Torah Does not Mean the Law

[JaumeJ]

Many people use the word, torah, as meaning the law. It is the name of the first five Books of the Bible, albeit the law is contained in it.

Reading all of the Word, if we believe what we are recommended to do by our Maker, whether it be the Holy Gost, Jesus Christ or the Father, we may consider this a law, a commandment, a statute or an ordinance because anything the Maker teaches us to do is nort just a suggestion now, is it?

We understand the Father and the Son by means of the Holy Spirit, all are one. This being the cse, we who know Jesus Christ no longer read those suggestions, commandments, ordinances, statutes etc. blinded by the veil of Moses. We now see them through the Eyes of Jesus Christ when we open ourselves to Him

Paul teaches we were previously children of disobedience. We are no, because of Jesus Christ, children of obedience. What are you obeing?

I believe we obey naturally by the new man we have become and establish the true law by the gift of faith from the Father. If we establish the law, then we also obey the law, but what law?

Do not pretend to teach other we are not children of obedience, that is children who now obey the FAthe if you do not understand how and what we are to obey.

We are to obey all of the law according to the Example set by Jesus Christ, and by His teaching. Paul is sthe first to know this, who previously obeyed the law as though etched in stone, rather than on the tablets of flesh of our hearts on our inward parts.

Etched in stone there was no room for mercy and grace, hoever estabished within us by the Holy Spirit we are given the authority by the HOly Spirit to show mercy and grace where the stone etched laws were immoveable, for we have received mercy and grace, and we are taught to show the same and give the same to others.

There are no longer dietary laws to follow according to Jesus Chrsit. We do not stone sinners, we forgive them and pray for them. All the laws that call upon us to obey the love that has beengiven to us are stilljust as valid as they ever were.

If you say you kn ow Jesus Christ then you understand what is being said here, obedience, mercy and grace, for we are not called to continue in disobedience. According to what has been said here, we are forgiven when we do err, thus we share our mercy and grace with others, even if they do not accept it or appreciate it. Worse was done to our Mster, Jesus Chrsit.

Praise Jesus Christ

 

[Danel]

There are no longer dietary laws to follow according to Jesus Chrsit.

Incorrect.

Mathew 15:11- Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

This about this statement for a second. Cocaine, marijuana, and crystal meth go into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Poison goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Alchol goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

If you don't read the Bible in context, you shouldn't read it at all. Jesus was criticizing the pharisees about their unbiblical handwashing practices that they were treating like a commandment of God. Our messiah only spoke against the commandments of men. But he would never speak against a commandment of God. .

Mathew 5:17- Until heavens and earth pass away, not one word will dissapear from the law until all be fulfilled.

 

[JaumeJ]

I understand that noting entering the body corrupts the body from Jesus Christ. It iw what proceeds fromt eh heart that corrupts, that is if what is in the heart is evil.

Also, Peter's vision may be understood to make all people and foods clean, for though the only "clean" people before Jesus Chrsit were the Children of Israel and their converts, so it was with the food Peter was commanded to eat. made clean.

This is what I, and most who have studied these references believe. I do not say opposing understanding is in correct, but I am fine in the sight of God with m understanding.

All foods are good if received with thanksgiving. God bless you and all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Just a quick post script. No law wil pass while heaven and the earth remain, but, as you have said, we must read and understand correctly. We now understand the law according to the teaching and example of the Master, and having had the veil removed we too know how to use the law lawfully.

Go through all the laws one by one, and I tell you that because of our being able to see and understand we know which are not to be followed. We turn the other cheek rather than suffer another to pass through any harm. We do not stone or kill others, not even if they have broken a law. We do not sacrifice anything for sin, for we have One sacrivice. We do not move a neighbor's marker, for this would break the law of love. You give me a lw and I will give you the understanding of not having the veil of Moses blinding me. It is squite obvious to a believer which laws are good, but there are those who believe they know when they just do not understand.. Not tmple should tell all a lot. No Israel under God in this age. The manner to obey is quite obvious, but so many here believe they are ok just ignoring the law. Not one jot or tiddle whall change while there is the moon, the sun and the earth.

(anyone who may pass by, good night from here, I will be back tomorrow, God be willing.)

 

[Elin]

Many people use the word,
torah, as meaning the law. It is the name of the first five Books of the Bible, albeit the law is contained in it.

Jesus referred to the Pentateuch as the Law.

We are to obey all of the law according to the Example set by Jesus Christ,

Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the law.
Yes, he kept it and kept it perfectly.

Then Jesus inaugurated the new covenant (Lk 22:20), and the two new covenant laws (Mt 22:37-39) which is the law of God (1Co 9:21), and obedience to which fulfills the law (Ro 13:8, 9, 10).

The new covenant believer is subject to the new covenant law of God, not to the old covenant law of God (1Co 9:21).

Example set. . .by His teaching.

The NT Word of God is not limited to the teaching of Jesus, who preached to those under the law.

 

[posthuman]

Cocaine, marijuana, and crystal meth go into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Poison goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Alchol goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

no, no, and no. none of those things defile me. it is what comes out of my mouth that defiles me.

compare Matthew 15:11 to Mark 7:19 if you are unsure of what Jesus meant by saying this -- Mark gave a parenthetical explanation - "in saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean"

if taking some food or drug causes you to give in to temptation to speak or do evil, then it it is the evil that you speak or do that is defiling. so what tempts us to sin, we should not take into ourselves -- can you take a food or drug that causes you to yield to sin, and be thankful for this??
so that scripture JaumeJ reminds us of - that whatever can be received with thanksgiving is good to eat - this is true!

otherwise, i can be thankful for eating bacon, but eating bacon is still a sin?? then the scripture is set against itself. as it is, i have been brought near to God under a new covenant, one in which i do not have "do not taste! do not eat!" laws, unlike the former covenant with the nation Israel.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Many people use the word, torah, as meaning the law. It is the name of the first five Books of the Bible, albeit the law is contained in it.

