Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)
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Of course grace is not a license to sin. It is the license to let God finish His work in us. And that is not a idle concept. Jesus doesn't lessen the blow of sin from the grace premise, but rather heightens it, so as to demonstrate in us the foundation of God's glory found in us, a level of expectancy not possible in us but only found in Christ Himself.. For if we have chosen oneness with Him, we move forward in the process of letting God become in us the areas we lack. This is not a transference but an emergence of Himself into our lives. A vow we made known to God, in the inception of our walk with Him.
The proper perspective for me is seen in Isaiah 6:5, not as an overview explanation, but an example of it at work in our everyday routine:
"Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips..." When I come into the very presence of God, I do not realize that I am a sinner in an indefinite sense, but I suddenly realize, and the focus of my attention is directed toward the concentration of sin in a particular area of my life. If I stop there and say to myself, "all is well with me for grace covers it all"...at this stage the vicious cycle simply repeats itself, and I become deadened to the conviction of the Lords voice. And the forwardness of Gods victory is held from its natural conclusion in us.
A person will easily say, "Oh yes, I know I am a sinner," but when he comes into the presence of God he cannot get away with such a broad and indefinite statement. Our conviction is focused on our specific sin, and we realize, as Isaiah did,what we really are. This is always the sign that a person is in the presence of God. There is never any vague sense of sin, but rather a focusing on the concentration of sin in some specific, personal area of life. God begins by convicting us of the very thing to which His Spirit has directed our minds attention. If we will surrender, submitting to His conviction of that particular sin, He will lead us down to where He can reveal the vast underlying nature of sin. That is the way God always deals with us when we are consciously aware of His presence.
This experience of our attention being directed to our concentration of personal sin is true in everyone's life, from the greatest of saints to worst of sinners. When a person first begins climbing the ladder of experience, he might say, "I don't know where I've gone wrong," but the Spirit of God will point out some definite and specific thing to him. The affect of Isaiah's vision of the Holiness of the Lord was the directing of his attention to the fact that he was "a man of unclean lips." "He touched my mouth with it, and said: 'Behold, this has touched your lips; your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged'" [6:7]. The cleansing fire had to be applied where the sin had been concentrated. Grace out of balance is robbed of it's finishing work; it is not, then, Gods orchestrated grace at all, it is a "license to sin" as has been repeated many times here. But in balance, it is the foundation to the molding of the clay; His saints, in the beautiful artwork of Christ's regeneration in us. And as always, He receives the Glory.As we receive the victory!
The proper perspective for me is seen in Isaiah 6:5, not as an overview explanation, but an example of it at work in our everyday routine:
"Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips..." When I come into the very presence of God, I do not realize that I am a sinner in an indefinite sense, but I suddenly realize, and the focus of my attention is directed toward the concentration of sin in a particular area of my life. If I stop there and say to myself, "all is well with me for grace covers it all"...at this stage the vicious cycle simply repeats itself, and I become deadened to the conviction of the Lords voice. And the forwardness of Gods victory is held from its natural conclusion in us.
A person will easily say, "Oh yes, I know I am a sinner," but when he comes into the presence of God he cannot get away with such a broad and indefinite statement. Our conviction is focused on our specific sin, and we realize, as Isaiah did,what we really are. This is always the sign that a person is in the presence of God. There is never any vague sense of sin, but rather a focusing on the concentration of sin in some specific, personal area of life. God begins by convicting us of the very thing to which His Spirit has directed our minds attention. If we will surrender, submitting to His conviction of that particular sin, He will lead us down to where He can reveal the vast underlying nature of sin. That is the way God always deals with us when we are consciously aware of His presence.
This experience of our attention being directed to our concentration of personal sin is true in everyone's life, from the greatest of saints to worst of sinners. When a person first begins climbing the ladder of experience, he might say, "I don't know where I've gone wrong," but the Spirit of God will point out some definite and specific thing to him. The affect of Isaiah's vision of the Holiness of the Lord was the directing of his attention to the fact that he was "a man of unclean lips." "He touched my mouth with it, and said: 'Behold, this has touched your lips; your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged'" [6:7]. The cleansing fire had to be applied where the sin had been concentrated. Grace out of balance is robbed of it's finishing work; it is not, then, Gods orchestrated grace at all, it is a "license to sin" as has been repeated many times here. But in balance, it is the foundation to the molding of the clay; His saints, in the beautiful artwork of Christ's regeneration in us. And as always, He receives the Glory.As we receive the victory!
