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I'm not against revivals. But to me, you don't put up a sign stating "Revival Here in Two Weeks!!", neither should we go running off to the nearest venue claiming that 'God's fire has fallen, come see'.
Revival is a sovereign work of God, spurred on by God's Spirit and God's Word alone, working conviction and repentance of heart, mind and soul turning people back to His Word, His Son, spreading the GOSPEL and godly living.

All I see once again is dog and pony shows...sorry.
 

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Yeah, and they were shouting "Crucify Him" the next week. Some revival.
In fact the people who shouted 'crucify Him' were not the Galileans who had flocked to hear Him. It occurred when the Galileans were in their camps around Jerusalem having their morning meal. Those who gathered in the narrow streets of Jerusalem before the courts of justice were zealots and their supporters who wanted to witness the trial of one of their leaders Barabbas, and were hoping to obtain the release of one of their number according to the custom. It was these who were easily incited to call for the crucifixion of the pacifist Jesus while one of their own was released.

Those same Galileans who were encamped around Jerusalem would form the nucleus of the early church. It was some revival that spread around the world.
 
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Well, there never HAS been a "revival". Not even from the days of Jesus. I would call these things, more "revivals of our own hearts." Why? Because we have often let our hearts go almost entirely dead.
I suggest you Google the Welsh Revival and the Hebrides revival. Not to say the Great Awakening.
 
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I suggest you Google the Welsh Revival and the Hebrides revival. Not to say the Great Awakening.
Nope. Just a manmade name they tacked onto a meeting. Go back through your Bible. God never had a "revival", and not a one of the Apostles or early church disciples ever held a "revival".
 

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In fact the people who shouted 'crucify Him' were not the Galileans who had flocked to hear Him. It occurred when the Galileans were in their camps around Jerusalem having their morning meal. Those who gathered in the narrow streets of Jerusalem before the courts of justice were zealots and their supporters who wanted to witness the trial of one of their leaders Barabbas, and were hoping to obtain the release of one of their number according to the custom. It was these who were easily incited to call for the crucifixion of the pacifist Jesus while one of their own was released.

Those same Galileans who were encamped around Jerusalem would form the nucleus of the early church. It was some revival that spread around the world.
The Galileans adhered to Him after a few years of learning from Him. Those crying 'Hosanna' were in Jerusalem and typifies the 'revivalist' crowd I was speaking of.
 
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But Willie spoke of a revival 10 days before...different revival.
I believe you will find Willie pretty clearly stated there never HAS been a "Revival" in 2,000 years of Christianity...... just meetings, during which the Spirit made His presence known more than usual.
 

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I believe you will find Willie pretty clearly stated there never HAS been a "Revival" in 2,000 years of Christianity...... just meetings, during which the Spirit made His presence known more than usual.
My boo boo, it was popeye.

To say never has there been revivals is just playing with documented history.
 
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This is a blattant lie.

I packed up my family,lost nearly all my possession ,just to get my children there. Before we moved,the kids would not worship or participate ,as if they were in their own private boycott.

At the revival,they all got radically saved,water baptised,attended every youth activity,and today,all but 1 are serving the Lord,with their hearts permanently centered on Jesus,knowing his power and wonderful presesnce.

So many got saved. It took my breath away,night after night,as Steve gave the alter call,they would RUN to the alter and pour their hearts out to God. There were not even enough workers to minister to the babes in the following moments of their new conversions.

I saw a demon infested witch swoop onto Steve one night. Chanting and spewing curses at him. Steve listened to her then very camly told her "honney,that don't work in this place". Steve reached out to her forehead to touch her,and said "get her jesus"..she went flying backwards before he even touched her. THE VERY NEXT NIGHT,my friend said "you know who that girl is?".....that is the witch".

I got to see her saved,set free,completely transformed in her countenence.

I will never,ever forget the feast from heaven....THE BROWNSVILLE REVIVAL
Back when that was going on, I heard of many, many going down there to get in on the action. Nothing ever changed in them when they returned.

You're the first story I've heard when there was a true change. To most it was just another show.

