Do Women Still Need To Obey Men?

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convallaria

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I heard someone say the other day, that his marriage was suffering because his wife would not submit to him. When I heard the details of the rift between them, my first thought was that she had a very good reason.
Both born again believers, the woman felt her husband had strayed from what is godly and was laying down the law in a harsh and unyielding manner.
It got me thinking, are there Christian women today who will still obey their husbands even though they know it would be wrong to do so? Surely we have a duty to speak up and protest if what our husbands demand is clearly out of the will of God?
I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
 
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convallaria said:
I heard someone say the other day, that his marriage was suffering because his wife would not submit to him. When I heard the details of the rift between them, my first thought was that she had a very good reason.
Both born again believers, the woman felt her husband had strayed from what is godly and was laying down the law in a harsh and unyielding manner.
It got me thinking, are there Christian women today who will still obey their husbands even though they know it would be wrong to do so? Surely we have a duty to speak up and protest if what our husbands demand is clearly out of the will of God?
I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
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Hello Convallaria. Well its not wrong if God tells you to do it. truth of the matter, Its only wrong because many women don't like the idea of submitting to there husbands and find it hard to accept. However, husbands has to play there role in a good marriage too so its not all plain sailing for husbands either. So its about balance between both husband and wife according to the simple guidelines that God has put out.

If you read in the bible its says clearly in:

Ephesians 5:22-33

Wife's Role:
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Husbands role:
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing[ her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
 
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convallaria said:
I heard someone say the other day, that his marriage was suffering because his wife would not submit to him. When I heard the details of the rift between them, my first thought was that she had a very good reason.
Both born again believers, the woman felt her husband had strayed from what is godly and was laying down the law in a harsh and unyielding manner.
It got me thinking, are there Christian women today who will still obey their husbands even though they know it would be wrong to do so? Surely we have a duty to speak up and protest if what our husbands demand is clearly out of the will of God?
I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
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You might want to have a look at This (Page 5-> for your specific question)...

Yahweh Shalom
 
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sunnysky31

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Agree with Richie. It takes two to make a Godly marriage work.
 
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the ORDER is that Christ is subject to His Father, the Church is subject to Christ, and the wife is subject to the husband.
children are subject to their parents - and the people are subject to those in charge - but in scripture there are exceptions.

1Samuel 25, tells the story of Abigail, David, and Abigail's husband -
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The name of the man was Nabal, and the name of his wife Abigail. And she was a woman of good understanding
and beautiful in appearance; but the man was harsh and evil in his doings.

the account goes on to tell how Abigail outwardly disobeyed her husband because he would not hear good council -
but in so doing, she saved her whole household.

we cannot accept or obey that which is evil -
as it is written: should we obey God or man?
 
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Rather than obeying the husband obey God. marriage is an equal partnership when you are married the idea God had was that you become one not one above the other because that would require two separate people.
 
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I agree with everyone and would like to add that Ipersonally had no clue how to truly fulfill my role as a husband or fatherbefore I was regenerated. I thought I did, and more than that the world told meI was doing a great job. The truth is I wasn't at all and was completely blindto that fact. Until God truly opened my eyes I had no idea how to be a"good" husband, so I agree 3000% it takes the husband, wife, andputting God first where He belongs.
 
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When we look at the bible, both old and new testaments, we realize that they emerged from an extremely patriarchal society. This society devalued women to the extent that they were not even considered to be persons before the law. Not only were they devalued but they were in many ways considered to be of inferior intellect and of a carnal nature even moreso than the male. Today we know that women are the intellectual and spiritual equals of men in every respect except physical size and strength. Jesus himself seems to gave been largely gender blind in that he numbered women among his disciples and apostles and even close friends. Paul, at first, appears conflicted until we realize that the pastoral epistles (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus) were actually written pseudonomously some 60 years after Paul's death. This was more than enough time for patriarchy to once again take charge. In my personal opinion patriarchy just might be the ugliest evil that humanity has ever inflicted on itself. It still exerts its malevolent influence in some circles even today. As a Christian I am convinced that we should make every effort to ensure the full equality of women in every aspect of the life of our churches and in society at large.

Any organization, religious or secular and including marriage, that fails to include women in leadership role
right up to the very top is guilty of several evils. First, it is the insult to the women themselves by viewing
them as less worthy. Second, it is the insult to God by denigrating half of God’s creation. If we continue to
treat women in this way, then the human race is condemned to stand on one foot, see with one eye, hear
with one ear and think with one half the human mind ---- and it shows.
 
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Yes, the bible doesnt have wives submit ....but
Just like children obey your parents in the Lord for this is right.....it doest say children obey only if they are right

God's word is our instruction manual. When we think situatuonal ethics, that's when we get into trouble
 
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Look at the 21st verse. It says submit to each other.
 
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convallaria

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Wow great responses from all, thanks a lot! The example of Abigail is useful to me, and I liked what is said about a good marriage being husband wife and God. Also it was quite a challenging but insightful piece on what happens in a patriarchal society. I understand that when Paul wrote his epistles it was to a very different culture and anthropology. I have been in a situation when I was so desperate to hear God through a Spirit-filled preacher, when a sister kept rabbitting in my ear and stopping me ... so I sure agreed with Paul then about women keeping silence LOL!!

My own thinking on this and the person whose problem it is, is that if you have to assert and/or enforce authority, then it probably isn't Godly authority, because I am pretty sure that God doesn't violate our free will. If a couple are both born again then there must be a peaceful place of unity possible by agreeing with what God says, as many of you pointed out. Also we know that in Christ there is no male or female, so in Christ we are equal. If we are talking about a marriage where one is saved and the other isn't, then the equality doesn't even arise in the spiritual sense.

I have heard some horror stories about pastors who actually abused their authority over women and even children in an horrendous manner, and got away with it by not allowing their authority to be challenged. In perilous times such as we have now, unfortunately we need to equip and inform the vulnerable, sensitively, so that they don't become victims themselves of abuse.
 
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The women being silent in church is taken out of its context. When Paul wrote these letters, he was specifically addressing the churches Corinth and Ephesus.
 
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