Are being around dead people and menstruation sin?

[atwhatcost]

Now before you give the knee-jerk reaction (I'm having too lol), hear me out. Back in Leviticus, I remember reading that a woman was supposed to stay away from everyone else and do purifying rituals connected to her period because she was unclean. And then after giving birth, she was still unclean until she did the purification thing, and brought two turtle doves (or two pigeons) to the priest. One was a thanksgiving offering and the other a sin offering.

And then the high priest weren't allowed any where near a dead body, or they had to clean up and sacrifice a sin offering too.

Now, I'm still learning about the Nazirites. If someone dies near them "very suddenly" or they even accidentally get near a dead body, the promise they made had to start all over again -- shave the head, purify, and bring two turtle doves for sacrifice -- one as a sin offering and one as a thanksgiving offering, just like the moms had to do, after they became moms.

Now, I'm remembering that three punishments happen when we sin against God: separation from him, death, and hell. They are always necessary punishments, even for those of us saved. Our only difference is Jesus took those punishments for us, but they were given.

So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture. So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? Even the sin we could help, we did anyway.

 

[just-me]

Now before you give the knee-jerk reaction (I'm having too lol), hear me out. Back in Leviticus, I remember reading that a woman was supposed to stay away from everyone else and do purifying rituals connected to her period because she was unclean. And then after giving birth, she was still unclean until she did the purification thing, and brought two turtle doves (or two pigeons) to the priest. One was a thanksgiving offering and the other a sin offering.

And then the high priest weren't allowed any where near a dead body, or they had to clean up and sacrifice a sin offering too.

Now, I'm still learning about the Nazirites. If someone dies near them "very suddenly" or they even accidentally get near a dead body, the promise they made had to start all over again -- shave the head, purify, and bring two turtle doves for sacrifice -- one as a sin offering and one as a thanksgiving offering, just like the moms had to do, after they became moms.

Now, I'm remembering that three punishments happen when we sin against God: separation from him, death, and hell. They are always necessary punishments, even for those of us saved. Our only difference is Jesus took those punishments for us, but they were given.

So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture. So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? Even the sin we could help, we did anyway.

Adopting the ways of a spiriaully dead individual renders a person unclean even if they are a child of God. It happens all the time. It's the doctrine of Balaam in short, and to the point. Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication." This all has spiritual relevance and significance. An idol can be as simple as a cell phone these days, if it takes a persons mind soul and heart away from communicating with God through Christ Jesus.

 

[atwhatcost]

Adopting the ways of a spiriaully dead individual renders a person unclean even if they are a child of God. It happens all the time. It's the doctrine of Balaam in short, and to the point. Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication." This all has spiritual relevance and significance. An idol can be as simple as a cell phone these days, if it takes a persons mind soul and heart away from communicating with God through Christ Jesus.

But this isn't about spiritual death, it's about physical death. 95% of the time we're around dead people, no idolatry takes place. (The 5% are those times when we reinvent the dead into perfection -- like only remembering the good things of the dead person and getting really upset if anyone mentions a fault the person had. Usually related to "my saintly mother would say" kinds of sentences.) I'm really asking about the physicals here. Sin is so inborn in us, I can see it manifesting physically, as this question is suggesting.

 

[just-me]

But this isn't about spiritual death, it's about physical death. 95% of the time we're around dead people, no idolatry takes place. (The 5% are those times when we reinvent the dead into perfection -- like only remembering the good things of the dead person and getting really upset if anyone mentions a fault the person had. Usually related to "my saintly mother would say" kinds of sentences.) I'm really asking about the physicals here. Sin is so inborn in us, I can see it manifesting physically, as this question is suggesting.

Our Almighty God (through Christ) created all things physical and Spiritual in relationship. His divine providence gave us the physical to be able to understand the Spiritual. It's an allegory. It's just like the Old Covenant of the physical came first for us to understand the Spiritual significance of the New Covenant. Being around dead people and the cause of menstruation is not sin, but in both cases it is necessary to take action for physical cleanness as to not have any chance of spreading a potential infectious disease. There is a relationship between physical and spiritual cleanliness. See Leviticus chapter 14 and see the relationship between the priest and Christ.

 

[atwhatcost]

Our Almighty God (through Christ) created all things physical and Spiritual in relationship. His divine providence gave us the physical to be able to understand the Spiritual. It's an allegory. It's just like the Old Covenant of the physical came first for us to understand the Spiritual significance of the New Covenant. Being around dead people and the cause of menstruation is not sin, but in both cases it is necessary to take action for physical cleanness as to not have any chance of spreading a potential infectious disease. There is a relationship between physical and spiritual cleanliness. See Leviticus chapter 14 and see the relationship between the priest and Christ.

