and resurrection to our new life in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation. check

The Great Flood: Worldwide. The only survivors being Noah, his family, and the animals taken aboard the Ark. check

Evolution: Micro-evolution (adaptive changes within a kind) is true. Macro-evolution (one kind changing into an entirely different kind) is false. check

Age of the Earth: Less than ten thousand years. no check..I lean towards old earth

Satan: An actual living being. A former angel, who, through the sin of pride, rebelled against his Creator and was cast out of heaven. He, and the angels who rebelled with him, are the adversaries of believers specifically, and mankind in general. check

Hell: Eternal suffering for all inhabitants who rejected God's gift of salvation through Christ. check

The Rapture: I believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. An entirely separate event from Christ's second coming. no check...no pre-trib

The Tribulation: I believe in a literal seven year tribulation period, when God pours His wrath out upon rebellious mankind, followed by a literal one thousand year millennial period when Christ rules on earth with a rod of iron. not sure

The Land of Israel: Given to the Jewish people as an eternal covenant between God and Abraham's seed. check

The Jewish People: I believe God's promise that those who curse them shall be cursed, and those who bless them shall be blessed. check

dcontroversal · Jun 23, 2015

Budman said:

I agree with everything you said except a little different on three of the above.....

1. Concerning the churches.....individual autonomous bodies separate for each other but with equal authority under Christ and one body of believers in heaven.

2. Rapture...is the body presence of Christ and our gathering together, seizing control of all earthly kingdoms, and pouring out wrath upon the lost as one event post tribulation/pre-wrath at the 7th trump of Revelation...was, IS, IS TO COME<---come, coming from parousia and it translated coming.....but means body presence.....

3. Tribulation period is 1260 days, 3.5 years or 42 months and the 1st half of the 7 years were offered in Christ to Israel during his earthly ministry...they rejected and now must endure the last half.

4. On the age of the earth.....there does seem to be scriptures that can pint to both beliefs and have not been fully persuaded either way as of yet...but doesn't really matter to me or affect my salvation.

Other than that I pretty much line up with everything you said....

PoetMary · Jun 23, 2015

My beliefs are summarized in the Nicene Creed:

I believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things, seen and unseen.

I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God
Light from Light
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
I believe in one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

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