GRRRRRRRRR. I am so angry right now at FAKE preachers who say homosexuality is OK!

BabyTeddy79 · Jul 1, 2015

I am an avid reader. I was browsing through the ebooks on amazon. I was curious about how many Christians preach against homosexuality (it is the rage of the moment). I found DISTURBING books where the authors who claims to be Christians say that homosexuality is acceptable!

Seriously?
These fake preachers and Christians are the ones who mislead the masses. Jesus warned them about the consequences of making His little ones lose faith. I wonder if they write it for money or for getting popular. Why would anyone promote sins?

What about the danger of this fake gospels affecting those baby Christians who are getting to know God?!

Ugly · Jul 1, 2015

Is this really a surprise? This is nothing new. There has long been a history of cults and false teachers. Including on homosexuality, as well as a number of other topics. Over the years i've heard Christians justify all sorts of sins.

Gr8grace · Jul 1, 2015

I wish believers would get just as upset about people teaching loss of salvation.

BenFTW · Jul 1, 2015

Are you angry as in righteous indignation? Do you hurt for these people, realizing God has so much more for them (the homosexuals)? Are you coming from a place of love and grace, extending the grace that God has given you to them? When you see a homosexual do you see condemned, or do you see a person Jesus died for, and that that person's issue isn't so much their sins but their particular sin of disbelief in Jesus Christ that took their sins away?

I see that you are frustrated with the condoning of sin, but what should more be on your mind is that people are so sin conscious that they aren't looking at Jesus. They aren't beholding Him and being transformed. Remember, we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Their sin was dealt with at the cross, they only need to sign the check. They are forgiven, but aren't aware of that yet, they need to accept that forgiveness, just as you need to cash a check to receive finances. No, that is not universal-ism, they aren't forgiven until they believe in the Lord. Thats why we share the Gospel, otherwise if everyone was saved, we wouldn't need to preach at all.

I guess my point is the gift of no condemnation. A revelation of that, of God's goodness, is what leads men to repentance, and so I hope your anger is coming from the right place and not one of condemnation but rather a hurting for these people knowing God loves them and wants so much more for them.

seed_time_harvest · Jul 1, 2015

Gr8grace said:

Can a Christian become reprobate?

fredjames · Jul 1, 2015

BabyTeddy79 said:

These 'sneaked in' believers were already present in the church during the Apostle's time and they are exposed and mentioned, in their 'epistles', as 'counterfeits' and 'imposters', who were with them, but now have gone ahead of them, preaching and teaching a different 'jesus' and imparting a different 'spirit', to 'deceive' the church, from being 'rooted' to 'as it is written' and taught by the HOLY SPIRIT since the beginning from the Holy Scripture/HOLY BIBLE.

As it is written to 'aid' you from trouble, that;

"Do not go to bed angry and allow the devil to get the best of you."

Scripture quote would be helpful brethren.

Thank you and may the Good GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.

Agricola · Jul 1, 2015

Homosexuality is a sin but so what, so is just about everything else we do and think. Homosexuality is hardly mentioned in the Bible, its just Christians have fallen into the atheist trap in taking the bait, hook line and sinker in one go.

If someone wants to be a homosexual then I do not care, if a Christian continues to engage in homosexuality, then thats between himself and God, we are all dirty filthy and there is probably no Christian who struggles with some sort of sin.

Do we see demonstrations and Christians up in arms about heterosexual couples having sex outside marriage? There are more Christian couples acting this way than there are homosexuals, what about porn and adultery?

Problem seems to be there is no sensible middle ground.

kaylagrl · Jul 1, 2015

Agricola said:

Homosexuality is mentioned more than once as a very serious sin,an abomination. People are up in arms about it because of the gay agenda,which you will now see all over the news as pastors refuse to marry same sex couples.Where I came from in Canada most pastors in my denomination would not marry couples who were living together and if you were divorced you could not be a pastor or have certain leadership roles. Yes we all deal with sin but that doesnt make us anymore right.Sex is sacred,marriage is sacred and God takes homosexuality very seriously.

