WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

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zlarry

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Greetings My first post of introduction

Why did God create the physical universe, and is heavenly life a plan B because Plan A failed. Or was God’s original purpose plan B to begin with. Was man to live eternally on earth in paradise free of sin, suffering and death because Adam and Eve at the forbidden fruit? Or was the only thing the couple lost in the beginning was separation, spiritual death, from God proved by their eviction from the Garden of Eden.
 

maxwel

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That's an interesting question.

What makes you ask that?
 
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zlarry

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Hi maxwel

I don’t believe God’s original purpose was to fill the earth with righteous people, but had, and is a superior plan. I have studied this out for quite a while, and have come to a scriptural conclusion. That conclusion is being filled out today, as was in the first century when the Lord Jesus gave His life so true believers can be born again. In short the way God planned it from the beginning will be the way it turns out in the end.

This can be proven because as we know God would send His Son to earth before time began. There is more, hope we can talk again. Not sure how to get around here maybe you can help!
 
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jaybird88

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The one post wonders usually do.
cmon cross you can answer this one. the mystery of the cosmos and why is mankind here? easy peasy. and while your at it, whats outside the universe? what is the quantum vacuum field? can information escape a black hole? and why do i have a pinky toe that kinda points in a different direction?
i will get the aspirin.
 
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jaybird88

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Hi maxwel

I don’t believe God’s original purpose was to fill the earth with righteous people, but had, and is a superior plan. I have studied this out for quite a while, and have come to a scriptural conclusion. That conclusion is being filled out today, as was in the first century when the Lord Jesus gave His life so true believers can be born again. In short the way God planned it from the beginning will be the way it turns out in the end.

This can be proven because as we know God would send His Son to earth before time began. There is more, hope we can talk again. Not sure how to get around here maybe you can help!
i agree, IMO if our Lords plan was to make righteous beings perfect in every way, then we would all be a bunch of robots, there would be no test to prepare us for the next world, we would be ready for the next world as soon as we were born and whats the point in that
 

breno785au

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Well, the first part is easy. God cannot fail at anything, so no there is whoops, better pull out plan B :) I think i hit that one on the head.
 
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Greetings My first post of introduction
Hello.

Why did God create the physical universe.
Because He can and He had a plan?


and is heavenly life a plan B because Plan A failed.
I personally doubt that, I think that would make God's creation purposeless, why create a universe perfectly adapted for plant life (food) man and animals and creatures and then to suffer and then go to heaven or a fieryhell?


Was man to live eternally on earth in paradise free of sin.
Paradise sounds really nice, I think this earth has great potential to be something really special but right now and for quite some time it is basicaly a stinking corrupt dump, something has gone wrong?


suffering and death because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit?
There appears to be a command from God and the first man and woman disobeyed God's command, also mankind causes much of the suffering here on earth.

Or was the only thing the couple lost in the beginning was separation, spiritual death, from God proved by their eviction from the Garden of Eden.
Depending on how one sees things they lost much much more.
 

p_rehbein

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1) GOD HAD A MASTER PLAN

2) MAN SCREWED IT UP

3) GOD KNEW HE WOULD

4) SEE # 1
 
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Laodicea

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Hi maxwel

I don’t believe God’s original purpose was to fill the earth with righteous people, but had, and is a superior plan. I have studied this out for quite a while, and have come to a scriptural conclusion. That conclusion is being filled out today, as was in the first century when the Lord Jesus gave His life so true believers can be born again. In short the way God planned it from the beginning will be the way it turns out in the end.

This can be proven because as we know God would send His Son to earth before time began. There is more, hope we can talk again. Not sure how to get around here maybe you can help!

If you are saying that sin was in God's plan then that would make God the author of sin and suffering.
 

p_rehbein

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If you are saying that sin was in God's plan then that would make God the author of sin and suffering.

Hard to doubt His "foreknowing" that man would "fall." Doesn't mean He intended for them to, unless one subscribes to Calvin's ideology.
 
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Laodicea

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Hard to doubt His "foreknowing" that man would "fall." Doesn't mean He intended for them to, unless one subscribes to Calvin's ideology.
Yes God certainly knew of the introduction of sin and made a plan for it. The plan of redemption was not a spare of the moment choice made up when Adam & Eve sinned. But He never wanted them to sin 1 John 2:1 makes it clear. I have a problem with the intention of the op making God the author of sin.
 

jb

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Greetings My first post of introduction

Why did God create the physical universe, and is heavenly life a plan B because Plan A failed. Or was God’s original purpose plan B to begin with. Was man to live eternally on earth in paradise free of sin, suffering and death because Adam and Eve at the forbidden fruit? Or was the only thing the couple lost in the beginning was separation, spiritual death, from God proved by their eviction from the Garden of Eden.
You might want to have a look at This and This...

Yahweh Shalom
 

oldhermit

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[h=2]WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE?[/h]We do not know. Scripture does not provide us with this information.
 
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Laodicea

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Isaiah 45:18 KJV
(18) For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
 

oldhermit

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Isaiah 45:18 KJV
(18) For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Yes, and he created all the celestial bodies to give light upon the earth and to marks the seasons but, this does not really tell us WHY he did all of this.
 
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Laodicea

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Yes, and he created all the celestial bodies to give light upon the earth and to marks the seasons but, this does not really tell us WHY he did all of this.
It tells us He created it to be inhabited, that means He wanted it to be filled with life. Creation was not an after thought, He knew us before we were created. So when God created we were on His mind.
 

prove-all

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the universe, the world to come, I could only imange..