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I imagine jasons belief is, because he doesn't smoke, drink(or drinks little) use foul language, or have extra marital affairs, alongside he goes to church regularly, he may tithe his money, does some good deeds, mixes with like minded people and avidly reads the bible and prays, he is secure with God. For he would also strive to obey biblical commands including the ten commandments. If a sinful thought comes to him he strives to resist it, but if occasionally the thought is given into he immediatley repents of his sin so all is well with him and God, his eternal future in heaven is then not threatened.
That would probably be the majority view of those I have met in church it sounds wonderful according to the letter. However, the letter kills but the spirit gives life.
I like what an earlier poster wrote. Only the holy spirit can reveal the truth of the Gospel message of grace to you.
That would probably be the majority view of those I have met in church it sounds wonderful according to the letter. However, the letter kills but the spirit gives life.
I like what an earlier poster wrote. Only the holy spirit can reveal the truth of the Gospel message of grace to you.
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Do you understand the following...
Heb 10 is speaking to those who would not leave the OT sacrifices for sin and turn to the once and for all sacrifice of (Heb 10:10-12). This once and for all sacrifice for sins, through the offering of the body of Christ, is the one that is being referred to in (v. 26) as the knowledge of the truth. Those who would not leave the OT offering of sins, which were offered every year, if they sinned willfully, there would be no more sacrifice for sins. They would not be able to trust in those yearly sacrifices made by the priest, for those sacrifices could never take away sins (v.11).
They could only be perfected forever through that once and for all sacrifice (v.14). If they sinned willfully, only the offering of the body of Christ would be able to sanctify and perfect them once and for all. There sins would be remitted and there would be no more offering for sin (v.18). Many of the Jews had a problem with this offering that was made by the Lamb of God and would not turn from the old unto the new to be sanctified and made whole. They could only enter into the holiest by the blood of Christ. Sin was not the issue, it was the blood and the sacrifice of Christ that was the issue and they had to turn all the way unto that sacrifice and submit by faith unto the knowledge of that truth which was consecrated for them as a new and living way (v.20).
The Gentiles did not have to worry or have contention about the old system of sacrifice.
Do you understand the following...
Heb 10 is speaking to those who would not leave the OT sacrifices for sin and turn to the once and for all sacrifice of (Heb 10:10-12). This once and for all sacrifice for sins, through the offering of the body of Christ, is the one that is being referred to in (v. 26) as the knowledge of the truth. Those who would not leave the OT offering of sins, which were offered every year, if they sinned willfully, there would be no more sacrifice for sins. They would not be able to trust in those yearly sacrifices made by the priest, for those sacrifices could never take away sins (v.11).
They could only be perfected forever through that once and for all sacrifice (v.14). If they sinned willfully, only the offering of the body of Christ would be able to sanctify and perfect them once and for all. There sins would be remitted and there would be no more offering for sin (v.18). Many of the Jews had a problem with this offering that was made by the Lamb of God and would not turn from the old unto the new to be sanctified and made whole. They could only enter into the holiest by the blood of Christ. Sin was not the issue, it was the blood and the sacrifice of Christ that was the issue and they had to turn all the way unto that sacrifice and submit by faith unto the knowledge of that truth which was consecrated for them as a new and living way (v.20).
The Gentiles did not have to worry or have contention about the old system of sacrifice.
I have chosen not to reply to you before because God has talked to my heart in not replying to you. But again, to inform our other readers here about the truth of God's Word, it is unmistakable to anyone who reads Hebrews 10 in what it says plainly. For Hebrews 10:26-31 says,
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31).
Let's break this down and comment on it. Hebrews 10 goes back and forth between talking about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.The "Knowledge of the Truth" in verse 26 is receiving Jesus Christ as one's savior and repenting of their sins. For Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life (John 14:6). Also, this is clear by the context of the verses before it in verses 19-25. For in verses 19-25 we clearly see that it is talking about Jesus and the New Covenant at this point in the chapter (As the message goes back and forth between the Old and the New). Here are the verses proceeding verse 26 (that make it clear that it is talking about Jesus)."Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised: ) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (Hebrews 10:19-25)." In this passage in Hebrews 10, we see a clear contrast being made here. That person who despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. Then it contrasts it with the New Covenant in troddening under foot the Son of God and sinning despite the Spirit of Grace. And this part of Scripture in Hebrews 10 also makes it clear that it is talking to believers currently. For it is talking in the present tense. For the Lord has yet to stilll judge His people. It is a future act. So it is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. This is a present day reality that will lead all the way up to the Judgment.
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31).
