Post an amazing picture here that shows God's intelligence!

[WoundedWarrior]

What you see as 'proof of God's intelligence' (aka proof of his existence) is in fact PERCEIVED proof of His intelligence, in doing so you're making man the standard for understanding God. Ultimately it's not natural theology by which we come to know God... it's through His revelation. It's His WORD that helps us appreciate nature, and see everything around us as God's creation. The WORD is direct proof of His intelligence, the rest is only circumstantial evidence.

So here's MY picture:

Ironically, humans wrote the symbols in that book.
Amazingly, artistically, and intelligently, God created the Heavens and the Earth.

When I read words written by man which describe God, I am understanding God through another man's perspective.
When I look at a tree, I am seeing God's perfect creation through my own eyes.

I do agree, that for Christians, the Bible is the lens through which we view God's creation.
So, there may be a much different perspective for the Believer who admires God's creation, versus an Unbeliever who admires God's creation.

But Believer or not, there is an undeniable artistic presence which is observable in all that is living.

 

[didymos]

Ironically, humans wrote the symbols in that book.

Inspired by God.

Amazingly, artistically, and intelligently, God created the Heavens and the Earth.

... and you know that because you read His Word.

When I read words written by man which describe God, I am understanding God through another man's perspective.

Nope, what you're reading is God's own Word.

When I look at a tree, I am seeing God's perfect creation through my own eyes.

.. again, you can only see a tree as God's creation if you've studied the Word.

I do agree, that for Christians, the Bible is the lens through which we view God's creation.

... not just for christians, it's the universal, absolute truth.

So, there may be a much different perspective for the Believer who admires God's creation, versus an Unbeliever who admires God's creation.

For the unbliever it isn't God's creation to begin with. Without the Word we're blind to God's glory. Some 'perspective' alright.

But Believer or not, there is an undeniable artistic presence which is observable in all that is living.

It can only be seen as a 'work of art' if you give the Artist credit for His work, an unbeliever is (by definition) unwilling to do so.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

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[WoundedWarrior]

Inspired by God.

... and you know that because you read His Word.

Nope, what you're reading is God's own Word.

.. again, you can only see a tree as God's creation if you've studied the Word.

... not just for christians, it's the universal, absolute truth.

For the unbliever it isn't God's creation to begin with. Without the Word we're blind to God's glory. Some 'perspective' alright.

It can only be seen as a 'work of art' if you give the Artist credit for His work, an unbeliever is (by definition) unwilling to do so.

You argue, without first understanding.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Inspired by God.

... and you know that because you read His Word.

Nope, what you're reading is God's own Word.

.. again, you can only see a tree as God's creation if you've studied the Word.

... not just for christians, it's the universal, absolute truth.

For the unbliever it isn't God's creation to begin with. Without the Word we're blind to God's glory. Some 'perspective' alright.

It can only be seen as a 'work of art' if you give the Artist credit for His work, an unbeliever is (by definition) unwilling to do so.

While you make good points, I have to wonder why God inspired David to write this:

Psalm 19, NASB
1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words; Their voice is not heard.​

Though "there is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard" Creation still speaks loudly of God's hand in its existence. The implication is no one is with excuse for not seeing Him in what He has done.

 

[VioletReigns]

I am amazed most of all that in spite of childhood abuse, deep-rooted fear, manic-depression, guilt, shame and a stronghold of spiritual oppression which had me bound for years, God got me to trust Him and He freed me. Almost every day I smile at God in my spirit and say, "I'm amazed how You did that, Lord." I really, truly am!

The miracle of God's grace and love. I'm amazed at that. ♥ I tried to find an awesome photo on Google images that would show how amazed I am at the Lord's wisdom, like an eagle soaring or a huge ocean wave or a bright comet or something. But I'm choosing instead to post this old hymn sung by Sandi Patti because it really expresses how my heart feels toward Jesus. ♥

[video=youtube;edH83dXEEmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edH83dXEEmk[/video]

 

[VioletReigns]

By the way, at 3:14 in the Sandi Patti video above, my soul gets so lifted up I can hardly breathe! This was one of the song's the Lord had used to break through my terrified mind and reach my heart! Praise You Lord, forever! \/

 

[Is]

I am amazed most of all that in spite of childhood abuse, deep-rooted fear, manic-depression, guilt, shame and a stronghold of spiritual oppression which had me bound for years, God got me to trust Him and He freed me. Almost every day I smile at God in my spirit and say, "I'm amazed how You did that, Lord." I really, truly am!

