Atheists do Not Exist?

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[SUP]17[/SUP] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19[/SUP] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20[/SUP] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21[/SUP] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22[/SUP] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23[/SUP] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25[/SUP] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God said that some people when they knew God,because God showed it to them,they did not want to believe it but wanted to believe things came about in a different fashion,such as evolution.

I believe that a belief in a higher power is an instinct in people.When children are born without any influence by what people say I believe they will always come to the belief that there is a higher power above them,but it is later in life that they abandon it and believe in no God.

Look at Native Americans who believed in the great while Spirit,and all kingdoms in the past believed in a higher power above them.

I believe that it is an instinct for people when they are born and become children to look at nature and believe that there is a higher power that created all things.

But although this can apply to atheists,it seems to mostly apply to occultists,nature worshippers,for they way the Bible says they worshipped creation,and although an atheist claims that there is no God,the occultist is worse that believes in no God,for these people want to harness the power of nature,for personal power,power hungry,whose morals are worse than the atheist,and they are more nastier according to the flesh.

It would seem like the atheist would have a better chance to come to the truth that there is a God,than the occultist,because the power hungry,wanting to exalt themselves in a godlike fashion,of the occultist,has them blinded more to accept the truth.

The beast kingdom in Revelation is the world coming together to solve their problems in which they do not believe in a God above them.All religions will collapse.The beast,the man of sin,will not recognize any God,but honor the God of forces,and be in to witchcraft,a nature worshipper,an occultist,a power hungry individual,that will convince the world that he achieved power through nature and can solve the problems of the world.

The beast kingdom will be established by occultists,the most power hungry people on the planet.

So although atheists do not believe in a God,it is not them that will establish the beast kingdom,but the occultist that does not believe in a God,but honors the God of forces,nature.

The occultists make the atheists look like boy scouts,and I think Romans chapter 1 mostly applies to them,although atheists would be included,but the occultist is more made up in their mind that there is no God because of their hunger for power.

But it could be that the scientists,or some of them,are trying intentionally to stop the belief in a God,instead of acting like they are only interested in science and facts.They could be lying intentionally for this purpose because there is deception going on that will eventually lead to a kingdom that recognizes no God.
 
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Djokica8

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Do you realised that with that article you said to atheist that atheists dont exist, i dont have invisible friend, i love thinking about supernatural but i dont believe in it, and belief is not gained by birth, it is learnd over time and even christian replied to you about that. I know im not only atheist but even if im that article is wrong and thats not my belief its fact. Maybe everybody would believe that article if there wasnt an atheist(me) here.
 

Magenta

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Richard Dawkins: "I am a fairly militant atheist, with a fair degree of active hostility toward religion." He encourages his supporters to mock religion with contempt and publicly ridicule people who believe in God.
And they do.


Jesus said,
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."
 
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God's wisdom is foolish to men, man wants to reach God on a intellectual basis. Now we know that the only way to God is through Jesus. But Jesus is foolishness to men, the stumbling block. So now man wants proof, we show him a picture of a red headed Jesus we took in Ireland, not good enough. But all this demand for proof shows that there is a (void in their heart) sorta speak. So their pride to have this intellectual conversation with God will never take place because they rebuke God's wisdom which is foolishness to them. What is the topic of the conversation they want to have with God you might ask well it started 2000 yrs of go with Pilate when he asked what is truth.
 

Angela53510

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Kayla, can you add a link to where you got the OP? I'd like to bookmark it.

And to Djokica - welcome to CC. I pray these posts will lead you to doubt your atheism and to realize the glorious splendor and majesty of Jesus Christ.

I was an atheist once too! But God gradually broke through my barriers, making me an agnostic who did not know, but believed there had to be "something," to an avid seeker of the truth in all religions, to realizing that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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Richard Dawkins and his like will one day have to stand before The Lord and explain themselves, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. At the end of the day it matters not one jot what we think of God, we can scream and kick about how terrible God is but He is king and rules so what he says fits. that's all there is to it.

Every knee shall bow...
 
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This is a very interesting supposition... Its a long article but I will post it because most wont follow a link and ask me to explain it. So Im going to share the whole article. Im sure this has already been torn apart by atheists but it raises some interesting thoughts....
[insert long article here lol]

Any thoughts?
Lots of thoughts!