Wait, are you saying leprosy was an allegory? I'm pretty sure the lepers didn't see that. lol

(I'm really thinking I don't get what you mean. I see the OT both as real and as a shadow of Christ, but a shadow, not an allegory.)

 

[just-me]

Wait, are you saying leprosy was an allegory? I'm pretty sure the lepers didn't see that. lol

(I'm really thinking I don't get what you mean. I see the OT both as real and as a shadow of Christ, but a shadow, not an allegory.)

The "law of leprosy" is an Old Testament physical explanation of New Testament spiritual cleansing. The "law of leprosy" is not an allegory by itself, but is a part of the law using Hagar relative to mount Sinai and then Sarah as an allegory as a whole. The shadow is the physical allegory of Spiritual reality. The priest involved with the "law of leprosy" is more of an allegory than the leprosy all by itself. God uses the 2nd to complete His perfect will, laying the foundation by the 1st for our understanding of the 2nd. That's as best as I can explain it.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

A lot of the old rules made by God in the OT are no longer relevant, they were relevant for that time and in that culture. I can think of a few; these arguments get thrown my way when talking about the sin of homosexuality:
1. Not eating pork makes perfect sense as it goes off quickly in hot weather and even in Britain where the weather never gets too hot before refrigeration we never ate pork in months with no "r" in them. God was protecting His people.
2. Not wearing mixed fibres also makes perfect sense in hot weather.
3. Not going near dead bodies simply protects from disease.
I'm not sure why a woman would be unclean during menstruation, perhaps hygiene was dubious as with the woman who was considered unclean when she had a problem with bleeding and approached Jesus for healing. I would imagine it was similar after giving birth. There are still many diseases that can be contracted through blood and body fluids - the most obvious one being HIV/aids.

The one that completely baffles me is why a woman is considered unclean for longer after delivering a daughter!

 

[Miri]

Hi Lynn,

I think the story of the good Samaritan touched upon this in respect of the concept
of death.

I have heard people say that the Priest and Pharasee passed by because they
did not want to become unclean by possibly touching a dead body.

But the Samaritan who was despised, was the one to offer help in time of
need.

 

[Miri]

Ps regarding the issue of blood, there was the woman who bled for a long time
and had spent all her money seeking a cure. She must have been rejected by
everyone due to her physical ailment. So much so that she did not even consider
herself worthy to speak to Jesus, but thought just a touch of his garment was
all she could hope to achieve.

The result, her faith healed her. Jesus did not rebuke her, he did the opposite
he publically restored her. Again this completely went against all tradition.

 

[valiant]

Now before you give the knee-jerk reaction (I'm having too lol), hear me out. Back in Leviticus, I remember reading that a woman was supposed to stay away from everyone else and do purifying rituals connected to her period because she was unclean. And then after giving birth, she was still unclean until she did the purification thing, and brought two turtle doves (or two pigeons) to the priest. One was a thanksgiving offering and the other a sin offering.

And then the high priest weren't allowed any where near a dead body, or they had to clean up and sacrifice a sin offering too.

Now, I'm still learning about the Nazirites. If someone dies near them "very suddenly" or they even accidentally get near a dead body, the promise they made had to start all over again -- shave the head, purify, and bring two turtle doves for sacrifice -- one as a sin offering and one as a thanksgiving offering, just like the moms had to do, after they became moms.

Now, I'm remembering that three punishments happen when we sin against God: separation from him, death, and hell. They are always necessary punishments, even for those of us saved. Our only difference is Jesus took those punishments for us, but they were given.

So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture. So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? Even the sin we could help, we did anyway.

we must differentiate 'uncleanness' from sin. uncleanness was not sinful although it was religiously defiling. If you look at most of the creatures which were unclean they were ones that could easily cause poisoning and worse. e.g. wild pigs pass on worms and pork goes off quickly in hot weather without fridges. They were all creatures who lived and ate in unwholesome environments. in an undiscerning non medical world dead bodies can cause disease and death. by not being forced to go out among people a menstruating woman was protected at a vulnerable time (she could not be made to work alongside others for example.). we may not know why a female needs a longer clearance period than a male afterbirth. But I'm sure God does.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Now before you give the knee-jerk reaction (I'm having too lol), hear me out. Back in Leviticus, I remember reading that a woman was supposed to stay away from everyone else and do purifying rituals connected to her period because she was unclean. And then after giving birth, she was still unclean until she did the purification thing, and brought two turtle doves (or two pigeons) to the priest. One was a thanksgiving offering and the other a sin offering.