I was saved through the musical Jesus Christ Superstar. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a revival. The writer never did become saved. God uses whatever means he wants to gather his people. So, no, I'm not saying nothing happened there, but it sure seemed to miss on "a revival" part way too often.

All other revivals changed a whole area. (Scotland, San Francisco, and I have no idea how far the Jesus People movement traveled, but I've met people from all parts of America who became saved in a life changing way because of it.) Brownsville, mostly didn't. Neither did Jesus Christ Superstar.

Not a lie. Just observations.
 

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Nope. Just a manmade name they tacked onto a meeting. Go back through your Bible. God never had a "revival", and not a one of the Apostles or early church disciples ever held a "revival".
Really?...

Jonah 3:4-10 (KJV)
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 
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I can say in the beginning of the revival, it was real. I went with a church group of men from Ky, & we stayed two days. Lives were genuinely changed. But as popeye pointed out, it went downhill.

If I remember correctly, the church prayed for revival for two years straight before anything happened. God answered prayer, & people were getting saved all over the place. After a few years, something else happened.

IMO, what happened was the same things that happen in most revival services..... God was done, but the people didn't want it to end. So they tried to keep the services going by themselves, & the rest is history.

I saw for myself what happened to the pastor, for he spoke at one of our campmeetings a few years later, & it wasn't much......mostly talking about what happened at Brownsville to excite the people.

The point is, people hear a man preaching, & the next thing you know, he's a superstar, a prophet among men, etc., as if the manifestations of the Holy Spirit was because of him. The Apostle Paul shook off a viper into the fire, & immediately he went from being a guilty criminal to being elevated to a god. In that passage, God performed a real miracle for the people, & they ignorantly gave a man glory for it. The same thing happened again in Acts 14 to Paul & Barnabas.


This, I believe, is what happened at Brownsville.

Give the preacher your undivided attention, give God the reverence & honor due His name, & lift up & praise the name of Jesus, for without Him nothing could be accomplished.


 

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Nope. Just a manmade name they tacked onto a meeting. Go back through your Bible. God never had a "revival", and not a one of the Apostles or early church disciples ever held a "revival".
Sorry you are being absurd. The Welsh Revival and the Hebrides Revival were not 'meetings'. They were remarkable stirrings of God which lasted for a considerable time in many places and altered whole communities. Jesus certainly had a continual 'revival' and what about Pentecost and what followed, to say nothing of Paul's ministry.
 

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The Galileans adhered to Him after a few years of learning from Him. Those crying 'Hosanna' were in Jerusalem and typifies the 'revivalist' crowd I was speaking of.
But those gathered at dawn in the centre of Jerusalem were not the crowds who cried Hosanna. Those crowds were still awaking around the outskirts of Jerusalem ready for the later festivities
 

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On December 31st 1903 and January 1st 1904, Joseph Jenkins a minister in New Quay Cardiganshire, who was undoubtedly a key man in the Revival, held a "Deeper Spiritual Life Convention". Joseph had been seeking an enduement of power, and shared the testimony of his experience of the Holy Spirit engulfing him as a flame of fire. This was to impact his Church.

On February 14th, in a Sunday service at his Chapel, a young woman named Florrie Evans stood to her feet and publicly confessed "I love the Lord Jesus with all my heart". As she spoke these words the Holy Spirit seemed to fall on the meeting. Many say this was the real
beginning of the Revival. A move of God took place in that Church, as after-church meetings were held to seek the Lord's presence and empowerment, and God began baptising - initially young people, mainly girls and women in their teens and early twenties - with the Holy Spirit, and the fire quickly spread to other young people in the Cardiganshire area.

In September of the same year, Forward Movement Evangelist Seth Joshua was addressing a Convention which included these Spirit-filled young people, at Blaenanerch, just 5 miles north of Cardigan. Seth himself had been praying for years that God would raise up a young man from the coal pits to revive the churches - little did he know that on Thursday September 29th 1904 his prayer was to be answered in a life changing experience for one 26 year old student, Evan Roberts.

Evan Roberts

During the spring of 1904 a young Welshman named Evan Roberts was repeatedly awakened at 1:00 a.m. He met with God in prayer until 5:00 a.m.

