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"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death."
First, this is NOT in the Bible. Only the first part of the Hail Mary is in the Bible. In Luke 1. So by praying this over and over, you are actually not praying the Bible.
Second, if this is supposed to be Mary's prayer, is she not saying "us sinners?" Would that not include Mary, herself?
Third, which is just my own speculation. Even if you grant that Mary was "assumed into heaven" (which I do not!) she is just a human being, not God. So she really probably can't concentrate on more than one or two things at the same time. Yet, she has millions upon millions of Catholics praying to her for a multitude of requests, which only God can answer. Even if she takes these requests to Jesus, as I understand that is the formula, how can she possibly repeat all these millions of requests? She is not God, not omnipresent, omniscient nor omnipotent.
Our prayers need to be focused on God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is the only one who can answer prayers. Not Mary and not dead so-called "saints."
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Tim. 2:5
First, this is NOT in the Bible. Only the first part of the Hail Mary is in the Bible. In Luke 1. So by praying this over and over, you are actually not praying the Bible.
Second, if this is supposed to be Mary's prayer, is she not saying "us sinners?" Would that not include Mary, herself?
Third, which is just my own speculation. Even if you grant that Mary was "assumed into heaven" (which I do not!) she is just a human being, not God. So she really probably can't concentrate on more than one or two things at the same time. Yet, she has millions upon millions of Catholics praying to her for a multitude of requests, which only God can answer. Even if she takes these requests to Jesus, as I understand that is the formula, how can she possibly repeat all these millions of requests? She is not God, not omnipresent, omniscient nor omnipotent.
Our prayers need to be focused on God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is the only one who can answer prayers. Not Mary and not dead so-called "saints."
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Tim. 2:5
We only pray to and serve God only!
We do not pray to Mary and we do not serve Mary likes the Catholics do.
Like i have asked the Catholics so many times, show me where in the Bible is the Hail Mary prayer in its entirety.
Its not in the Bible. The Hail Mary was made by pulling words out of different verses and making up the Hail Mary.
Any fool and Idiot can pull words out of the Bible and make up anything they want to say and say its from God.
We do not pray to Mary and we do not serve Mary likes the Catholics do.
Like i have asked the Catholics so many times, show me where in the Bible is the Hail Mary prayer in its entirety.
Its not in the Bible. The Hail Mary was made by pulling words out of different verses and making up the Hail Mary.
Any fool and Idiot can pull words out of the Bible and make up anything they want to say and say its from God.
Believing the Hail Mary prayer is from God is what makes you Catholics a fool.
If you want respect you need to give respect. You cannot go around telling people its their opinion when they show you the Truth in the Scriptures. You disrespect people when you do this. As I see it you are just as guilty for disrespecting people mwc68.
If you want respect you need to give respect. You cannot go around telling people its their opinion when they show you the Truth in the Scriptures. You disrespect people when you do this. As I see it you are just as guilty for disrespecting people mwc68.
Please quote where you find the word "Rapture" in the Bible. I can go into the Greek to show why 1 Thess. 4:17 is NOT that passage if you want.
Hail Mary is not in the Bible, but neither is the so-called "rapture." So I guess more than one is slightly guilty of making things up that are not from God.
Hail Mary is not in the Bible, but neither is the so-called "rapture." So I guess more than one is slightly guilty of making things up that are not from God.
In my 'witnessing', as just an unworthy servant of CHRIST, able to 'testify' what i have learn and 'know them by their fruit', is that, 'Religiously' the Protestant stand out mostly towards Biblical by slightly mixing and matching the Old and the New Covenant/Testament in service. The other more towards 'a cult'.
In 'witnessing' the Gospel the Protestant are clever preachers, but are poor teacher to continue the 'complete' Word/Teaching of CHRIST to those who have come in and in charitable deeds they give 'sparingly'. But the other draw people by their living examples and religiousness and vast charities.
In character and behavior of believers, both are becoming equally similar, especially the 'mainline' Protestant and those who have separated from them, churches.
i pray GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST help you all to 'turn back' from 'self' deceptions of the flesh's passions and desires, that has 'adulterated' GOD's Biblical in context sound doctrine Covenant Christianity.
Those who 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit' and 'their fruit also abide' according to the 'context spiritual knowledge' of the New and Old Covenant/testament accordingly, able to 'know all of them by their fruit'.
No need to waste time in excuses and defense of what has turned to bad fruit, in order to 'make up' to seem right. But rather 'repent'.
As it is written;
"HE has no favorites (among men)."
'HE has no regards to men."
In 'witnessing' the Gospel the Protestant are clever preachers, but are poor teacher to continue the 'complete' Word/Teaching of CHRIST to those who have come in and in charitable deeds they give 'sparingly'. But the other draw people by their living examples and religiousness and vast charities.
In character and behavior of believers, both are becoming equally similar, especially the 'mainline' Protestant and those who have separated from them, churches.
i pray GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST help you all to 'turn back' from 'self' deceptions of the flesh's passions and desires, that has 'adulterated' GOD's Biblical in context sound doctrine Covenant Christianity.
Those who 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit' and 'their fruit also abide' according to the 'context spiritual knowledge' of the New and Old Covenant/testament accordingly, able to 'know all of them by their fruit'.