First, not good to insert the article, assuming relatively new, because of copyright reasons. (Whoever wrote it had it posted wherever to make money, and wherever wants to make money by keeping it wherever.) Hey, I can't help it. I'm a writer. lol

Second, yeah, you're right. I probably wouldn't have clicked the link, but that's on me. So, thanks for breaking copyright laws anyway.

Third, ummm, where is it? Because I'm curious as to what kind of outfit chose to print it. Doesn't look like a Christian site. That's for sure.

Fourth, finally getting to the meat of the matter. When I was young, I received a catalog in the mail often enough with Christian posters in it. One I wanted to get, (but never got, because I'm not really into loading walls with posters lol) had a guru kind of guy on top of a hill sitting under a small tree. Further down the steep hill, another guy with the word "scientist" on his lab-coat pocket was climbing it, panting, finally catching is breath, and said,"Aha! So God is the cause of everything."

The guru said, "About time you figured that out."

Seems like it's gotten worse since back then. All those words to say the same thing Paul said in Romans 1, and yet, they still will not believe. "Imaginary friend" my eye! Pure manure, with a scoop of evolution and karma on top.

After all this time, the only step they've taken is to give up on tabula rasa and go for karma? Oh brother!
:rolleyes:

The niblet they got that there is ingrain morality was figured out centuries ago, and yet they're now calling it "karma" and blaming it on a universe instead of fate? Nothing has changed, other than those who keep on hating God (John 3:18-20) will try harder to suppress God in their minds, and Djokica is proof how little effort is required to ignore the obvious. Just call people with some kind of skill to communicate "retards."

It reminds me of the studies back in the 70's -- coffee is bad for you, coffee is good for you, wine is good for you, coffee is bad for you, wine is bad for you, wine is good for you, coffee... Honestly, I gave up trying to figure out which way they were going to decide. It gives pause to how much effort is used in "research" any more though. lol
 
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atwhatcost

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But I think what the article is saying is that we have a belief in God hardwired inside of us.Its something we cant deny as much as we may say we dont believe in God. When it comes down to it we all believe in moral absolutes.We believe in fairness and justice.And that is built into our being by God himself.I think that is what the article is saying.
Exactly. Romans 1:18-32 said the same thing a long, long time ago. But look. The nonbeliever is busy telling us how stupid the article is anyway. That is what nonbelievers do. They deny the obvious, suppress, and then suppress some more. All the article did for them was to show them where the seam work is shoddy, so they'll suppress even more.

There really is no excuse, yet they keep coming up with more words for their excuse: fate, destiny, tabula rasa, karma, The Universe, "imaginary friend, "nterior monlogue," and now a new one "retard." It just keeps on going.
 
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Everything lawton said is nonsense from telling that belief is not*decision of your own and that we are born believers witch we are*not... And many more that im not going to waste my time on. About misleading part, it is connected to mistakes becouse they mislead people. Ask youself ,,am i wrong,, or in this case ,,is that article wrong,, so you could actualy defend it. Dont make me write more becouse you didnt heard what you wanted to hear.
Well, since you can't prove your point at all, past, "it's retarded" and "It's wrong," it really kills your ability to defend your position.

"I said so" didn't work when my mom pulled that on me. Now you expert it to work with someone I don't even know? That's not even sort of reasonable.
 
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Do you realised that with that article you said to atheist that atheists dont exist, i dont have invisible friend, i love thinking about supernatural but i dont believe in it, and belief is not gained by birth, it is learnd over time and even christian replied to you about that. I know im not only atheist but even if im that article is wrong and thats not my belief its fact. Maybe everybody would believe that article if there wasnt an atheist(me) here.
You have yet to realize the article was written by an atheist science writer, and yet you keep on raging as if you have any kind of defense at all, besides rage, which isn't anything but rage. Saying "that article is wrong and that's not my belief its fact," doesn't magically, or any other way, make it fact. Matter of fact, you're leaning towards making the article more real than anything you have raged on about. So much for understanding fact or logic. We haven't even reach the point of talking about God to you.
 