Evan Roberts was born in 1878, in Loughor near Swansea, and left school at 11 to go and work down in the coalmine with his father until his early 20's, when he became a blacksmith's apprentice with his uncle in nearby Pontarddulais.

Evan had a thirst for spiritual things from an early age. The story is often told of how he would take his Bible down the mine to read it during rest periods. One day there was an explosion that took the lives of five of his fellow workers. He narrowly escaped death, but the flames scorched the pages of the Bible he was reading. Later, when the revival came, pictures of Evan Roberts' scorched Bible were sent around the world - epitomizing the fire that had fallen on Wales.

For years, Evan had been a faithful member of Moriah Calvinistic Methodist Chapel at Loughor. Having been converted as a young teenager, he was a Sunday School Superintendent, a conscientious reader of the main theological works of his day, and more than that, he had been praying for revival for over 11 years, and he continued

to pray regularly that God would again visit Wales, in Revival Power. Determined to do his part, he felt compelled to go into the Calvinistic Methodist Ministry, and on September 13th 1904, he became a pupil of the Newcastle Emlyn Grammar School to prepare for Trefecca Theological College.

It was only two and a half weeks after arriving that he found himself at Blaenanerch - and at a crossroads in his spiritual experience. He received a mighty Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which would lead him back to the young people of his own church Moriah, Loughor. On his return to Loughor, he went to the prayer meeting, and asked those who were seeking for a deeper spiritual life to stay behind. He shared with those who stayed what God was doing in New Quay, and what had happened to him. Prophesying that Revival would break out in two weeks, he gave them keys for receiving the Holy Spirit:-

(1) Confess all known sin to God, receiving forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

(2) Remove anything from your life that you are in doubt or feel unsure about.

(3) Be totally yielded and obedient to the Holy Spirit.

(4) Publicly confess the Lord Jesus Christ.

Slowly and quietly, Evan spoke of the deep things of God and Christ, the hours passing quite unobserved, while tears coursed uninterruptedly over the cheeks of his listeners. People passing by the church commented freely and wonderingly upon the unusual spectacle of lights burning in full blaze at such an hour.

Inside the building strange things were happening. Young men and women who had never been known to speak openly of any experience of saving grace stood and testified fearlessly. Others were bowed in prayer. Some sang the hymns of Zion. Tears, sobs, and songs of praise were intermingled, continuing until near midnight. Planning to meet the following evening, the happy throng dispersed in all directions. The next day the event was the talk of the village, and that evening, the chapel was packed with people, many coming out of curiosity. Revival broke out in Loughor, and within two weeks the Welsh Revival was national news! Evan Roberts and Loughor, from this point, became the main focus of the Revival, although many others were involved.

When it became known that some of the outstanding characters of the neighbourhood had been converted after withstanding gospel appeals of eminent preachers for a lifetime, and that these were declaring newfound joy and faith without shame or fear, the excitement became tense. Rumours sped far and wide.

Down in the bowels of the earth, miners not only discussed the services, but sang boisterously the grand old, almost forgotten hymns, learned in their childhood.

This was a Revival with youth on fire - young men, yes and especially young women. It was the prophecy of Joel chapter 2 being fulfilled. After the first stirrings at New Quay, young women continued to play a vital role in the Revival - Florrie Evans went on a team to North Wales with her friend Maud - others used their voices as instruments of God's message, and amongst the most well known was Annie Davies of Maesteg who travelled with Evan Roberts and his team.

Revival teams, consisting of young people, mostly Spirit-filled young women, led by such men as Joseph Jenkins the minister at New Quay, Forward Movement Evangelist Seth Joshua, Sydney Evans who was Evan Roberts' friend at College, and Evan Roberts himself, travelled throughout Wales with their Spirit-led teams, conducting evangelistic revival meetings.

Meetings went on for many hours - often for more than 10 without a break. People lost all sense of time and churches were so full that crowds gathered outside until they could somehow squeeze their way in.

The meetings broke with the conventional and bypassed the traditional - often the ministers just sat down, unable to preach or even to understand the phenomena that took over their usually sedate churches and chapels - and the mighty move of God that impacted them was a manifestation of love and power which completely transformed thousands of lives. The Revival rapidly spread all over Wales, as churches "caught the fire" and the Spirit moved throughout the land, in great power. News of dramatic conversions, confession of sin, and songs of joy spread rapidly.