And then the high priest weren't allowed any where near a dead body, or they had to clean up and sacrifice a sin offering too.

Now, I'm still learning about the Nazirites. If someone dies near them "very suddenly" or they even accidentally get near a dead body, the promise they made had to start all over again -- shave the head, purify, and bring two turtle doves for sacrifice -- one as a sin offering and one as a thanksgiving offering, just like the moms had to do, after they became moms.

Now, I'm remembering that three punishments happen when we sin against God: separation from him, death, and hell. They are always necessary punishments, even for those of us saved. Our only difference is Jesus took those punishments for us, but they were given.

So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture. So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? Even the sin we could help, we did anyway.

John 6:63
king James version(kjv)

63.)It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[atwhatcost]

The "law of leprosy" is an Old Testament physical explanation of New Testament spiritual cleansing. The "law of leprosy" is not an allegory by itself, but is a part of the law using Hagar relative to mount Sinai and then Sarah as an allegory as a whole. The shadow is the physical allegory of Spiritual reality. The priest involved with the "law of leprosy" is more of an allegory than the leprosy all by itself. God uses the 2nd to complete His perfect will, laying the foundation by the 1st for our understanding of the 2nd. That's as best as I can explain it.

Don't take this as an insult, but I've never got allegories unless they're really obvious. Even The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe gave me a headache when I tried to work out all the allegories. And some say Lord of the Rings is an allegory. Well, if it is I totally missed it. I don't even get some of Jesus' stories. (What are those plants that died because of rocky soil? Believers or not? Oy vey! lol) So, I'm going to need to understand this without allegories.

 

[atwhatcost]

A lot of the old rules made by God in the OT are no longer relevant, they were relevant for that time and in that culture. I can think of a few; these arguments get thrown my way when talking about the sin of homosexuality:
1. Not eating pork makes perfect sense as it goes off quickly in hot weather and even in Britain where the weather never gets too hot before refrigeration we never ate pork in months with no "r" in them. God was protecting His people.
2. Not wearing mixed fibres also makes perfect sense in hot weather.
3. Not going near dead bodies simply protects from disease.
I'm not sure why a woman would be unclean during menstruation, perhaps hygiene was dubious as with the woman who was considered unclean when she had a problem with bleeding and approached Jesus for healing. I would imagine it was similar after giving birth. There are still many diseases that can be contracted through blood and body fluids - the most obvious one being HIV/aids.

The one that completely baffles me is why a woman is considered unclean for longer after delivering a daughter!

So unclean isn't sin? It's just Ew, ew! kind of like touching a live roach? So where's the sin that required a sin sacrifice? I really don't want to see a dead body, but if I happen to be at an intersection when someone is killed by a car, I didn't sin. And having a baby isn't sin. (Possibly how I got pregnant was, but that was nine months before hand, so if it was, I should have repented then.)

 

[atwhatcost]

Hi Lynn,

I think the story of the good Samaritan touched upon this in respect of the concept
of death.

I have heard people say that the Priest and Pharasee passed by because they
did not want to become unclean by possibly touching a dead body.

But the Samaritan who was despised, was the one to offer help in time of
need.

Well, in truth, the turtle dove thing was for poor folks. I'm poor. I'm not sure of the inflation rates and exchange rates in the past 2000 years, but if a turtle dove cost a penny back when Jesus was on earth, then let's say it would easily cost $20 now. Whoa doggie! I'd think twice before wanting to see if that person really is dead, because buying a turtledove for something I didn't sin about sounds like a good deal of money to me. True. Not a good deal of money when it comes to Internet access, but I'm still selfish to a degree, so don't want to spend money on un-fun stuff. I think I would check. (I'm pretty sure I would.) But, if he were dead, I'd be annoyed for having to pay for that. It wasn't my fault! Why am I paying for something that's not my fault?

And, I'd probably be very irritated if I had a baby. That's not fault/sin! That's a very good thing in God's will. So, back to why is that sin offering worthy? I think I may be missing how deep sin is that somehow that becomes fault.

 

[valiant]

So unclean isn't sin? It's just Ew, ew! kind of like touching a live roach? So where's the sin that required a sin sacrifice? I really don't want to see a dead body, but if I happen to be at an intersection when someone is killed by a car, I didn't sin. And having a baby isn't sin. (Possibly how I got pregnant was, but that was nine months before hand, so if it was, I should have repented then.)

uncleanness did not require offerings and sacrifice. it was removed by the passage of time. But a baby who comes into the world is tainted by a sinful nature. Thus the need for a sin sacrifice.

