AMERICA! it's time to fly.
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Hi Deadtosin,
Once thing I have about these types of warnings, is that everyone says the
same thing of their own country.
People in the UK say the same, something's gonna happen, how can God put up
with us any longer.
France is worse, it is a very immoral atheistic country.
Then there is the EU, many think the EU and the coming together of the various
countries is a harbinger of doom.
Then there are all the middle Eastern and African countries where IS operate.
Then there are the countries still under a dictatorship and South East Asian countries.
Places like China where the Internet is censored and where Google have to make it
look as if the Chinese version of the truth is correct right across the entire world.
Then there is the abject poverty seen in many third world countries and then of
course the Palastine/Isreal issue.
My point is that a person could pick any country and say - that's Babylon, look at the
corruption (by the way I have friends who come from India and they tell India is the
most corrupt place on the planet). Look at the blood moons, let's flee while there is
still time.
But unless you can climb on a space ship and head for Mars, leaving the world behind,
where are you going to go.
Honestley whatever you might think of the USA and the Western world, there is a whole
other world out their far far worse, where human life is considered dung.
Children trafficked for pennies, street kids who fend for themselves as young as
toddlers, baby girls aborted in the womb as male children are considered to be
of more worth.
Millions forced to flee or risk death. Massacres seem to happen on a regular basis
as one people group rises up against another.
People living in slums with less than a pound (dollar) a day to live on.
The whole bigger picture is far more than just an individual's small corner of the
globe.
Yes Jesus will return some day, but before then is it not better to share the gospel
message and reach out to people in need.
Once thing I have about these types of warnings, is that everyone says the
same thing of their own country.
People in the UK say the same, something's gonna happen, how can God put up
with us any longer.
France is worse, it is a very immoral atheistic country.
Then there is the EU, many think the EU and the coming together of the various
countries is a harbinger of doom.
Then there are all the middle Eastern and African countries where IS operate.
Then there are the countries still under a dictatorship and South East Asian countries.
Places like China where the Internet is censored and where Google have to make it
look as if the Chinese version of the truth is correct right across the entire world.
Then there is the abject poverty seen in many third world countries and then of
course the Palastine/Isreal issue.
My point is that a person could pick any country and say - that's Babylon, look at the
corruption (by the way I have friends who come from India and they tell India is the
most corrupt place on the planet). Look at the blood moons, let's flee while there is
still time.
But unless you can climb on a space ship and head for Mars, leaving the world behind,
where are you going to go.
Honestley whatever you might think of the USA and the Western world, there is a whole
other world out their far far worse, where human life is considered dung.
Children trafficked for pennies, street kids who fend for themselves as young as
toddlers, baby girls aborted in the womb as male children are considered to be
of more worth.
Millions forced to flee or risk death. Massacres seem to happen on a regular basis
as one people group rises up against another.
People living in slums with less than a pound (dollar) a day to live on.
The whole bigger picture is far more than just an individual's small corner of the
globe.
Yes Jesus will return some day, but before then is it not better to share the gospel
message and reach out to people in need.
A
Well, then we go against each other for much longer than I thought. I worked AGAINST Teen Challenge for a reason. The Don't Do List isn't God. It's Phariseeism.
Look what's going on? Give me a break! Look what WAS going on in America.
-- Dead babies dumped in the trash as a weekly thing. It simply was accepted that if a woman didn't want the baby, she could take something to abort it. (This is in the very times of Philadelphia when men from every colony argued for freedom from England and it was happening here IN Philadelphia.)
-- Brutal, unbiblical slavery.
-- Businesses cheating workers so badly the workers were, not only making no money, (and that's literally NO money just scripts to the company store where food cost 50% more than away from that town) they were going into more and more debt to the same people who should have been paying their worth.
-- Men killing someone for snoring too loud.
-- Businesses using guns to kill workers to bring in other workers who didn't want unions.
-- Men lined up in chairs on the sidewalk all day drinking, until their wives figured out ways to make money to feed the babies, and when that laundry cleaning or sock darning money was paid the husband came home to beat her up and take that money for more liquor.
And your thing? Some sodomites are now freed to get married? Give it a break! God knows the history. If he didn't kill off this country because men kept walking by a dead baby in the gutter until the rats ate the baby, apparently He understands what's going on more than your specialized selective-sight thinks.