Wherever Evan Roberts went the Holy Spirit brought deep conviction of sin and a new spiritual dimension into the lives of formerly cold churchgoers. Evan was not an expository preacher and his method was prayer and exhortation, leading to a moving of the Holy Spirit bringing deep conviction.

In one of the valley communities, young men and women walked in procession through the streets, singing hymns and visiting public houses to invite those inside to come to the revival. Many of the places were completely deserted and others had their trade depleted.

In one such drinking place there was one solitary customer sitting gloomily alone. Suddenly the evening air was rent with the jubilant voices of happy songsters, just outside the door. So infuriated were the man and woman in charge at the audacity of these zealous youths that they picked up some of the empty ale-pots and flung them recklessly at the happy youngsters. Disgusted with the conduct of his host and hostess, the solitary patron rose from his seat, joined the enthusiastic processionists, then went with them to the church, where he surrendered to Christ!

There was a new excitement about eternal things. Family devotions and public prayer meetings were started and continued regularly for years. The sales of Bibles increased to such a degree that the shops sold their entire stocks. Everywhere there was a new spirit of prayer and an urgency to preach the Gospel.

The effects of the Revival were not confined to Wales. Reports were distributed internationally in newspaper and magazine reports and the Holy Spirit repeated what He had done in Wales from America to Australia. Evan Roberts prayed for 100,000 converts, and it is estimated that there were, in fact, well over 150,000.

The Effects of the Revival

As revival fire spread across Wales in late 1904 and early 1905, although no official records were kept of the actual number converted, 150,000 is considered a very conservative estimate, during the first six months! People's lives were transformed by the thousands. This was indeed, a sovereign move of God's Holy Spirit!

Whole communities were turned upside down, and were radically changed from depravity to glorious goodness. The crime rate dropped, often to nothing. The police force reported that they had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings, while magistrates turned up at courts to discover no cases to try. The alcohol trade was decimated, as people were caught up more by what happened in the local chapels than the local public houses and bars. Families experienced amazing renewal, where the money earning husband and father, the bread winner, had wasted away the income and sowed discord, but now under the moving power of the Holy Spirit, following the conversion to be a follower of Jesus Christ, he not only provided correctly for family needs, but was now with the family, rather than wasting his time, and wages, in the public houses of the village or town. Souls were saved, individual lives were changed and Society itself was changed. Countless numbers were converted to Christ.

There are men and women still in churches today whose parents or grandparents' testimonies were that they were converted in the Revival in 1904 or 1905. Not only were individual lives changed by the power of the Holy Spirit, but whole communities were changed, indeed society itself was changed. Wales again was a God-fearing

nation! Public houses were now almost empty. Men and women who used to waste their money getting drunk were saving it, giving it to help their churches, buying clothes and food for their families. And not only drunkenness, but stealing and other offences grew less and less, so that often a magistrate came to court, and found there were no cases for him.

Men whose language had been filthy before, learnt to talk purely. It is related that not only did the colliers put in a better day's work, but also that the pit ponies were so used to being cursed and sworn at, that they just couldn't understand orders being given in kind, clean words! Yet, still the work output increased. The dark tunnels underground in the mines echoed with the sounds of prayer and hymns, instead of oaths and nasty jokes and gossip.

People who had been careless about paying their bills, or paying back money they had borrowed, paid up all they owed. People who had fallen out became friends again.
 
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For those who do not believe revival preaching is biblical, on the day of pentecoste that is what Peter preached, and their number grew to 3,000.

What is odd is those who would talk about gifts so much do not like repentance and moves of God which are about behaviour, walking righteously with others and seeing God making people right with Him and each other.
 

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The Hebrides Revival


How did this gracious movement begin? In 1949, the local presbytery issued a proclamation to be read on a certain Sunday in all the Free Churches on the Island of Lewis. This proclamation called the people to consider the "low state of vital religion . . . throughout the land . . . and the present dispensation of Divine displeasure . . . due to growing carelessness toward public worship . . . and the growing influence of the spirit of pleasure which has taken growing hold of the younger generation."