I do not understand where Christians get the idea that they are suppose to live and let live.The Bible doesnt teach that.I dont know if you are a believer or not but the Bible tells us to snatch sinners from the fire.In other words,warn others they are headed for hell if they do not repent and turn around. Jesus told sinners to "go your way and sin no more" He did not say "hey everybody sins so you're good."

Homosexuality tears at the very fabric of society,the family,Gods foundation blocks. When he made man and woman he had an idea in mind,and it was a sacred union. Sex has been twisted by the world and misused. Now its about doing what makes you feel good,if you have an itch scratch it.Song of Solomon makes clear how sacred God considers sex.And homosexuality is outside Gods law,so much so that it is an abomination.Id take that very seriously.

twotwo · Jul 1, 2015

BabyTeddy79 said:

I am an avid reader. I was browsing through the ebooks on amazon. I was curious about how many Christians preach against homosexuality (it is the rage of the moment). I found DISTURBING books where the authors who claims to be Christians say that homosexuality is acceptable!

Seriously?
These fake preachers and Christians are the ones who mislead the masses. Jesus warned them about the consequences of making His little ones lose faith. I wonder if they write it for money or for getting popular. Why would anyone promote sins?

What about the danger of this fake gospels affecting those baby Christians who are getting to know God?!

In your anger do not sin against the Lord!

Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry!

SeaBass · Jul 1, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

Can become a homosexual, yet according to eternal security still be saved anyway:

“We take the position that a Christian's sins do not damn his soul. The way a Christian lives, what he says, his character, his conduct, or his attitude toward other people have nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul... All the prayers a man may pray, all the Bibles he may read, all the churches he may belong to, all the services he may attend, all the sermons he may practice, all the debts he may pay, all the or-dinances he may observe, all the laws he may keep, all the benevolent acts he may per-form will not make his soul one whit safer; and all the sins he may commit from idolatry to murder will not make his soul in any more danger... The way a man lives has nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul... The way I live has nothing whatsoever to do with the salvation of my soul" [Do a Christian’s Sins Damn His Soul?].
Sam Morris, a Baptist preacher in Stamford, Texas

Bill Foster, Baptist preacher in Louisville, KY commented: "If I killed my wife and mother and debauched a thousand women, I couldn't go to hell -- in fact, I couldn't go to hell if I wanted to. If on the judgment day, I should find that my loved ones are lost and should lose all desire to be saved, and should beg God to send me to hell with them, He couldn't do it" (The Weekly Worker, March 12, 1959).

Hoyt Chastain was a Missionary Baptist preacher who defended, in public debate on a number of occasions, the propostion that a child of God cannot fall from grace. In one of these encounters Chastain affirmed that he could abandon his wife and children, move in with a sixteen-year-old girl, and the Lord would take the situation and “work it out for his good.” Incredible! Another cleric adopted a similar view. J.L. Pettit, a fifty-four-year-old Baptist preacher, seduced a fourteen-year-old girl. Pettit subsequently was arrested and brought to trial. The girl swore on the witness stand that the minister told her their sexual activity was merely a “matter of the flesh,” and it would not “bother the soul.”

Both of these cases (Chastain and Pettit) were discussed in the Grider-Sherrill Debate, conducted in Somerset, Kentucky in May of 1955 (which was subsequently published). W.E. Sherrill, a Baptist preacher of Benton, Arkansas, was arguing the case that the Christian cannot apostatize so as to be lost finally in hell. A.C. Grider introduced the Sam Morris testimony, and also cited the material regarding Chastain and Pettit. He pressed Sherrill as to whether or not these affirmations were consistent with Baptist doctrine. Sherrill would never repudiate the statements. He continued to insist that no matter what a Christian does, he cannot be lost."

https://www.christiancourier.com/art...-baptist-rules
W. Jackson

Charles Stanley, who wrote the following in his book called "Eternal Security Can You Be Sure?"

