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prove-all

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-the devil broadcasts his message all around us, looking for someone to listen.


Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,

according to the prince of the power of the air,

the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:



Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
 
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atwhatcost

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carrier pidgeon....I think that's biblical not like sinful, unnatural polyester, it's of the devil...but cotton is okay and linen which is godly
Apparently, God had something against that idea. They've been extinct for 101 years. :p
 
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My big concern is Toilet Paper..........goodness......are we not allowed to have TP in the church? Hey, it's an important question.
I don't think it is Scriptural to have bathrooms in the Holy Building!!!!!

Seriously, many old CoC churches did not allow a kitchen attached to the building (sometimes not even on the property)... so it seems even more fitting & proper that bathrooms be banned, also.
 
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There motto is, "we speak where the Bible speaks and we are silent where the Bible is silent." This has led them to reject musical instruments in church because they don't see where musical instruments are mentioned in the NT.
Well, I know this is just a heathen talking, but I thought the Bible was about God, not people?

And then again, if the writers didn't mention instruments, maybe it's because they too belonged to "The Promise choir." (Old joke. We used to belong to a church called Promise Pres. Not a single one of us could carry a tune. We were so bad, we had to hire a piano player or guitarist just to get us to know where we were supposed to be in the lyrics of the hymn. We were so bad, it made my ears itch and I've been officially diagnosed with tone deafness by an ENT doctor. But we made a joyful noise! We had noise down really well. Ovciously, we couldn't form a choir, so every time I hear someone singing and it's terrible, I say, "They should join the Promise choir.")
 
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There motto is, "we speak where the Bible speaks and we are silent where the Bible is silent." This has led them to reject [FONT=verdana, arial, sans-serif]musical instruments in church because they don't see where musical instruments are mentioned in the NT. [/FONT]
You forget.... "necessary inference." LOL (ALL denominations have their own esoteric ways of "getting around" Scripture they claim is absolutely primary.... but, that they just don't want to have to follow in certain instances.)
 
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atwhatcost

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Thank God for flushing toilets. Just reading about dunghills in the Bible is enough for me. I'd personally rather not encounter one.
Roughly 2.5 million Israelites hung around the mountain for, at least two months, while Moses received the law from God. That was no mere hill. :eek:
 
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Rosesrock

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Sin? Um no. We're commanded to spread the gospel. Didn't say how
 
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Roughly 2.5 million Israelites hung around the mountain for, at least two months, while Moses received the law from God. That was no mere hill. :eek:
Many of their encampments were situated in one spot for a year, or more. Eeeek!
 

mailmandan

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I'm familiar with their beliefs regarding musical instruments
I've heard people who attend the church of Christ make such statements as, "nowhere is it recorded in the first century church using mechanical musical instruments and for anyone to add it on your own is will-worship" yet in Ephesians 5:19, we read - "..speaking to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.." and correspondingly Colossians 3:16 says to, "..admonish one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." The word "psalm" in the Greek dictionary, definition (#5568): "A set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp, or other instrument)." The root word of psalm is "psallo" which means to means "to twitch, twang or pluck," such as pluck a string of a musical instrument.

Even in the perfect worship of heaven they use harps to aid their praise to God - And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth (Revelation 14:2-3).

In the Old Testament, we read in 2 Chronicles 5:11-14 - And it came to pass when the priests came out of the Most Holy Place (for all the priests who were present had sanctified themselves, without keeping to their divisions), and the Levites who were the singers, all those of Asaph and Heman and Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, stood at the east end of the altar, clothed in white linen, having cymbals, stringed instruments and harps, and with them one hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets-- indeed it came to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord, and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the Lord, saying: "For He is good, For His mercy endures forever.."

If the church of Christ (or any other church) wants to leave out musical instruments in their worship, that is their prerogative. But I don't believe that it's right for them to judge and condemn everyone else who chooses to use musical instruments like David did, as the angels in heaven do and as the apostle Paul instructed.
 
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purgedconscience

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I've heard people who attend the church of Christ make such statements as, "nowhere is it recorded in the first century church using mechanical musical instruments and for anyone to add it on your own is will-worship" yet in Ephesians 5:19, we read - "..speaking to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.." and correspondingly Colossians 3:16 says to, "..admonish one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." The word "psalm" in the Greek dictionary, definition (#5568): "A set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp, or other instrument)." The root word of psalm is "psallo" which means to means "to twitch, twang or pluck," such as pluck a string of a musical instrument.

Even in the perfect worship of heaven they use harps to aid their praise to God - And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth (Revelation 14:2-3).

In the Old Testament, we read in 2 Chronicles 5:11-14 - And it came to pass when the priests came out of the Most Holy Place (for all the priests who were present had sanctified themselves, without keeping to their divisions), and the Levites who were the singers, all those of Asaph and Heman and Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, stood at the east end of the altar, clothed in white linen, having cymbals, stringed instruments and harps, and with them one hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets-- indeed it came to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord, and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the Lord, saying: "For He is good, For His mercy endures forever.."

If the church of Christ (or any other church) wants to leave out musical instruments in their worship, that is their prerogative. But I don't believe that it's right for them to judge and condemn everyone else who chooses to use musical instruments like David did, as the angels in heaven do and as the apostle Paul instructed.
I only said that I am familiar with their beliefs. I don't agree with them.
 

posthuman

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we've even had a CoC guy on here go so far as arguing that David himself was blaspheming when he wrote the Psalms and set them to the music of his harp, and that the use of musical instruments in the temple worship was the basic sin & reason that the Jews went into captivity.

at least he was carrying his false teaching all the way to it's necessary conclusions . . . like a fully grown tare!