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. …
By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all the host
of them by the breath ofHis mouth. … For He spoke, and it was
done; He commanded, and it stood fast”(Genesis 1:1; Psalm 33:6, 9;)

I believe there is a chronological gap—of probably millions or billions of years—
between the spectacular creation event described in Genesis 1:1
and the state of disorder and decay (Hebrew tohu and bohu) described in Genesis 1:2

(which preceded the rest of Genesis 1,in which God renewed the face of the Earth—Psalm 104:30).
In Isaiah 45:18,God says He did not create the Earth in vain (Hebrew tohu)

the cause of this Genesis 1:2 desolation: the angelic rebellion led by Lucifer,
which caused a violent war in heaven (Isaiah 14:12-15 ,Ezekiel 28:11-19)

that God “stretched out” or “spreads out” the heavens.
God “created the heavens, and stretched them out” (Isaiah 42:5).

“He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing”(Job 26:7).

The phrase spreadeth out comes from the Hebrew natah,
which means to stretch or spread;it can mean to extend in every direction.

Scripture refers to the heavens in this way a total of 11 times, by the pen of
five different biblical writers: Job, David,Isaiah, Jeremiah and Zechariah.
Four verses (Isaiah 45:12; 48:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15)
use a form of natah that literally means the action was completed
some time ago. Seven instances use a form of the verb natah
that implies continual or ongoing stretching (Job 9:8;
Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24;
51:13; Zechariah 12:1).

Both of these aspects of this stretching can be seen
in Isaiah 40:22, which says that God “stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.”

Stretches out comes from natah and implies something continuing today,
while spreadeth comes from the Hebrew mathach (this word’s only use in
the Old Testament)—meaning to stretch out and implying something
that God has already done and completed.

Job 9:8 tells us that “[God] alone spreadeth out the heavens.”
“Praise him, ye heavens of heavens,and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Let them praise the name of the Lord:for he commanded, and they were created.
… He telleth the number of thestars; he calleth them all by their names”
(Psalm 148:4-5; 147:4).

“By faith we understand that the world was created
by the word of God, so that what is seen [physical matter] was made
out of things which do not appear” (Hebrews 11:3, rsv).

“Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things,” God says,
“that bringeth out their host by number:he calleth them all by names by the greatness
of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth” (Isaiah 40:26).

What is dark matter? No one knows. We can register its
effects, but we cannot see it or measure it. He asked Job,

“Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness,
where is the place thereof, that thou shouldest take it
to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the
paths to the house thereof?” (Job 38:19-20).

The Living Bible renders this, “[T]ell me about the darkness.
Where does it come from? Can you find its boundaries, or go to its source?”

Romans 1:20 says “the invisible things of him from the
creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made ….” The visible universe shows
that there must be this invisible matter or force holding
it all together. We can see the invisible power of God by
seeing the visible.

Perhaps “dark matter” is actually the invisible power of
God holding the universe together. By the power of God
“were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all thing were created
by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and
by him all things consist” (Colossians 1:16-17).

“By himnall things consist” or are held together. Hebrews 1:3 says
that Jesus Christ is “upholding the universe by his word of
power” (rsv). Upholding comes from a Greek word meaning
to bear or carry. God says in Psalm 75:3 that “When the
earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady
its pillars” (rsv). God holds together and sustains the universe by His power.


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prove-all

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How can scientists never consider the possibility
that God created all of this?
“[T]heir eyes they have closed” (Matthew 13:15).
These scientists are studying God’s creation—and their eyes are closed!
They choose to exalt the creation above the magnificent Creator

Romans 1:19-20: “[T]hat which may be known of God is manifest
in them [people who disbelieve]; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.”
Never have we been so “without excuse” as we are today
“When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers,
the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? …” (Psalm 8:1, 3-4).

Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep andnoxen, yea,
and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the
sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas” (4, 6-8).
that which God gave mankind in the creation of man—the solid earth,
the Earth’s atmosphere, and the waters and sea (as in Genesis 1:26-28)

“the world to come.”
In the book of Hebrews we read: “For
unto the angels hath he [God] not put in
subjection the world to come, whereof
we speak” (Hebrews 2:5).
The theme of the context here is “the world to come.”

There is but one Earth, but the Bible speaks of three worlds, ages,
or civilizations on the Earth—
the “world that then was” (the antediluvian world from Adam to Noah);
this “present evil world”(from the Flood until Christ’s return, yet future);and
“the world to come” (which starts when Christ comes and sets up the Kingdom )

6But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful
of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet.
For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.
But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons
unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

3When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

In this psalm, David continued showing specifically that God has now placed in
subjection under man the solid earth,the Earth’s atmosphere or air, and the sea.
But now the writer of the book of Hebrews is inspired to follow with
something radically different—something to happen in the world to come!
God says
He has prepared for them that love
Him (1 Corinthians 2:9-10)

[L]et’s see what is said in this passage in Hebrews, beginning where
Hebrews leaves off quoting the eighth Psalm:
“Thou hast put all things in subjection under his [man’s] feet.
For in that he [God] put all in subjection under him [man],
he [God] left nothing that is not put under him” (Hebrews 2:8).
Is it possible God could meanwhat He says (“all things”)?
Nothing excluded?