Atheists do Not Exist?

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Magenta

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My first issue with this is that there are so many gods, your god is different from your neighbors god who professes the same religious label, who is also different from another religion's god. the concept of god is no doubt a personal thing. Maybe the good inside of you is not God, Odin, Allah, or the Sun-God, but rather just your desire to do good? Good atheist is not an oxymoron haha.
Jesus rejected being called good, saying only God was good. Also, despite the fact that Christians may vary widely in what we believe about God, we do all believe in the same God, the God of Scripture, the God Who gave Himself to/for us through Jesus Christ. The point, though, with being one way or another, good or bad, is that neither is the requirement for attaining life ever after. What is required is that we believe on Him Whom He sent (Jesus Christ). No one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Ok Jack let me kill this spell check. Lol
 
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Does the theistic community see atheists as naturally immoral? Do you think people are good because of their religion or do you think you can be good regardless?
 

Magenta

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Does the theistic community see atheists as naturally immoral?
I don't think so, certainly not any more immoral than anyone else just because they do not believe in God. I have spoken to atheists for the last eight years. They like to tell Christians and each other what good people they are while they slander us and make up all kinds of things about God and why we believe in Him. But they don't know, for the most part, and we are to be kind to them regardless, for we were once like they are: lost.
 
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Does the theistic community see atheists as naturally immoral? Do you think people are good because of their religion or do you think you can be good regardless?
Personally, *neither. Not because of their religion; there are many false religions, and religious works don't make a person good either. And not because anyone is good regardless because nobody can be good regardless of Good, which is God. He's why there is any good.

(I put an asterisk on "neither" because people can have good in them regardless of their particular religion, but that's because God is good, not because people are good.)
 
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While I certainly do take issue with some things in the bible, I don't wish to spend my time insulting others for their religious beliefs. I rather love to hear perspectives that differ from my own and speak to that. It's true, there are uncivil people on any side of the table (regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of). I come from an Catholic family background so I know first hand that not all Christians are bad people and in many cases are quite the opposite. I didn't become an atheist until I looked into other religious for the sake of knowing more about the world.
 

Magenta

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While I certainly do take issue with some things in the bible, I don't wish to spend my time insulting others for their religious beliefs. I rather love to hear perspectives that differ from my own and speak to that. It's true, there are uncivil people on any side of the table (regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of). I come from an Catholic family background so I know first hand that not all Christians are bad people and in many cases are quite the opposite. I didn't become an atheist until I looked into other religious for the sake of knowing more about the world.
That is very decent of you not to seek out being contentious simply because you have different beliefs. The internet has made this type of communication a popular means of connecting with others, though tone and intention can be easily misinterpreted due to not having the normal cues we have when visually in contact while conversing. Some of the atheists I have spoken with also came out of the Roman Catholic Church; they are often quite vociferous and bitter. I was also brought up in that religious institution, and it played a role in setting my heart and mind decidedly against God. However, Scripture teaches that the natural man is incapable of accepting what comes from God because it is spiritually discerned. But the fact is, I did not know Jesus Christ, despite my upbringing. It wasn't until I came to know Him personally many years after departing the RCC that I was eventually able to stand down from my opposition to God, and surrender my will and my life to Him. It is an ongoing process :) When I say know Him personally, I mean I have experienced God in ways that I could not deny despite my desperate desire at the time to do so.
 

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I was invited to religious debate group on Facebook but I left when it quickly became apparent that it was nothing more than your standard Christian bashing group.when debating with atheists, inevitably it becomes a moot point. It is an exercise in futility to debate the Bible with someone who believes the Bible is nothing more than a fairytale. Also I found it annoying how they demand explanations of my beliefs. If I don't believe in a purple banana dragon then why do I need an explanation as to why you believe in a purple bandana dragon
 

Magenta

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I was invited to religious debate group on Facebook but I left when it quickly became apparent that it was nothing more than your standard Christian bashing group.when debating with atheists, inevitably it becomes a moot point. It is an exercise in futility to debate the Bible with someone who believes the Bible is nothing more than a fairytale. Also I found it annoying how they demand explanations of my beliefs. If I don't believe in a purple banana dragon then why do I need an explanation as to why you believe in a purple bandana dragon
Indeed, equating belief in God to fairies or pink unicorns or purple bandanna dragons is simply a means of trivializing God and our belief in Him. I never heard of a faerie or pink unicorn or purple bandanna dragon (or flying spaghetti monster) that created the universe and gave us life. That God is said to have done this, and is believed by countless millions throughout the history of man to have done this, for a specific purpose, should be enough for people to investigate to find the truth of matter regardless of whether they start out by looking for God or simply truth, since Jesus is the Truth. If they seek diligently, Truth will be revealed to them. It is a Scriptural promise, and God keeps His promises :)
 
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I believe you when you say that you have had experiences you attribute to God but by that same belief I know a person who had experiences they attribute directly to Muhammad. I was speaking with a Muslim friend who said Muhammad brought him to worship Allah through some experience he swears by to this day. I don't doubt either of you being sincere about your experiences, but from a third party perspective, how do we determine which is the real deal?
 
