truth about the sabbath

mailmandan · Feb 25, 2018

I've heard SDA's say that Isaiah 66:23 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath and forever in the new heaven. If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven as well - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” Isaiah 66:23. *Let's be consistent.

Sabbatarians have the Jewish new moon festival observances in heaven based on the above text. If you insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then you also need to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. hmm.. That’s inconsistent. Are New moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? NO.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Will there be Levital Priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in heaven, because it is also mentioned. Sabbatarians have Levitical priests in heaven Isaiah 66:21? What happened to the Levitical Priesthood under the New Covenant terms? It was changed. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

mailmandan · Feb 25, 2018

When God wanted to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's argue that the Sabbath Day of Colossians 2:16 could not be referring to the weekly Sabbath and is only referring to the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals". The "year, month week" pattern is so well established in the Old Testament, that Colossians 2:16 must refer to the weekly Sabbath. Notice, even Galatians 4:10 follows this same pattern.

1 Chronicles 23:31- yearly (fixed festivals) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbaths)
2 Chronicles 2:4 - yearly (appointed feasts) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbaths)
2 Chronicles 8:13 - yearly (annual feasts) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbaths)
2 Chronicles 31:3 - yearly (fixed festivals) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbaths)
Nehemiah 10:33 - yearly (appointed times) monthly (new moon) weekly (Sabbaths)
Isaiah 1:13-14 - yearly (appointed feasts) monthly (new moon) weekly (Sabbaths)
Ezekiel 45:17 - yearly (appointed feasts) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbaths)
Ezekiel 46:1-11 - yearly (appointed feasts) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbath)
Hosea 2:11 - yearly (festal assemblies) monthly (new moons) weekly (Sabbath)
Galatians 4:10 - years months days
Colossians 2:16 - festival new moon Sabbath day

JesusLives · Feb 25, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Your proof is where?

Nehemiah6 · Feb 25, 2018

JesusLives said:

There is absolutely no mention of the sabbath and its observance until we get to Exodus 16:23 (which involves the Israelites). And God made it crystal clear that the sabbath was for Israel -- a sign between God and Israel.

Sabbatarians today seem forget this very important and critical passage in Exodus 31:12-18:

12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

JesusLives · Feb 25, 2018

There are more than just Seventh Day Adventist who worship on Sabbath. The Bible clearly states when God set up the Sabbath back in Creation before any Jews were around. Of course Adam and Eve celebrated the Sabbath with God the first one that was since man was created on the 6th day and God rested on the seventh...

Do you think He said to Adam and Eve you guys go away and leave me alone to rest it's My Sabbath? Of course not. They probably went all over the garden and enjoyed the things God had created together and talked and had a real live relationship the way God intended the Sabbath to be kept.

The way everyone talks about keeping ALL THE LAWS sound just like all the religious leaders in Jesus day. Do you really think that God said don't walk more than so many feet on the Sabbath day? That was a man made law along with lots of other restrictions that man put on other men.

Gods Sabbath law was stated simply in a few short verses in Exodus 20 and no fire burning or length of walking are listed. Men in the past and men of the future try to make the Sabbath hard to keep but it isn't. It is clearly one of the 10 commandments that God wrote in stone with His own finger and also spoke them from the mountain.

It is easy to see what God's truth is look at what the majority of the world does and believes then look at the narrow way spoken about there you will find the truth because broad is the way that leads to destruction but narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few find it because the majority follows after the world.

God's law isn't done away with it has been fulfilled through Jesus as Jesus did for us what we were not capable of doing for ourselves. But God's law still stands if it didn't the world would be in chaos real chaos. Everyone would feel free to murder, lie, and so on. Those who follow God's will/law keep the peace and do what He has asked us to do out of love and loyalty not out of reward and earning our own salvation as that is not possible. Out of gratitude and love we want to obey God for the gift and sacrifices He has made.

Over and over and over and over God asks us to obey Him.....What He is really asking of us is to LOVE HIM when we do that the Bible tells us perfect love casts out all fear.