They called on the churches to "take these matters to heart and to make serious inquiry what must be the end if there be no repentance. We call upon every individual as before God to examine his or her life in light of that responsibility which attends to us all and that happily in divine mercy we may be visited with a spirit of repentance and turn again to the Lord whom we have so grieved."

Two praying sisters

I am not prepared to say what effect the reading of this declaration had upon the ministers or people of the island in general, but I do know that in the parish of Barvas a number of men and women took it to heart, especially two old women. I am ashamed to think of it, two sisters, one eighty-two and one eight-four, the latter blind. These two women developed a great heart concern for God to do something in the parish and gave themselves to waiting upon God in their little cottage.

One night God gave one of the sisters a vision. Now, we have got to understand that in revival remarkable things happen. It is supernatural; you are not moving on human levels; you are moving in divine places. In the vision, she saw the churches crowded with young people and she told her sister, "I believe revival is coming to the parish."

Peggy Smith was 84 years old and blind. Her sister Christine, 2 years younger, was almost doubled-up with arthritis. Yet, in the early hours of a winter's morning in 1949, in their little cottage near Barvas village on the Isle of Lewis in the Scottish Hebrides, they were to be found in earnest prayer. That morning, God visited them in a special way, giving them an unshakeable assurance that the revival they and others had been praying about for months, was near. Peggy, speaking in Gaelic (for they could not speak English) told her sister, "This is what God has promised: 'I will pour water upon him that is thirsty and floods upon the dry ground', and we are dealing with a covenant-keeping God".

Some months previously, Peggy had received a dream from God in which she was shown that revival was coming and the church would be crowded again with young people. At the time, that seemed most unlikely. There had been a definite movement of the Spirit of God just before World War 2, but the war had taken its toll. By 1949, the younger generation was drifting away from God.

After her dream, Peggy sent for her minister, James Murray MacKay, and told him what she believed was a revelation from God. She asked him to call the church leaders to prayer. This man of God responded, and for months he and others met to do business with God 3 nights a week in real prayer. The minister's wife also had a dream in which she saw the church filled with people who were obviously concerned about their souls; and a stranger was in the pulpit.

Revival is coming

The very same day that God gave the two elderly sisters the assurance about the coming revival, there had also been a group praying with the Rev. MacKay at about 10 PM in a barn in Barvas (about 12 miles away from Stornoway). While kneeling on the straw they pleaded with Almighty God. A young deacon from the Free Church stood up and read Ps. 24: "Who may ascend the hill of the LORD? Who may stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to an idol or swear by what is false" (ps 24:3,4). He read the passage again and then challenged the praying group, "Brethren, we have been praying for weeks waiting on God, but I would like to ask now, are your hands clean? Are your hearts pure?" As they continued to wait before God, His awesome presence swept into the barn. At 4 AM, they (in the words of Duncan Campbell) "moved out of the realm of the common and the natural into the sphere of the super-natural, and that is revival".

It was Duncan Campbell of the Faith Mission that Rev. MacKay felt led to invite to Barvas for special meetings. The leading was confirmed by Peggy Smith. She told him that "one night, in a vision, the Lord had revealed to her not only that revival was coming, but also the identity of the instrument He had chosen to use: Duncan Campbell".

At first, Duncan Campbell refused the immediate invitation and put it in his diary for the following year. When the two praying sisters heard this, they simply said, "This is what man has said. God said he was coming, and he will be here within the fortnight". And sure enough, he was!

Although there was a great spirit of expectancy at the first meeting, and although there was a freedom in the Spirit, nothing very remarkable happened. After the meeting, it was suggested that about 30 of them retire in a nearby cottage to spend the night in prayer.

God begins to move

Duncan Campbell described what happened, "God was beginning to move; the heavens were opening. We were there on our faces before God. At 3 AM, God swept in! About a dozen men and women lay on the floor, speechless. Something had happened. We knew that the forces of darkness were going to be driven back, and men were going to be delivered. We left the cottage at 3 AM to discover men and women seeking God. They walked on a country road and found 3 men on their faces, crying to God for mercy. There was a light in every home; no-one seemed to think of sleep."