You've been taught some funky things and think that equals scripture. It doesn't!
Look what's going on? Give me a break! Look what WAS going on in America.
-- Dead babies dumped in the trash as a weekly thing. It simply was accepted that if a woman didn't want the baby, she could take something to abort it. (This is in the very times of Philadelphia when men from every colony argued for freedom from England and it was happening here IN Philadelphia.)
-- Brutal, unbiblical slavery.
-- Businesses cheating workers so badly the workers were, not only making no money, (and that's literally NO money just scripts to the company store where food cost 50% more than away from that town) they were going into more and more debt to the same people who should have been paying their worth.
-- Men killing someone for snoring too loud.
-- Businesses using guns to kill workers to bring in other workers who didn't want unions.
-- Men lined up in chairs on the sidewalk all day drinking, until their wives figured out ways to make money to feed the babies, and when that laundry cleaning or sock darning money was paid the husband came home to beat her up and take that money for more liquor.
And your thing? Some sodomites are now freed to get married? Give it a break! God knows the history. If he didn't kill off this country because men kept walking by a dead baby in the gutter until the rats ate the baby, apparently He understands what's going on more than your specialized selective-sight thinks.
You've been taught some funky things and think that equals scripture. It doesn't!
Where the monks escaped from the evils of this world...only to find plenty of evil in their own hearts 
However far he is willing to go however deeply and richly he loves and cares for each person even such a person like that so will I, I don't care what the cost is how far I have to go what I must go through or what I have to sacrifice. When I became I Christian I told God that if we were going to do this if we were going to go into faith then we either go all the way or not all we either give it everything we have or there is no point and if we are to be strong in him at all there are certain conditions that must always be met it can never be about me ever and we will be strong only out of deep and powerful love for him with him and for all others or else I will not even attempt to be strong.
I knew I could not trust my self to uphold these conditions so I gave him all the power and authority to enforce them for me, I made the right decision as he has done a very good job of this. if say I am to go through the tribulation wherever the enemies hand is to strike his children or to hurt the lost who can be saved you can be assured I will be there to block the blow, they are not his to have and as long as I am alive as long as I breath as long as God is with me he will not have a single one of them.
I agree with the "wandering pilgrim" mentality,
not the fleeing refugee mentality.
We do not flee from God's Wrath, as it is not directed at us, and He does not miss.
If such judgement is at the doorstep (which it is, for the world along with the US) we continue in our mission of the Kingdom without hesitation.
Make the heathens aware of impending judgement. Not a Christian forum.
Believers don't need to respond to the threat of Wrath, as Wrath is not appointed to us.
not the fleeing refugee mentality.
We do not flee from God's Wrath, as it is not directed at us, and He does not miss.
If such judgement is at the doorstep (which it is, for the world along with the US) we continue in our mission of the Kingdom without hesitation.
Make the heathens aware of impending judgement. Not a Christian forum.
Believers don't need to respond to the threat of Wrath, as Wrath is not appointed to us.
When the armies of the evil one come to take my food,
I will hand it over to them gladly, along with the the food they truly need:
the Bread of Life: the Gospel.
I stand my ground of Faith, not of earth.
That is how a warrior fights. Looking death in the eye, and pushing onward in the mission.
I will hand it over to them gladly, along with the the food they truly need:
the Bread of Life: the Gospel.
I stand my ground of Faith, not of earth.
That is how a warrior fights. Looking death in the eye, and pushing onward in the mission.
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I'm glad that in the community you're in you're reaching out with the Gospel.
I have to ask this, however, regarding your last statement, "I don't believe any of this will last, but it is surely a nice way to gather the supplies we may need til the time comes."
Let's say that "things play out" so that there is some sort of economic collapse or natural disaster - neither of which, by the way, do I believe are judgments from God, but would be results of man's errors in stewardship and living in a fallen earth system. Jesus satisfied God's wrath at the Cross, and Hebrews 9 tells us that "27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."
So my question is this: What will you do with the supplies that you have gathered 'when the time comes'? Will you defend them with deadly force or will you share them with those who need them?
And if your answer is 'yes' (defend and share), how will you sort out what to do for whom?