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While I certainly do take issue with some things in the bible, I don't wish to spend my time insulting others for their religious beliefs. I rather love to hear perspectives that differ from my own and speak to that. It's true, there are uncivil people on any side of the table (regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of). I come from an Catholic family background so I know first hand that not all Christians are bad people and in many cases are quite the opposite. I didn't become an atheist until I looked into other religious for the sake of knowing more about the world.
Jack, though I bang heads with my Christian brethren, strangely enough I am a friend to atheists who prefer to share in mutual discourse in an effort to embrace the truth rather than getting involved in personal attacks. Welcome. I look forward to sharing and learning.
 

Magenta

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I believe you when you say that you have had experiences you attribute to God but by that same belief I know a person who had experiences they attribute directly to Muhammad. I was speaking with a Muslim friend who said Muhammad brought him to worship Allah through some experience he swears by to this day. I don't doubt either of you being sincere about your experiences, but from a third party perspective, how do we determine which is the real deal?
I would suggest you simply seek the truth for yourself, for it is your personal relationship with God that is important. Interesting that they experienced Mohammed and not "Allah." But then, even Mohammed did not experience "Allah." He was deceived by a jin that his wife and another relative convinced him was the Archangel Gabriel. I say deceived because verses had to be removed from the Koran when they were discovered to be Satanic in origin. Seek diligently. God keeps His promises :)
 
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Hello! I'll start with stating that I am an atheist and I am always interested in finding out why people believe what they do. I came across this article and wanted to clear some things up, at least from my perspective. I'll start with just one as to not make people read a ton of long winded paragraphs.

"In the US, only 20 per cent of people have no religious affiliation, but of these, only one in ten say they are atheists. The majority are “nothing in particular” according to figures published in New Scientist"

The number of "nones" out there is growing and it's true not a lot of the people profess to be atheists. One reason is because of the negative associations that go with the word atheist. These associations are simply not true however. It is certainly possible to be good without a god. Being an atheist simply means you hear the claim "a god exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim". The article is correct that you can't really choose what you truly believe, it's like how we know that fire is hot, it'd be rather difficult to convince yourself otherwise. I simply don't believe that a god/gods exist. I'm not here to start a war or be cruel but rather hope to create a dialogue between theist and atheist for better understanding!
So just to be clear do can you say with certainty no God exists? And may I ask have you had any religious affiliations in your past? May I also ask how you came to this decision.These may be too personal and if they are you can choose not to answer.Thanks
 

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Being an atheist simply means you hear the claim "a god exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim".
Let me change your sentence a bit and tell me if you would still reject the claim:

Being an astronomer simply means you hear the claim "dark matter exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim".

That's a tough position for an astronomer because he sees the gravitational affect of some unknown force influencing nearby bodies. Yet he chooses to believe the force doesn't exist.

Is this astronomer being irrational?
 
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God who knows everything knows that they exist...He inspired the following truth..A fool hath said in his heart there is no God.....
 
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kaylagrl

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While I certainly do take issue with some things in the bible, I don't wish to spend my time insulting others for their religious beliefs. I rather love to hear perspectives that differ from my own and speak to that. It's true, there are uncivil people on any side of the table (regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of). I come from an Catholic family background so I know first hand that not all Christians are bad people and in many cases are quite the opposite. I didn't become an atheist until I looked into other religious for the sake of knowing more about the world.
Jack if you would indulge me,would you watch the following video and give me your ideas about it? Ravi is a Christian philosopher. I wonder your take on what he says.Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQmDwpF8tc
 
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So just to be clear do can you say with certainty no God exists? And may I ask have you had any religious affiliations in your past? May I also ask how you came to this decision.These may be too personal and if they are you can choose not to answer.Thanks
I couldn't possibly say no god exists with certainty. Keep in mind that means for all gods that are declared "supernatural". I can not proclaim with certainty that bigfoot does not exist, but that doesn't mean I believe it to be so. As for my past, I come from a Catholic family and I studied various religions in college and outside of the classroom for my own interest. I came to the conclusion by noticing the similarities and differences in the different religions. All claim to have truth but lack evidence in various areas. (ex. How can you know which afterlife is real, if one at all?)
 
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Let me change your sentence a bit and tell me if you would still reject the claim:

Being an astronomer simply means you hear the claim "dark matter exists" and you say "I do not accept that claim".

That's a tough position for an astronomer because he sees the gravitational affect of some unknown force influencing nearby bodies. Yet he chooses to believe the force doesn't exist.

Is this astronomer being irrational?

I'm having a tough time understanding this analogy. What I mean by what I said is that the definition of Theism is "belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures" and Atheism is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." These terms are very specific to a claim.