Keeping the seventh day Sabbath won't save us but it shows our love and loyalty to God because He is the one who asked us to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

LoveGodForever · Feb 25, 2018

Now MMD

This is only sad for you my friend. You take scriptures that are in reference to the OLD covenant and try to apply them to the NEW. You are truly mixed up not knowing the WORD of GOD or the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. You teach against the Commandments of God in order to follow your Catholic heritiage that breaks the Commandments of God. This is something Jesus and the Apostles never did and something that if you continue in will keep you out of God's KINGDOM. You seem to be so anti Sabbath that I imagine you have some occupation that you work in that makes you work on God's Sabbath so you try to use scripture to justify you breaking it.

mailmandan said:

You may need to study to word of God more to understant what the purpose was for the NEW MOONS in realation to the OLD Covenant. The purpose of the NEW MOONS was for the purpose to know God's Calander and seasonal timings for the year and have their origin in the first five books of the bible (Torah).

Genesis 1:14-16
14, And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15, And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light on the earth: and it was so.
16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

The NEW MOONS were particularly important for getting the correct timings for the annual festivals of Leviticus 23. Many (not all) of which pointed to the coming of Jesus and were fulfilled at His death upon the cross. This is why we do not do animal sacrifices anymore which were are very bifg part of these festivals.

It seems you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is for and how many of the Mosaic laws for remission of SINS pointing to Jesus have been fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT. IF you do not KNOW what the OLD and the NEW Covenants are how can you KNOW what the GOSPEL of the NEW COVENANT is?

mailmandan said:

Your interpretation of these scriptures have already been addressed but you ignore the scriptures that disagree with you and presented in the COL 2 THE REAL TRUTH OP of have you addressed any of the scriptures in the OP. CLICK ME

mailmandan said:

You really do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God. Have you not read in the NEW TESTAMENT;

1Pe 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;

Rev 1:6
And has made us kings and priests to God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 5:10
And have made us to our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Hebrews 7
11, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) <animal sacrifices> what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12, For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law <no more animal sacrifices>.
13, For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14, For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15, And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
16, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17, For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Yep seems there will still be Priests in the NEW HEAVENS and EARTH but not after the order of Levites but Christ.
Now as can be shown above you really need to start reading God's Word for yourself and turn away from the teachings and traditions of men that teach to break the Commandments of God.

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW. Those who CONTINUE IN KNOWN SIN will NOT enter into God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodForever · Feb 25, 2018

mailmandan said:

And this is where your problem continues. You interpret the above as meaning God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandment written in God’s 10 Commandments. Yet COL 2:14-17 has already told us that it is referring to the Mosaic book of the Covenant and the annual Holy days referred to in the 7 annual festivals. All of the above scriptures you have presented are in relation to the special Sabbaths (not God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandment) and the days of Holy convocation connected with the 7 annual festivals where no work was to be conducted. These scriptures have no reference to God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandment of God’s LAW which you mix up with the Mosaic book of the Covenant. The special Sabbath(s) or holy convocations are connected to the annual festivals that could fall on any day of the week and had a different purpose to God's 4th Commandment (the normal 7th day weekly Sabbath)

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD’S SABBATH AND THE CEREMONIAL SABBATHS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES IN THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT

What is the difference between the sabbath of the annual festival of the ceremonial laws of Moses and the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment.............

Let’s start with the ceremonial sabbaths contained in ordinances written in the Mosaic book of the law of Moses which were NOT part of the 10 Commandments but connected to New Moons and Annual fest days of the Old Covenant.

2 Chronicles 8
12, Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
13, Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

1. The annual ceremonial Sabbath of the law of Moses is a special Sabbath and also uses a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing the plan of salvation.

2. God's 4th commandment Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

That is the difference between the ceremonial special Sabbaths that are shadows of things to come written in ordinances in the book of Moses and God's 4th commandment which God's Word says is FOREVER.