How does the theology of love one another fit into your answer?
I really am curious about how you have thought these things through, not because I want to do likewise, but I'm curious as to the thought process that has brought you to move and take on a 'prepper's' mindset.
-JGIG
I have to ask this, however, regarding your last statement, "I don't believe any of this will last, but it is surely a nice way to gather the supplies we may need til the time comes."
Let's say that "things play out" so that there is some sort of economic collapse or natural disaster - neither of which, by the way, do I believe are judgments from God, but would be results of man's errors in stewardship and living in a fallen earth system. Jesus satisfied God's wrath at the Cross, and Hebrews 9 tells us that "27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."
So my question is this: What will you do with the supplies that you have gathered 'when the time comes'? Will you defend them with deadly force or will you share them with those who need them?
And if your answer is 'yes' (defend and share), how will you sort out what to do for whom?
How does the theology of love one another fit into your answer?
I really am curious about how you have thought these things through, not because I want to do likewise, but I'm curious as to the thought process that has brought you to move and take on a 'prepper's' mindset.
-JGIG
Here's the thing, Deadtosin: These types of interpretations of world events have been around for millennia.
Jesus told us that when we see certain things to not be afraid; that our Redemption draws near. He didn't say to get it all figured out and go and retreat to some bunker somewhere; He calls us to love God, love others and make disciples.
In short, to go about our Father's business of sharing the Good News of the Work of Christ with those around us.
Are you spreading Good News or instilling fear, not only in the Body, but in those with whom you might be trying to share the Gospel?
Does God draw us to Himself using fear or His goodness (Rom. 2:4)?
-JGIG
Jesus told us that when we see certain things to not be afraid; that our Redemption draws near. He didn't say to get it all figured out and go and retreat to some bunker somewhere; He calls us to love God, love others and make disciples.
In short, to go about our Father's business of sharing the Good News of the Work of Christ with those around us.
Are you spreading Good News or instilling fear, not only in the Body, but in those with whom you might be trying to share the Gospel?
Does God draw us to Himself using fear or His goodness (Rom. 2:4)?
-JGIG
In Sodom; did God leave Lot and protect Him or give him warning and a way out.? In the days on Noah, did he make him miraculously unharmed or did He warn him and provide a way out. Jesus said the day of The Lord would come as. A thief in the night. The bible describes this day as a terrible day of wrath. It says that as the days if Noah were so shall it be during the days of His return. He says except that the days were shortened there would be no flesh left on earth. What will I do? Only what God guides me to do. I don't have a lazy faith. I work for The Lord, I trust The Lord. When He says move, we move. What did I find but a better life all around. He has truly blessed us here. Most of you speak with the tongues of vipers. Your words ooze your toxins. The bible isn't vague regarding these times. We would know the signs which most of you are failing to recognize. I didn't choose to run, God chose to move us. Much has changed just since Palm Sunday (the day we arrived) don't heed my warnings-fine. Ridicule me. Fine. It is what it is, but I love and trust The Lord and the Word of God and the times are clearly etched on the face of the earth.
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I haven't ridiculed you and even if some have, do you preach to the end or do you throw stones back?
Came back from lunch and you said again you were out of here:
So I'm asking again, how much do you agree with Jonathan Cahn's postulations?
now, I'm getting off my pc...been a bit of a long day
but I will check in tomorrow
Came back from lunch and you said again you were out of here:
So I'm asking again, how much do you agree with Jonathan Cahn's postulations?
now, I'm getting off my pc...been a bit of a long day
but I will check in tomorrow
Ember, in reference to Cahns book I couldn't tell you. I never read it. However when it comes to the sycamore where our nation was consecrated being struck and the cedar being planted in its stead. The government declaring rebellion with Israel's very words, the hewn stones, the financial drops on the exact days of Israel's holy days etc. I don't think those things can be argued. They are factual dates and events. That coincide perfectly with the harbingers preceding the destruction of Jerusalem. The coming schmita in september should tell us all we need to know regarding the harbingers. As far as you not being rude Ill agree to that and I thank you. As far as throwing stones back I wouldn't say I'm doing that anymore than John the Baptist was when he called the pharisees a brood of vipers. Their words are not loving they are vicious and ill call a spade a spade.
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