“The Bible clearly teaches that God’s love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand." p74

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy" p93

"...believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation ….” p94

Yet · Jul 1, 2015

Are you also angry about fake pastors that devour widows houses? The homo thing is obvious. The robbing of the widows is not as obvious to mang Christians. I say the second is far more aggregious!

notuptome · Jul 1, 2015

SeaBass said:

As usual you propose the wrong question. Is God merciful enough to save whosoever will come to Him and ask to be saved? John 3:16 would indicate that God's greatest desire is to see men saved.

The indwelling Holy Spirit witnesses to this great eternal truth.

My oh my how we endeavor to rationalize one sin in comparison to another sin we deem the greater. How terrible is it to deny Jesus Christ and the great grace of God for ones own self righteousness. Cease from the endless comparisons and face ones own sin in the presence of a perfectly holy and eternal God. The endless striving and contentions vanish in the presence of Gods righteousness and eternal holiness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

SeaBass · Jul 1, 2015

notuptome said:

The issue is not about coming to Christ to become saved, but about those already saved (Christians) who choose to turn to a lifestyle of sin/homosexuality and yet be saved any way...according to eternal security.

kaylagrl · Jul 1, 2015

Yet said:

While there may be some shady pastors the vast majority are not that way. Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible,Id say its very serious.

secularhermit · Jul 1, 2015

If I ever said "Homosexuality is OK", I would said that to GET PPL in "my" church (1), to make it grow (2), to drag more money into my pocket (3), to know who were lesbians (4), to see who had indulged in several types of sexual deviations (5), to exploit them emotionally (sexually) and economically (6)

Each time you´ve heard a "preacher" like that, his "gospel" is a bad news, NOT THE GOSPEL of the Lord Jesus.

I do know "preachers" who prey on ppl lives and, economically and sexually exploted their followers so, I´m against THEM, as also Jesus Christ is against those who have lied on ppl´s weakness (however, sexual sins ARE NOT above all OUR transgression).

All sins are sins!

ember · Jul 1, 2015

BabyTeddy79 said:

The Day of the Lord1Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.3Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. II Peter 3

1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. II Timothy 4

notuptome · Jul 1, 2015

SeaBass said:

Well you have not been able to comprehend what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 5 about the wicked sin of a professing believer who was living in open sin. Was he saved? Did he repent and get saved? You cannot put the cart before the horse. They must be saved first then God will begin the process of sanctification and growth to maturity in a believers life.

I leave it in Gods care and tend only to what I must account for in my life.

Blanket condemnations of those who do not agree with me seem to be of little value like no value to God. I wonder why God does not consult with me on these things? Just a tiny bit of sarcasm.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

SeaBass · Jul 1, 2015

notuptome said:

Well you have not been able to comprehend what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 5 about the wicked sin of a professing believer who was living in open sin. Was he saved? Did he repent and get saved? You cannot put the cart before the horse. They must be saved first then God will begin the process of sanctification and growth to maturity in a believers life.

I leave it in Gods care and tend only to what I must account for in my life.

Blanket condemnations of those who do not agree with me seem to be of little value like no value to God. I wonder why God does not consult with me on these things? Just a tiny bit of sarcasm.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Are you trying to misuse 1 Cor 5 claiming a Christian can live in adultery and be saved anyway?

BabyTeddy79 · Jul 1, 2015

BabyTeddy79 said:

Not surprising but irritating that true Christian people don't write what Bible says. The fake ones are writing books twisting the gospel. More Christians should write books so that the youngster will have something to read when they search for it. I am shocked as not many are writing against it.

Blain · Jul 1, 2015

BabyTeddy79 said:

There are many reasons as to why so called Christians do this, the fact that they want to be accepted is a strong motive for such a thing, if they can be accepted by the majority of ppl their books sell well and they get money plus they are seen as holy people. I don't know for sure if they see or know the damage they are doing to ppl who are either young in faith or simply do not know better but this was prophesied to happened

GRRRRRRRRR. I am so angry right now at FAKE preachers who say homosexuality is OK!

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