Yes indeed there is a LOT of scripture that disagrees with you. God's LAW (10 commandments) are NOT the same as the Mosaic book of the law of Moses

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

laymen · Feb 25, 2018

May be they are not ready for the blessing of the 7th day sabbath. You know The Corinthian‘s had trouble with things too that’s why we have to be fair minded than Berea to understand

Nehemiah6 · Feb 25, 2018

laymen said:

As we can see from Scripture the 7th day sabbath was for THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. The 12 tribes of Israel. The nation of Israel . And while Israel had the sabbath, they were violating it and also perverting its use. All one has to do is study the Old Testament.

tourist · Feb 25, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

JesusLives said:

He doesn't have any proof.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 25, 2018

tourist said:

Why don't you read and STUDY my post #64 instead of scoffing? I have given you biblical proof that Adam was NOT a Sabbatarian.

gotime · Feb 25, 2018

mailmandan said:

I am sure this all makes sense in your head and you feel that you have made a great point.

I mean your point is logical and I love logic. However Logic can lead us very wrongly as I have learnt over time if it is missing any facts or pieces of the puzzle so to speak.

If you applied your reasoning you have here and forced it on the New Testament writers you will have to also disagree with things they said that we have recorded in the NT.

Where? Well you can look and see and learn by the Bible, or you can ignore this and remain ignorant of your folly. PS that is not meant to be an insult its just reality.

gotime · Feb 25, 2018

Ok a little hint as to how to find the problem you have created for yourself.

Read the New testament and look at how the NT writes quote scripture and how they use it. Then go back to that scripture they quoted and read the context and you could just as easily argue against them as you have done in your post I mentioned.

Yet they were led by the Spirit to use the scripture in that way.

So the question is how does one deal with such a revelation?

what helped me was finding how they saw something in that text that others would not have. How did they see something about Israel and apply it to Jesus or the new earth etc. How did they know which parts were only for Israel and which parts were for the future?

Find that and you will have a much easier time of it.

Jesus gives many answers to this question, So that the apostles could read the OT and see Christ and the future eternal home when those who did not have those keys only saw logic arguments against what they said.

tourist · Feb 25, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Is Sabbatarian even a word?

JesusLives · Feb 26, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

How can you ignore the fact that Sabbath was the celebration at the end of God's creation week at the beginning of man's existence?

Do you realize that Sabbath has God's name in it as his special day for us to spend with him? Abba is Father and God is our father wanting to spend one 7th of a week with us for us to dedicate a day of rest and to remember the Sabbath that He created just for that purpose. That God in a special way asked us to Remember the Sabbath in his 4th commandment.

The law didn't have to be written down before because it had passed by mouth from generation to generation but the children of God had been in bondage for over 400 years and had forgotten what it had been like being servants to pagans. God sent Moses to release them from the bondage and to teach them His ways.

It was never intended for us to murder and Cain knew he had done wrong when he murdered Able and God called him out on it. How did Cain know it was wrong? God used to walk and talk with Adam and Eve in the garden don't you think God told them about things he expected of them for peace and safety?

He gave them one simple command not to eat of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and they failed that simple command.
Cain knew it was wrong to murder, because the rules of God's government have always been in force and will be valid throughout eternity.

It will never be o.k. to murder, lie, steal, as God's entire law is a law of love. The first four show our love and loyalty to God and the last 6 show our love and loyalty to our fellow man. When you love both (God & your fellow man) you won't break any one of the 10.

GandalfTheWhite · Feb 26, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Tsktsktsk, and this is proof how?

Israel was in Egypt for 400 years being influenced by a false god and his religion. Do you remember what happened 400 years ago in America/Canada if it was not written down?

GandalfTheWhite · Feb 26, 2018

tourist said:

Of course it is, just like covfefe is a word

GandalfTheWhite · Feb 26, 2018

mailmandan said:

I am not a SDA but I think Genesis 2 verse 1-3 should give us an indication that God like to keep His Sabbath

I wonder why God rested on the seventh day? Maybe He was tired?

Nehemiah6 · Feb 26, 2018

JesusLives said:

Who's ignoring that? It was GOD'S SABBATH REST, not man's. All the rest of your post indicates that you simply cannot refute what God has said in Exodus 31. The children of Israel are the children of Israel -- Israelites, the nation of Israel. After God chose this nation to be His representative nation He gave them the sabbath AS A SIGN between Him and them. Please read that Scripture again, and abandon your Sabbatarian ideas.

GandalfTheWhite · Feb 26, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

My Bible teach me we were created to the image of God.

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