Perfect love cast out fear

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seed_time_harvest

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I was looking at the news about the kid in Charleston South Carolina that shot the nine people and I remembered one of the ladies was playing dead after seeing her son shot.

It came to my remembrance when one time when I was living with my mother we forgot to lock the doors and that night someone came into our house and while I was sound asleep my mom had woken up and realized there was someone in the house and she started screaming.
I eventually woke up,heard her screaming and ask her what had happened and she told me someone was in the house.

My first thought was I don't have anything for protection what do I do.Then I thought about my mom and just rushed in and subdued the guy while not knowing if he had a gun or knife .

Later I realized what perfect love cast out fear for fear has torment means.

When someone loves someone they will not fear death more than caring for someone they love.

If you fear death you will try to preserve the flesh.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
I was looking at the news about the kid in Charleston South Carolina that shot the nine people and I remembered one of the ladies was playing dead after seeing her son shot.

It came to my remembrance when one time when I was living with my mother we forgot to lock the doors and that night someone came into our house and while I was sound asleep my mom had woken up and realized there was someone in the house and she started screaming.
I eventually woke up,heard her screaming and ask her what had happened and she told me someone was in the house.

My first thought was I don't have anything for protection what do I do.Then I thought about my mom and just rushed in and subdued the guy while not knowing if he had a gun or knife .

Later I realized what perfect love cast out fear for fear has torment means.

When someone loves someone they will not fear death more than caring for someone they love.

If you fear death you will try to preserve the flesh.
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When I was 21 and my little brother really was little and 10 years old, my Dad went on vacation without us. I took care of litte brother for a week.

One night I woke up anf heard a sound. Someone was in the house. My first thought was to run across the hall into my little brothers room to hide him. I also feared if I made a sound, it would alert the person that people were in the house, and he'd come up and kill little brother and me. I froze.

I managed to get out of bed, but froze at the door.

It took me five minutes to get my nerve and open the door.

There was a light on in the bathroom. I checked. No one was in there.

Little brother had gone to the bathroom in the middle of the night and then back to bed.

I was my little brother's Mom when Mom died five years earlier. I loved him more than I had ever loved another person up to that point. Perfect love? Meh. Maybe some of us just aren't perfect. Maybe it's just some are gutsier than I am.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
I was looking at the news about the kid in Charleston South Carolina that shot the nine people and I remembered one of the ladies was playing dead after seeing her son shot.

It came to my remembrance when one time when I was living with my mother we forgot to lock the doors and that night someone came into our house and while I was sound asleep my mom had woken up and realized there was someone in the house and she started screaming.
I eventually woke up,heard her screaming and ask her what had happened and she told me someone was in the house.

My first thought was I don't have anything for protection what do I do.Then I thought about my mom and just rushed in and subdued the guy while not knowing if he had a gun or knife .

Later I realized what perfect love cast out fear for fear has torment means.

When someone loves someone they will not fear death more than caring for someone they love.

If you fear death you will try to preserve the flesh.
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An interesting twist on that Scripture.
I've always taken it to mean that to the extent that we grasp God's perfect love for us ...fear is cast out..we no longer fear His judgment.

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1Jn 4:17-18)
 
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atwhatcost said:
When I was 21 and my little brother really was little and 10 years old, my Dad went on vacation without us. I took care of litte brother for a week.

One night I woke up anf heard a sound. Someone was in the house. My first thought was to run across the hall into my little brothers room to hide him. I also feared if I made a sound, it would alert the person that people were in the house, and he'd come up and kill little brother and me. I froze.

I managed to get out of bed, but froze at the door.

It took me five minutes to get my nerve and open the door.

There was a light on in the bathroom. I checked. No one was in there.

Little brother had gone to the bathroom in the middle of the night and then back to bed.