The miracle of God's grace and love. I'm amazed at that. ♥ I tried to find an awesome photo on Google images that would show how amazed I am at the Lord's wisdom, like an eagle soaring or a huge ocean wave or a bright comet or something. But I'm choosing instead to post this old hymn sung by Sandi Patti because it really expresses how my heart feels toward Jesus. ♥

[video=youtube;edH83dXEEmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edH83dXEEmk[/video]

I like Sandi Patti too, I have her "The Friendship Company, Open For Business" and "Sandi Patti and the friendship company". Their really childrens CD's but they're fun to listen to.

 

[Brother_J_BELGIUM]

You NEED to see this:

[video=youtube;6vvNxhlP1jA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vvNxhlP1jA[/video]

 

[didymos]

You argue, without first understanding.

Way to end about any discussion, and it's over alright.

Have fun with your liberal theology.

 

[atwhatcost]

What you see as 'proof of God's intelligence' (aka proof of his existence) is in fact PERCEIVED proof of His intelligence, in doing so you're making man the standard for understanding God. Ultimately it's not natural theology by which we come to know God... it's through His revelation. It's His WORD that helps us appreciate nature, and see everything around us as God's creation. The WORD is direct proof of His intelligence, the rest is only circumstantial evidence.

So here's MY picture:

No, actually. I think what Bro is asking is very scriptural. It is this:
Romans 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

 

[didymos]

While you make good points, I have to wonder why God inspired David to write this:

Psalm 19, NASB
1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words; Their voice is not heard.​

Though "there is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard" Creation still speaks loudly of God's hand in its existence. The implication is no one is with excuse for not seeing Him in what He has done.

So it's still understanding the cosmos through the Word, not vice versa.

 

[atwhatcost]

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Hey, VW. How's it going with the new job?

And, when looking at this, I realize man probably brought one other thing to the moon with him. Goosebumps!

 

[BS]

.. again, you can only see a tree as God's creation if you've studied the Word.

... not just for christians, it's the universal, absolute truth.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[atwhatcost]

By the way, at 3:14 in the Sandi Patti video above, my soul gets so lifted up I can hardly breathe! This was one of the song's the Lord had used to break through my terrified mind and reach my heart! Praise You Lord, forever! \/

Not 4:20? (Although, granted, I knew about where the whoa-doggy was going to hit in that song. I just never really listened to Sandy Patti before, so, wow! And now I'm listening to Susan Boyle singing the song. I still want to be able to sing when I grow up. I'll take Willie Nelson or Bob Dylan's voice, if I could just carry a tune. Especially to sing that song!)

 

[atwhatcost]

Way to end about any discussion, and it's over alright.

Have fun with your liberal theology.

You know. You're free to start your own thread if all you want to do is argue. Neither liberal nor conservative. Not even theology. More of simple manners.

 

[BS]

What you see as 'proof of God's intelligence' (aka proof of his existence) is in fact PERCEIVED proof of His intelligence, in doing so you're making man the standard for understanding God. Ultimately it's not natural theology by which we come to know God... it's through His revelation. It's His WORD that helps us appreciate nature, and see everything around us as God's creation. The WORD is direct proof of His intelligence, the rest is only circumstantial evidence.

So here's MY picture:

[video=youtube;sWSKtoURGAg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSKtoURGAg&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

So it's still understanding the cosmos through the Word, not vice versa.

No offense, Did, but I think that's wrong. Tell me how "the heavens are telling of the glory of God" uses the Word to be understood? David's writing points out that no one can look into the heavens and miss the grandeur of Creation, which means there has to be a Creator. Nothing that big, that grand, that complex, could "just happen."

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

this is called the 'barnsley fern'...mathematicians studying chaos theory in the twentieth century found out that you can make it by running a complex equation through a computer about a million times...


here is God's original...just as complex mathematically only it grows all on its own without any computer only by God's providential blessing...

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Way to end about any discussion, and it's over alright.

Have fun with your liberal theology.

It's not a liberal theology, to assume that it would do no good to argue with a man who's own opinion is the only opinion he will hear. But, I guess, for people like you -- anything that is contrary to what you believe, must be liberal.

Obviously you weren't too concerned -- as evidenced by your 1-liners to others who challenged your views, here in this thread.