 

[MaggieMye]

"So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture Seriously?? Having children a sin??? Do you KNOW the Lord??? The God that CREATED US TO MULTIPLY?? Do you know understand the price that Christ paid or that the covering of His blood renders one SINLESS??So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? There is NO type of sin that can't be helped. While there is sin done in ignorance, once the fact that the act is is in made known as sin, all that is needed is repentance. BECAUSE BELIEVERS now have the covering of Christ's shed blood, we are protected from the hazards of being around dead bodies....not to mention that our methods of dealing with the dead are now very much different and sterile than back in Biblical times. Same for menstruation. Dead bodies back then easily became a source of disease, which is one of the reason ppl were to stay away from them. It was the reason that anyone having contact with the dead had to be secluded for a time was to see if they would get sick. Menstrual blood was also not a sanitary thing and the methods of dealing with it back then not so good either....blood attracts BUGS for one thing. Simply, it was COMMON SENSE that God put forth...basic instruction for not exposing oneself to opportunity for disease.
But to think that child birth, a function which God created IS SIN??? He would never tell us to sin!!!

 

[valiant]

"So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture Seriously?? Having children a sin??? Do you KNOW the Lord??? The God that CREATED US TO MULTIPLY?? Do you know understand the price that Christ paid or that the covering of His blood renders one SINLESS??So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? There is NO type of sin that can't be helped. While there is sin done in ignorance, once the fact that the act is is in made known as sin, all that is needed is repentance. BECAUSE BELIEVERS now have the covering of Christ's shed blood, we are protected from the hazards of being around dead bodies....not to mention that our methods of dealing with the dead are now very much different and sterile than back in Biblical times. Same for menstruation. Dead bodies back then easily became a source of disease, which is one of the reason ppl were to stay away from them. It was the reason that anyone having contact with the dead had to be secluded for a time was to see if they would get sick. Menstrual blood was also not a sanitary thing and the methods of dealing with it back then not so good either....blood attracts BUGS for one thing. Simply, it was COMMON SENSE that God put forth...basic instruction for not exposing oneself to opportunity for disease.
But to think that child birth, a function which God created IS SIN??? He would never tell us to sin!!!

Since the fall EVERYTHING that man does is affected by sin, and birth was directly affected..

But you should let God know that He had no right to ask for a sin offering after the birth of a baby. He would be interested to know

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The shadow is the physical allegory of Spiritual reality. The priest involved with the "law of leprosy" is more of an allegory than the leprosy all by itself. God uses the 2nd to complete His perfect will, laying the foundation by the 1st for our understanding of the 2nd. That's as best as I can explain it.

Yes, the Lord often shows things in a natural way first to be reflective of the true spiritual things. Only those who have the veil of the flesh removed from their minds by the Holy Spirit can truly see and hear what the Spirit is saying in the spiritual law.

The law is spiritual, but the mind of man is carnal, therefore the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[atwhatcost]

John 6:63
king James version(kjv)

63.)It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

On a scale of 1-10, where 10 is "I completely get that." I'd have to score that verse a 0 for "I totally didn't get how it's connected." Sorry.

 

[atwhatcost]

"So I'm wondering now if death, "that time of the month," and delivering a baby are all sins too, but we simply gave up seeing it that way because that's no longer a part of our culture Seriously?? Having children a sin??? Do you KNOW the Lord??? The God that CREATED US TO MULTIPLY?? Do you know understand the price that Christ paid or that the covering of His blood renders one SINLESS??So, I'm really asking, Are being around the dead and menstruation sin too? Not a type of sin we can help, but then again, does that really matter? There is NO type of sin that can't be helped. While there is sin done in ignorance, once the fact that the act is is in made known as sin, all that is needed is repentance. BECAUSE BELIEVERS now have the covering of Christ's shed blood, we are protected from the hazards of being around dead bodies....not to mention that our methods of dealing with the dead are now very much different and sterile than back in Biblical times. Same for menstruation. Dead bodies back then easily became a source of disease, which is one of the reason ppl were to stay away from them. It was the reason that anyone having contact with the dead had to be secluded for a time was to see if they would get sick. Menstrual blood was also not a sanitary thing and the methods of dealing with it back then not so good either....blood attracts BUGS for one thing. Simply, it was COMMON SENSE that God put forth...basic instruction for not exposing oneself to opportunity for disease.
But to think that child birth, a function which God created IS SIN??? He would never tell us to sin!!!

Gee. Thanks for your own personal interpretation of what I was asking and then your own personal gospel as a reply. Really really. Emotional reactions don't do a thing for me, especially when you simply missed my question. I'm here to learn, not to have you browbeat me for stuff I never said. Sorry, I don't browbeat easily, and if it works, it has to be from someone who understands me enough for it to work.