Let's break this down and comment on it. Hebrews 10 goes back and forth between talking about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.The "Knowledge of the Truth" in verse 26 is receiving Jesus Christ as one's savior and repenting of their sins. For Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life (John 14:6). Also, this is clear by the context of the verses before it in verses 19-25. For in verses 19-25 we clearly see that it is talking about Jesus and the New Covenant at this point in the chapter (As the message goes back and forth between the Old and the New). Here are the verses proceeding verse 26 (that make it clear that it is talking about Jesus)."Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised: ) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (Hebrews 10:19-25)." In this passage in Hebrews 10, we see a clear contrast being made here. That person who despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. Then it contrasts it with the New Covenant in troddening under foot the Son of God and sinning despite the Spirit of Grace. And this part of Scripture in Hebrews 10 also makes it clear that it is talking to believers currently. For it is talking in the present tense. For the Lord has yet to stilll judge His people. It is a future act. So it is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. This is a present day reality that will lead all the way up to the Judgment.
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In other words, Hebrews 10:19-25 proceed Hebrews 10:26. We learn that it is talking about Jesus in Hebrews 10:19 because it says we enter the holiest by the blood of Jesus. Then it says, "By a new and living way, which he has consecrated for us." So this is indeed talking about the New Covenant, too (And not exclusively the Old Covenant).
Hebrews 10:26 - To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9. Hebrews 10: 39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
I agree Mailman--2 Peter 1:5 says, "...add to your faith virtue..."
Add means that we have to do something. We are in danger of forgetting that we cannot do what God does, and that God will not do what we can do. Again, a necessary situation for the love relationship premise to exist. We cannot save nor sanctify ourselves--God does that. But God will not give us good habits or character, and He will not force us to walk correctly before Him. We have to do all that ourselves. When we do that God merges Himself into ourselves, making each successive step less and less eventful, yet not less costly. We must "work out" our "own salvation" Which God has worked in us...Philippians 2:12.
Add means that we must get into the habit of doing things, and in the initial stages that is difficult. To take the initiative is to make a beginning--to instruct yourself in the way you must go.
Beware of the tendency to ask the way when you know it perfectly well. Take the initiative--stop hesitating--take the first step. Be determined to act immediately in faith on what God says to you when He speaks, and never reconsider or change your initial decisions. If you hesitate when God tells you to do something, you are being careless, spurning the grace in which you stand. Take the initiative yourself, make a decision of your will right now, and make it impossible for yourself to go back. Burn your bridges behind you, saying, "I will write that letter," or "I will pay that debt." ; and then do it! Make it irrevocable.
We have to get into the habit of carefully listening to God about EVERYTHING, forming the habit of finding out what He says and heeding [not just needing] it. If, when a crisis comes, we instinctually turn to God, we will know that the habit, then, has been formed in us. But we have to take the initiative where we... are... not where we have not yet been. Our "will" will always play a role, regardless of what He does in us, and for us. Regardless of His faithfulness and unconditional love, regardless of our wretchedness. For the new man to be real we must walk toward it, continually. As God does His thing we must do our part. Faith without works is dead.
Add means that we have to do something. We are in danger of forgetting that we cannot do what God does, and that God will not do what we can do. Again, a necessary situation for the love relationship premise to exist. We cannot save nor sanctify ourselves--God does that. But God will not give us good habits or character, and He will not force us to walk correctly before Him. We have to do all that ourselves. When we do that God merges Himself into ourselves, making each successive step less and less eventful, yet not less costly. We must "work out" our "own salvation" Which God has worked in us...Philippians 2:12.
Add means that we must get into the habit of doing things, and in the initial stages that is difficult. To take the initiative is to make a beginning--to instruct yourself in the way you must go.
Beware of the tendency to ask the way when you know it perfectly well. Take the initiative--stop hesitating--take the first step. Be determined to act immediately in faith on what God says to you when He speaks, and never reconsider or change your initial decisions. If you hesitate when God tells you to do something, you are being careless, spurning the grace in which you stand. Take the initiative yourself, make a decision of your will right now, and make it impossible for yourself to go back. Burn your bridges behind you, saying, "I will write that letter," or "I will pay that debt." ; and then do it! Make it irrevocable.
We have to get into the habit of carefully listening to God about EVERYTHING, forming the habit of finding out what He says and heeding [not just needing] it. If, when a crisis comes, we instinctually turn to God, we will know that the habit, then, has been formed in us. But we have to take the initiative where we... are... not where we have not yet been. Our "will" will always play a role, regardless of what He does in us, and for us. Regardless of His faithfulness and unconditional love, regardless of our wretchedness. For the new man to be real we must walk toward it, continually. As God does His thing we must do our part. Faith without works is dead.
Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who continue to sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
We are not to practice our sins, we are not to willingly sin and we are not to continue in our sins.
If you do sin we do have a advocate who will forgive us of our sins.
1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who continue to sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
We are not to practice our sins, we are not to willingly sin and we are not to continue in our sins.
If you do sin we do have a advocate who will forgive us of our sins.
1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