I was my little brother's Mom when Mom died five years earlier. I loved him more than I had ever loved another person up to that point. Perfect love? Meh. Maybe some of us just aren't perfect. Maybe it's just some are gutsier than I am.
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I'm sorry you went through that and that is the torment fear will cause.It's a good thing it was your little brother and not a stranger with unknown intention but I better say IMO perfect love will cause you not give thought to self preservation I mean to the point where you wish you had of not been concerned about self.
 
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crossnote said:
An interesting twist on that Scripture.
I've always taken it to mean that to the extent that we grasp God's perfect love for us ...fear is cast out..we no longer fear His judgment.

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1Jn 4:17-18)
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Your view is correct and biblical because if you know that regardless of the danger you might be in when you know if you were to die physically you will still live forever with GOD if you or a believer but it's just that I understood it even stronger from that experience I went through.
 
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How would you interpret "perfect love cast out fear"?
 
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The Holy Spirit is perfect love..........if He dwells within our hearts, there is no room for fear to abide within us
 
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1st John 4:18
king James versin(kjv)

18.)There is no fear in love; but perfectlove casteth outfear: becausefear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfectinlove
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What is your thoughts on the part that I underlined?
Could it mean that the person is still in the process of renewing their mind/sanctification or could it mean the person doesn't really believe.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
I'm sorry you went through that and that is the torment fear will cause.It's a good thing it was your little brother and not a stranger with unknown intention but I better say IMO perfect love will cause you not give thought to self preservation I mean to the point where you wish you had of not been concerned about self.
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Actually, that frozen thing was a little of both. "If I go running to him, will the intruder hear me and seek me out? In which case, I just exposed my brother too." Also, "if I stay still, maybe the intruder takes whatever and then leaves, so I'm safe and little brother is safe."

Then again, this is part of why I think it's unwise to use day-to-day situations as proving a promise from God. We're not God and therefore do not act like him. Even when we do, it's not us giving us that. It's God. I simply don't want to lower God to my standards.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
1st John 4:18
king James versin(kjv)

18.)There is no fear in love; but perfectlove casteth outfear: becausefear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfectinlove
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What is your thoughts on the part that I underlined?
Could it mean that the person is still in the process of renewing their mind/sanctification or could it mean the person doesn't really believe.
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If I'm the only one processing me into renewing my mind/being sanctified, I'm screwed anyway. I see myself as a dog. I don't particularly want to sit or heel on command, but my master is pleased when I do, so I do to please him. If I keep doing that, maybe there comes a day when that "I don't particularly want to sit or heel" turns into I really want to because it's delightful. I'm beginning to feel that now, except when I think about it too long. If I think about it too long, I'm right back to "I don't want to heel!"
 
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atwhatcost said:
Actually, that frozen thing was a little of both. "If I go running to him, will the intruder hear me and seek me out? In which case, I just exposed my brother too." Also, "if I stay still, maybe the intruder takes whatever and then leaves, so I'm safe and little brother is safe."

Then again, this is part of why I think it's unwise to use day-to-day situations as proving a promise from God. We're not God and therefore do not act like him. Even when we do, it's not us giving us that. It's God. I simply don't want to lower God to my standards.
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I see and respect your point but for me I think that when you give up your life for someone and you know that's what GOD did for us and you know if you die you will be with the LORD then can you see how love cast out fear?
 
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atwhatcost said:
If I'm the only one processing me into renewing my mind/being sanctified, I'm screwed anyway. I see myself as a dog. I don't particularly want to sit or heel on command, but my master is pleased when I do, so I do to please him. If I keep doing that, maybe there comes a day when that "I don't particularly want to sit or heel" turns into I really want to because it's delightful. I'm beginning to feel that now, except when I think about it too long. If I think about it too long, I'm right back to "I don't want to heel!"
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that's the flesh....(the I don't want to heel part).
Even if you are in the process of renewing your mind that can still happen(not wanting to heel)but keep heading towards spiritual mindedness and the flesh will learn that the spirit is in charge.
 
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