When Duncan and his friends gathered at the church later in the morning, the place was crowded. A stream of buses came from every part of the Island, yet no-one could discover who had told them to come. A butcher in his van brought 7 men from a distance of 17 miles. All 7 were gloriously converted. Now the revival was really under way. The Spirit of God was at work. All over the church, men and women were crying for mercy. That meeting went on until 4 AM the following morning.

Even then, Duncan Campbell was unable to go to bed. As he was leaving the church, a messenger summoned him to go to the local police station. They were in great spiritual distress; under the still, star-lit sky, he found men and women on the road, others by the side of a cottage and some behind a peat stack, all crying to God for mercy. The revival had come.

That went on for 5 weeks with services from early morning till late at night or early in the morning. Then it spread to the neighbouring parishes. What had happened in Barvas was repeated over and over again. The sacred presence of God was everywhere. Sinners found themselves unable to escape it.
Before the revival, Stornoway had one of the highest drinking rates in Scotland, and 'bothans', illegal and unlicensed drinking places, flourished. After the revival, one publican mourned, "The drink trade on the Island is ruined."

Continued blessings

Although the peak of the revival was between 1949 and 1952, the blessing continued to flow for many years. Even in 1957, God again manifested His power, this time, to the great delight of Duncan Campbell, it was on the Island of North Uist. It was a recognised fact that Uist had never known revival. Local ministers testified that the move in Uist was even greater than the previous move in Lewis. Again, the move of the Spirit of God was carried on by believing prayer and through faithful preaching of the Word of God. There was, however, an unusual note, for God chose as His main instrument in Uist, 4 sister pilgrims of the faith mission. Meetings were crowded and night after night, people were found crying to God for salvation.

Many young men from the Hebridian revival heard the call of God and entered the ministry. Others answered the call to the mission field.








 

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And what happened in the early days of the apostles was happening now in the parish of Barvas.

Over 100 young people were at the dance in the parish hall and they weren't thinking of God or eternity. God was not in all of their thoughts. They were there to have a good night when suddenly the power of God fell upon the dance. The music ceased and in a matter of minutes, the hall was empty. They fled from the hall as a man fleeing from a plague. And they made for the church. They are now standing outside. Oh, yes - they saw lights in the church. That was a house of God and they were going to it and they went. Men and women who had gone to bed rose, dressed, and made for the church. Nothing in the way of publicity... But God took the situation in hand - oh, He became His own publicity agent. A hunger and a thirst gripped the people. 600 of them now are at the church standing outside... And then the doors were opened and the congregation flocked back into the church.

Now the church is crowded--a church to seat over 800 is now packed to capacity. It is now going on towards midnight. I managed to make my way through the crowd along the aisle toward the pulpit. I found a young woman, a teacher in the grammar school, lying prostrate on the floor of the pulpit praying, "Oh, God, is there mercy for me? Oh, God, is there mercy for me? " She was one of those at the dance. But she is now lying on the floor of the pulpit crying to God for mercy.
 

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But those gathered at dawn in the centre of Jerusalem were not the crowds who cried Hosanna. Those crowds were still awaking around the outskirts of Jerusalem ready for the later festivities
I've heard this sort of explanation before. What is your source?
 

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What is the lasting effect? I recall those who spoke of revivals in the last century as meeting that went on for weeks or months with folks getting saved. Inns and taverns closing and never reopening because the evangelist preached with great authority from Gods word and folks were changed. They got saved and their lives were forever changed. Churches were filled and whole communities were blessed.

Prosperity in the ministry is not measured by numbers but by lives changed. Men like D. L. Moody, Bob Jones, Billy Sunday and others were broken for lost souls, pleading with God to see souls saved.

For the cause of Christ
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The only thing that is real to me is how the Holy Spirit has ministered to me - what has been done elsewhere I'm afraid to touch. We can only judge the Word of truth or the Word of error. But we should not judge the movements of the Holy Spirit upon people or their reactions. Whether it is through Moody, or through a strange ( to our eyes and reason) manifestation.

If a person or group of people feel that they have received a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon them and is refreshed by that - who are we to judge? I like to hear testimonies - it helps me keep an open and expectant heart.