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Do you realised that with that article you said to atheist that atheists dont exist, i dont have invisible friend, i love thinking about supernatural but i dont believe in it, and belief is not gained by birth, it is learnd over time and even christian replied to you about that. I know im not only atheist but even if im that article is wrong and thats not my belief its fact. Maybe everybody would believe that article if there wasnt an atheist(me) here.

You are still only stating your beliefs and have presented no facts. When you have facts to present then we will talk.
 
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kaylagrl

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Kayla, can you add a link to where you got the OP? I'd like to bookmark it.

And to Djokica - welcome to CC. I pray these posts will lead you to doubt your atheism and to realize the glorious splendor and majesty of Jesus Christ.

I was an atheist once too! But God gradually broke through my barriers, making me an agnostic who did not know, but believed there had to be "something," to an avid seeker of the truth in all religions, to realizing that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

Certainly....Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke
 
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kaylagrl

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I should have stated,but I thought it was kind of obvious,that the writer is not coming from a Christian point of view.I was just interested in ideas he was putting forth for discussions sake. It seems it has worked.lol

Atwhatcost I didnt realize I was breaking copyright laws...I did forget to add the link but I now have and hope that settles the issue?
 
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Hello! I'll start with stating that I am an atheist and I am always interested in finding out why people believe what they do. I came across this article and wanted to clear some things up, at least from my perspective. I'll start with just one as to not make people read a ton of long winded paragraphs.

"In the US, only 20 per cent of people have no religious affiliation, but of these, only one in ten say they are atheists. The majority are “nothing in particular” according to figures published in New Scientist"

The number of "nones" out there is growing and it's true not a lot of the people profess to be atheists. One reason is because of the negative associations that go with the word atheist. These associations are simply not true however. It is certainly possible to be good without a god. Being an atheist simply means you hear the claim "a god exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim". The article is correct that you can't really choose what you truly believe, it's like how we know that fire is hot, it'd be rather difficult to convince yourself otherwise. I simply don't believe that a god/gods exist. I'm not here to start a war or be cruel but rather hope to create a dialogue between theist and atheist for better understanding!
 

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Hello! I'll start with stating that I am an atheist and I am always interested in finding out why people believe what they do. I came across this article and wanted to clear some things up, at least from my perspective. I'll start with just one as to not make people read a ton of long winded paragraphs.

"In the US, only 20 per cent of people have no religious affiliation, but of these, only one in ten say they are atheists. The majority are “nothing in particular” according to figures published in New Scientist"

The number of "nones" out there is growing and it's true not a lot of the people profess to be atheists. One reason is because of the negative associations that go with the word atheist. These associations are simply not true however. It is certainly possible to be good without a god. Being an atheist simply means you hear the claim "a god exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim". The article is correct that you can't really choose what you truly believe, it's like how we know that fire is hot, it'd be rather difficult to convince yourself otherwise. I simply don't believe that a god/gods exist. I'm not here to start a war or be cruel but rather hope to create a dialogue between theist and atheist for better understanding!
Jesus said that who is good but God? Any good inside of you must be of God. A 'good' atheist is an oxymoron. If the atheist had some good inside than there must be a God.

I'm not sure what there is to understand. I believe in God and you don't.

Welcome to CC.
 

p_rehbein

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A lot of folks claim to be atheist, but I agree with the OP that there is no such thing. Simple reason is that everyone who lives has something/one thing they put their trust/faith/belief in, what ever that may be. And whatever that may be is their god, ergo they believe in something............

Deniers of the Lord God? Sure. Atheist? Nah, not so much...........people who believe this way are simply fooling themselves in my opinion.
 
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My first issue with this is that there are so many gods, your god is different from your neighbors god who professes the same religious label, who is also different from another religion's god. the concept of god is no doubt a personal thing. Maybe the good inside of you is not God, Odin, Allah, or the Sun-God, but rather just your desire to do good? Good atheist is not an oxymoron haha.
 

Dude653

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Atheists are annoying
 
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Atheist is a response to a specific claim, a Theistic claim... This does not address other beliefs, which we may talk about, but have nothing to do with the fact I'm an atheist.
 
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Jack the hatter, welcome to this forum , what issues do you want to peruse?