Reading all of the Word, if we believe what we are recommended to do by our Maker, whether it be the Holy Gost, Jesus Christ or the Father, we may consider this a law, a commandment, a statute or an ordinance because anything the Maker teaches us to do is nort just a suggestion now, is it?

We understand the Father and the Son by means of the Holy Spirit, all are one. This being the cse, we who know Jesus Christ no longer read those suggestions, commandments, ordinances, statutes etc. blinded by the veil of Moses. We now see them through the Eyes of Jesus Christ when we open ourselves to Him

Paul teaches we were previously children of disobedience. We are no, because of Jesus Christ, children of obedience. What are you obeing?

I believe we obey naturally by the new man we have become and establish the true law by the gift of faith from the Father. If we establish the law, then we also obey the law, but what law?

Do not pretend to teach other we are not children of obedience, that is children who now obey the FAthe if you do not understand how and what we are to obey.

We are to obey all of the law according to the Example set by Jesus Christ, and by His teaching. Paul is sthe first to know this, who previously obeyed the law as though etched in stone, rather than on the tablets of flesh of our hearts on our inward parts.

Etched in stone there was no room for mercy and grace, hoever estabished within us by the Holy Spirit we are given the authority by the HOly Spirit to show mercy and grace where the stone etched laws were immoveable, for we have received mercy and grace, and we are taught to show the same and give the same to others.

There are no longer dietary laws to follow according to Jesus Chrsit. We do not stone sinners, we forgive them and pray for them. All the laws that call upon us to obey the love that has beengiven to us are stilljust as valid as they ever were.

If you say you kn ow Jesus Christ then you understand what is being said here, obedience, mercy and grace, for we are not called to continue in disobedience. According to what has been said here, we are forgiven when we do err, thus we share our mercy and grace with others, even if they do not accept it or appreciate it. Worse was done to our Mster, Jesus Chrsit.

Praise Jesus Christ

The law was not made for a righteous man.It was meant to show you your guilt and once you realize you can't keep the law of GOD perfectly(because of the weakness of your flesh)you will not call on man but you will realize you need help from GOD who can clean you to the uttermost(inside).

Remember Paul said all the law is summed up in one word(love)
JESUS(GOD)was the only one to keep the law.
So we establish the law by keeping the two commandments and we are his workmanship created unto good works.

 

[JaumeJ]

Your words are fine, and v ery much from the Word, but they really do not have much to do with my post. Did you read all of it? Please try to see what is being shared in Jesus Christ, for it is about Him, for He is the Word, all of the Word.

The law was not made for a righteous man.It was meant to show you your guilt and once you realize you can't keep the law of GOD perfectly(because of the weakness of your flesh)you will not call on man but you will realize you need help from GOD who can clean you to the uttermost(inside).

Remember Paul said all the law is summed up in one word(love)
JESUS(GOD)was the only one to keep the law.
So we establish the law by keeping the two commandments and we are his workmanship created unto good works.

 

[crossnote]

Torah (TOH-ruh) In its narrowest sense, Torah the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, sometimes called the Pentateuch or the Five Books of Moses. In its broadest sense, Torah is the entire body of Jewish teachings. (jewfaq.org)

 

[JaumeJ]

You have that correct.......

 

[sparkman]

You are wrong, and Scripture is very clear about this.

Read the verses in Mark.

Mark 7:18 And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.…

Note the underlined statement.

In addition, the Apostle Paul made similar statements in Romans 14.

Romans 14: 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

You can distort it all you want but the facts are facts. None of the fancy word games that the Armstrongites or 119ministries.com come up with can deny this.

Incorrect.

Mathew 15:11- Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

This about this statement for a second. Cocaine, marijuana, and crystal meth go into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Poison goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

Alchol goes into your mouth. Can that defile you?

If you don't read the Bible in context, you shouldn't read it at all. Jesus was criticizing the pharisees about their unbiblical handwashing practices that they were treating like a commandment of God. Our messiah only spoke against the commandments of men. But he would never speak against a commandment of God. .

Mathew 5:17- Until heavens and earth pass away, not one word will dissapear from the law until all be fulfilled.

 

[mcubed]

Your right Torah does not mean "the law" it literally means in Hebrew unto righteousness.

 

[tanach]

Torah does not mean Law it means Teaching or Instruction. It primarily applies to the books of Moses but in Judaism it has been extended to the whole of the Bible (Tanakh), and any other writings such as the Talmud. Another misused term we use is
Testament. The correct term is Covenant. A Testament is something that can be changed as in the case of a last will and testament. A covenant cannot be changed but it can be broken by one of the two parties involved.

 

[Elin]

Torah does not mean Law it means Teaching or Instruction. It primarily applies to the books of Moses but in Judaism it has been extended to the whole of the Bible (Tanakh), and any other writings such as the Talmud. Another
misused term we use is Testament. The correct term is Covenant.
A Testament is something that can be changed as in the case of a last will and testament. A covenant cannot be changed but it can be broken by one of the two parties involved.

The Last Will and Testament is made effective by, and cannot be changed after, the death of the testator.

Testament is a good word for covenant, made effective by the death of the testator.