Does being left behind during the rapture mean you're eternally condemned

[Samual]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

 

[KohenMatt]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

Per my understanding, if you're "Left Behind" after the rapture, that means it never really happened and you're good to go.

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. -Matthew 24:37-39

With Noah, who was taken away?

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

Read this thread: Especially the parable of the tares & the wheat, and the 2nd and 3rd post, too.

The rapture, as taught by Jesus, differs significantly from the doctrine of men.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/118950-somebody-asked-why-church-such-bad-shape.html

 

[flob]

I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ.

Especially 'cuz u r'member: where is That?

 

[valiant]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

with the rapture will come the close of the age. All who remain unraptured will face the fiery judgment of God from which there is no escape. (MTT 24.31; 2 THESS 1.8-10)

 

[Gozinia]

Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people WHO DID NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS.....this indicates to me there will be some of God's people left during the tribulation...to help turn the unsaved to repentance.

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people WHO DID NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS.....this indicates to me there will be some of God's people left during the tribulation...to help turn the unsaved to repentance.

Yes. And it shall be all of us believers. The pre-trib rapture is false.

See here, if you will:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/118950-somebody-asked-why-church-such-bad-shape.html

 

[jb]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

You might want to read through This short study prayerfully...

Yahweh Shalom

 

[Samual]

Per my understanding, if you're "Left Behind" after the rapture, that means it never really happened and you're good to go.

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. -Matthew 24:37-39

With Noah, who was taken away?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by it never really happened and you're good to go.

 

[atwhatcost]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

No, actually Revelation is a relatively easy book. It's the Rapture People who want to stuff things in it that simply aren't there, including "left behind." "Left behind" isn't even in Revelation, to give you some understanding how poorly this modern invention has gone. (Matt. 24 and 25. Much more of the story than the Rapture People will have you know.)

Two men were already out in a field. The one who denounced Christ got to stay in the field. The one who couldn't was taken and killed by Nero's soldiers. Two women were grinding flour. The one who denounced Jesus, kept grinding. The one who didn't was taken away to be killed by the soldiers. Nero tried to wipe out Christians. The very reason the rest went into hiding for the first couple of centuries.

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by it never really happened and you're good to go.

Meaning, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "rapture." So if people say the "rapture" has occurred, and you're still here. You're OK, because the rapture isn't real to begin with.

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by it never really happened and you're good to go.

Means............ There ain't gonna be any "Rapture" as all the books have tried to make it.

 

[crossnote]

1 Thessalonians 4:4, 14-17 (NET)
4 that each of you know how to possess his own body in holiness and honor,
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also we believe that God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep as Christians.
15 For we tell you this by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will surely not go ahead of those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Those who miss this event were not saved but still can be saved although experience the worst wrath of God known to man.

 

[Samual]

I seriously can't believe ya'll 12 replies and ONE person answered the original question

 

[purgedconscience]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

Hi Samual.

I think that the point that KohenMatt was trying to make to you is that those who are left behind are those who are saved as the ones who are taken in Matthew's gospel account are the same ones who are destroyed in Luke's gospel account. In other words, the modern popular view is totally backwards according to scripture. I also believe that he's saying that there's no such thing as a pre-tribulation rapture taught anywhere in scripture and if that is indeed what he's saying, then I wholeheartedly agree with him.

 

[mwc68]

Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people WHO DID NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS.....this indicates to me there will be some of God's people left during the tribulation...to help turn the unsaved to repentance.

Good indication since there is no "pre trib" umm rapture

 

[KennethC]

Revelation is not hard at all when guided by the Holy Spirit as it shows that there will be 2 Resurrections.
Believers in Christ will be caught up in the 1st Resurrection in which the second death in the lake of fire has no power over, and this takes place before God's wrath is poured out and Christ's millennial reign starts.

The 2nd Resurrection will consist of unbelievers, disobedient, and those who come to Christ during the Millennium.
The unbelievers and disobedient will be cast to the lake of fire, but the one's who came to believe in Him will receive eternal life.

The rapture or gathering has not taken place yet and the Apostle Paul says those who teach that it has is deceiving others, for the man of sin has to reveal himself first before this takes place.

 

[purgedconscience]

Believers in Christ will be caught up in the 1st Resurrection in which the second death in the lake of fire has no power over, and this takes place before God's wrath is poured out and Christ's millennial reign starts.

Not so:

Revelation chapter 16 verses 1 thru 17

And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Between the 6th and 7th vials of God's wrath being poured out, Christ hasn't yet returned as a thief (in the night) and He is heard admonishing His saints to watch and to keep their garments in that He is coming back for a bride without spot or wrinkle. Also, please note that the mark of the beast, the seat of the beast and his kingdom and the mouth of the beast or the beast or antichrist himself are already all here prior to Christ's return. The pre-tribulation rapture fails every Biblical test imaginable.

 

[popeye]

Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the groom. Only the adherents of the pre trib rapture seem to address this.

I am appalled that such and obvious no brainer is stumbled over at this late hour.
Mat 25 the 10 virgins is EXPLICIT BEYOND MEASURE of the pretrib rapture and half of christendom left behind to deal with the AC. Jesus even uses Lot and Noah to show the world that there is no postrib gathering.

I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

Yes many are saved in that horrific time. The word declares the AC kills every human on the planet w/o the mark.So indeed heaven is populated heavily during the GT.

 

[flob]

I seriously can't believe ya'll 12 replies and ONE person answered the original question

: (
sori. I thot ur pos had relevant inaccuracies, so I asked a question in return.

Does being left behind during the rapture mean you're eternally condemned

No.