Who´s God´s chosen people?

Jesus4ever · Jul 16, 2015

Dear brethren,

I have some questions I´d like to see clarified biblically speaking. Although this subject may be highly debatable, I have no interest for it to be problematic. And I must clearly state that, thank God, I don´t hate nor even have any king of negative sentiments toward Jews. I feel compassion for them.

The question here is that some state that God´s covenant is irrevocable, others state that they were no longer God´s chosen people in the end of O.T., others that they stopped being when they rejected Christ.

Having said this, here are my questions (would ask for biblical support, please):

- a) Are Jews still God´s chosen people?
- b) If not, are we (Christians) His chosen people, now?
- c) Will the Jews have any kind of role in the future, and can they be saved?

Thank you, dear brothers and sisters!

God bless you!

valiant · Jul 16, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

Only the remnant of Israel who believed in the Messiah, who were then joined by many Gentile believers in the Messiah, forming the true Israel. (Rom 11.12-24; Eph 2.12-22; 1 Peter 2.9).

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Yes as explained in a).

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If they repent and believe in their Messiah Jesus Christ they will be saved and united with His church, thus having a future.

psalm6819 · Jul 16, 2015

Yes, yes and yes but I don't wanna fight so.......

crossnote · Jul 16, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

Dear brethren,

I have some questions I´d like to see clarified biblically speaking. Although this subject may be highly debatable, I have no interest for it to be problematic. And I must clearly state that, thank God, I don´t hate nor even have any king of negative sentiments toward Jews. I feel compassion for them.

The question here is that some state that God´s covenant is irrevocable, others state that they were no longer God´s chosen people in the end of O.T., others that they stopped being when they rejected Christ.

Having said this, here are my questions (would ask for biblical support, please):

- a) Are Jews still God´s chosen people?
- b) If not, are we (Christians) His chosen people, now?
- c) Will the Jews have any kind of role in the future, and can they be saved?

Thank you, dear brothers and sisters!

God bless you!

A. Yes
B. Yes, but have not replaced the 'chosenness of Jews'
C. Yes, mainly Jacob's Trouble, and many will end up believing.

atwhatcost · Jul 16, 2015

God's people are the elect -- the ones the Father chose, the ones Jesus saved by dying for, and the ones the Holy Spirit enables to do God's will.

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves.44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

And, yupper, God's people are some Jews. Many Israelites were God's people. Some of them still are, but they have to accept who the Messiah is, since no one follows the Law. We come from all nations, all peoples, all backgrounds, but it comes down to whom God elects. So, righto. He never broke his covenant. The first covenant was broken by Man, so he made a new one. Between Father and Son, or God and God. That one, once he proved we can't keep it, is the one that will never be broken.

Jesus4ever · Jul 16, 2015

psalm6819 said:

Ok, sister!

Jesus4ever · Jul 16, 2015

And of course, we have messianic jews...!

dcontroversal · Jul 16, 2015

It would seem that God's chosen people are any and all who exercise faith in every age........

GracethroughfaithinChrist · Jul 16, 2015

Romans 8:29-30
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

LT · Jul 16, 2015

To answer #1, I would have to know who the Jews are. The world tells me one thing, and the Bible says another.

#2 is an undebatable YES

#3 has two parts. The first being contingent upon the counter-question I posed for #1,
and the second part, regardless of the previous answer, is an undebatable YES.

clarkthompson · Jul 17, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

Dear brethren,

I have some questions I´d like to see clarified biblically speaking. Although this subject may be highly debatable, I have no interest for it to be problematic. And I must clearly state that, thank God, I don´t hate nor even have any king of negative sentiments toward Jews. I feel compassion for them.

The question here is that some state that God´s covenant is irrevocable, others state that they were no longer God´s chosen people in the end of O.T., others that they stopped being when they rejected Christ.

Having said this, here are my questions (would ask for biblical support, please):

- a) Are Jews still God´s chosen people?
- b) If not, are we (Christians) His chosen people, now?
- c) Will the Jews have any kind of role in the future, and can they be saved?

Thank you, dear brothers and sisters!

God bless you!

I think you can easily go to scripture to show that any believe is chosen by God but God also chose Israel.

oldthennew · Jul 17, 2015

1PETER2:9

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness
into is marvelous Light..
15.
...For so is the will of God that with well doing you may put to silence the ignorance of men:
16.
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

JOHN15:16.
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
19.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world,
but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

PS.33:12.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 17, 2015

Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

sassylady · Jul 17, 2015

God's covenant with Israel has never changed. They are still the chosen, and we have Christ because of them. Christians are the ones grafted in, the Jews are not grafted into Christianity.

Saint-John · Jul 17, 2015

God will deal with both national and spiritual Israel

valiant · Jul 17, 2015

sassylady said:

But unbelieving Jews ARE cut off from Israel on the same basis. In the end God's covenant was with the election of Israel (the Israel within Israel) as Paul made clear. And believing Gentiles joined with them forming the true Israel

DiscipleDave · Jul 17, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

The branch of the Jews has been removed from the Olive Tree. Christians are now the chosen branch that has been grafted into the Olive Tree.
Concerning the Jews though, Gods promises do not come back void. So even now a remnant of the Jews shall be Saved. But much must happen first. The Jews to this day is waiting for the Messiah to return and rescue them from all their enemies. These same will profess the anti-christ as the Son of God, the Messiah, their God. When He does that which he will do in the Temple, they will know the error of their ways, and repent, many will know and understand the Scriptures which foretold them what they would do concerning the anti-christ, and they were a part of it, this will convince many that Jesus was indeed the True Messiah. A remnant of them shall then be grafted back in the Olive Tree at that time, these will abide where Jerusalem once was, but under the Holy City. But these are not a part of the 144,000 that will make it through the Tribulation Period, they are children born after the Rapture, but these Jews who were grafted back in, will be killed because they will refuse to get the mark of the residing government of those days.
So to answer again

- a) Are Jews still God´s chosen people? NO, their branch is cut off.
- b) If not, are we (Christians) His chosen people, now? Yes, our branch is grafted in.
- c) Will the Jews have any kind of role in the future, and can they be saved? Yes, and a remnant shall be grafted back in.

^i^ Responding to OP

crossnote · Jul 17, 2015

Romans 9:4-5 (KJV)
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9:4-5 (NET)
4 who are Israelites. To them belong the adoption as sons, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the temple worship, and the promises.
5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, by human descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.

ROM 9:4-5 (Wuest)who in character are Israelites, who are possessors of the position of a son by having been placed as such, and of the glory, and of the covenants, and to whom was given the law, and who are possessors of the sacred service and the promises, of whom are the fathers, and out from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, the One who is above all, God eulogized forever. Amen.

Notice the present tenses in the above verses.e.g."who are Israelites", not 'were'.

Is · Jul 17, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

The majority of Messianic Jews are Gentile wanna be's and not ethic Jews.

valiant · Jul 17, 2015

Is said:

There are in fact very few who can claim to be ethnic Jews. And large numbers of Jews in Jesus' day were not demonstrably ethnic Jews.

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