No need to waste time in excuses and defense of what has turned to bad fruit, in order to 'make up' to seem right. But rather 'repent'.
As it is written;
"HE has no favorites (among men)."
'HE has no regards to men."
SINCE WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PRAY ONLY MEMORIZED PRAYERS THAT ARE IN THE BIBLE?
Matthew 6:9-15 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us this day our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A MINDLESS MEMORIZED PRAYER! Christ meant it to be an Outline or Model for all prayer, not something that was to be repeated verbatim.
James 5:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Is anyone among you sick? He should call for the elders of the church, and they should pray over him after anointing him with olive oil in the name of the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will restore him to health; if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The urgent request of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.
Ephesians 6:18-19 (GW)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Pray in the Spirit in every situation. Use every kind of prayer and request there is. For the same reason be alert. Use every kind of effort and make every kind of request for all of God's people.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Also pray that God will give me the right words to say. Then I will speak boldly when I reveal the mystery of the Good News.
NOW, how many here actually pray on Sunday Mornings for their Pastor to be given the RIGHT WORDS TO SAY? I do, and I have been doing it for YEARS.
1 Thessalonians 5:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] pray without ceasing,
NOW, how is that possible? GOD considers intimate conversations with HIM in your mind, to be a form of prayer.
1 John 5:14-15 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.
A born again Christian does not make requests of GOD for selfish things or reasons. HE or SHE always strives to make all of one's requests, in line with HIS will.
So does HE give us an instructions about how NOT TO PRAY? He sure does.
Matthew 6:5-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
Does anyone here know what the Greek Word for "vain repetitions" is? How about I take it a step further and ask if anyone knows the origin of that Greek word - [FONT=Gentium !important]battalogeô ?[/FONT]
Many will recognize that [FONT=Gentium !important]logeô[/FONT] is a Greek reference to "words" or "speach"; but where does the BATTA part come from. It actually was a word used in the Greek Mystery Religions, such as the Worship of Zeus. The pagan priests taught their worshipers to pray in a private prayer language that only the gods understood, by: "Saying Batta, Batta, Batta, over and over again as fast as they could, and the gods would turn it into a private prayer language that only they understood." I am sorry if that rubs some of you the wrong way, but that is the truth. That practice predates the Church by at least 400 years. Plato, himself, referred to the experience as "Divine Ecstasy, it was as if I linked up with the gods."
Therefore what Jesus was saying is do not pray in babbling words, like the heathen or pagans do.
Matthew 6:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters, since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.
So do the pagans of today still use this mindless, babbling, supposed language of the gods? The Mormons do, the Buddhists do, the Hindus do, the Muslims do, some of the Eskimos do, and probably many others. It is natural phenomena, not "Divine Ecstasy" like Plato thought:
The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”
Matthew 6:9-15 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us this day our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A MINDLESS MEMORIZED PRAYER! Christ meant it to be an Outline or Model for all prayer, not something that was to be repeated verbatim.
James 5:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Is anyone among you sick? He should call for the elders of the church, and they should pray over him after anointing him with olive oil in the name of the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will restore him to health; if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The urgent request of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.
Ephesians 6:18-19 (GW)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Pray in the Spirit in every situation. Use every kind of prayer and request there is. For the same reason be alert. Use every kind of effort and make every kind of request for all of God's people.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Also pray that God will give me the right words to say. Then I will speak boldly when I reveal the mystery of the Good News.
NOW, how many here actually pray on Sunday Mornings for their Pastor to be given the RIGHT WORDS TO SAY? I do, and I have been doing it for YEARS.
1 Thessalonians 5:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] pray without ceasing,
NOW, how is that possible? GOD considers intimate conversations with HIM in your mind, to be a form of prayer.
1 John 5:14-15 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.
A born again Christian does not make requests of GOD for selfish things or reasons. HE or SHE always strives to make all of one's requests, in line with HIS will.
So does HE give us an instructions about how NOT TO PRAY? He sure does.
Matthew 6:5-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
Does anyone here know what the Greek Word for "vain repetitions" is? How about I take it a step further and ask if anyone knows the origin of that Greek word - [FONT=Gentium !important]battalogeô ?[/FONT]
Many will recognize that [FONT=Gentium !important]logeô[/FONT] is a Greek reference to "words" or "speach"; but where does the BATTA part come from. It actually was a word used in the Greek Mystery Religions, such as the Worship of Zeus. The pagan priests taught their worshipers to pray in a private prayer language that only the gods understood, by: "Saying Batta, Batta, Batta, over and over again as fast as they could, and the gods would turn it into a private prayer language that only they understood." I am sorry if that rubs some of you the wrong way, but that is the truth. That practice predates the Church by at least 400 years. Plato, himself, referred to the experience as "Divine Ecstasy, it was as if I linked up with the gods."
Therefore what Jesus was saying is do not pray in babbling words, like the heathen or pagans do.
Matthew 6:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters, since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.
So do the pagans of today still use this mindless, babbling, supposed language of the gods? The Mormons do, the Buddhists do, the Hindus do, the Muslims do, some of the Eskimos do, and probably many others. It is natural phenomena, not "Divine Ecstasy" like Plato thought:
The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”