Personal ministries thwarted!

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Yet

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We were called to the street to minister to the homeless. It was powerful and anointed. Then we ran out of money.
We were told that the tithe goes to the 'pastor' so he can lay around all week putting a 40 minute sermon together. That sermon equates to about 900.00.
So we lost out on God's street ministry He called us to.
I hear your arrogant reply already ' well if your ministry was of God, He would have provided for it.'
How could He? We fell for the lie of the tithe which places you under the law and under a curse. Read Galatians. No I didn't make it up unless of course God was just kidding again.
God was not obligated to finance a lie, a deception.
So we suffered for it.
I submit that the body of Christ has been cheated by lies and made impotent by the 'church'.
After most folks write the check for the satanic tithe, they are left with very little to evangelize with, just like us.
I'm a very, very slow learner. It took me 27 years of pain to figure out that 'pastors 'have been lying to folks about the false tithe so they don't have to get a job. They can feather their own little nests and take a lot of vacations.
Ouch! Did I really say that!
Call me crazy but I still hold out hope that Christians would study the word on this mess one day and actually wake up with some sense!
Some of you say I'm judging. One day you'll stand before the judgment seat of Christ and you'll wish you had me back!
 
BenFTW

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Your issue shouldn't be with the tithe, but the allocation of it. If it was given for particular ministries and never received by those ministries then something is amiss.
 
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Tintin

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It might be time to take up a new hobby. Bitterness breeds bitterness. It's a poison to the soul. A poison to the soul that only the Saviour can soothe.
 
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The easiest thing in the world is to find fault in others,
the hardest thing in the world is to see our own.
 
breno785au

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Yet, your a slow learner? Great so am I! Best thing to be is patient with the ones who haven't caught up YET ;)
 
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convallaria

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Yet said:
We were called to the street to minister to the homeless. It was powerful and anointed. Then we ran out of money.
We were told that the tithe goes to the 'pastor' so he can lay around all week putting a 40 minute sermon together. That sermon equates to about 900.00.
So we lost out on God's street ministry He called us to.
I hear your arrogant reply already ' well if your ministry was of God, He would have provided for it.'
How could He? We fell for the lie of the tithe which places you under the law and under a curse. Read Galatians. No I didn't make it up unless of course God was just kidding again.
God was not obligated to finance a lie, a deception.
So we suffered for it.
I submit that the body of Christ has been cheated by lies and made impotent by the 'church'.
After most folks write the check for the satanic tithe, they are left with very little to evangelize with, just like us.
I'm a very, very slow learner. It took me 27 years of pain to figure out that 'pastors 'have been lying to folks about the false tithe so they don't have to get a job. They can feather their own little nests and take a lot of vacations.
Ouch! Did I really say that!
Call me crazy but I still hold out hope that Christians would study the word on this mess one day and actually wake up with some sense!
Some of you say I'm judging. One day you'll stand before the judgment seat of Christ and you'll wish you had me back!
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Hi There!
I totally understand where you are coming from. There is no New Testament basis for a tithe, it was brought in for the benefit of the OT priests who needed to be fed etc. but were not allowed to do paid work. Regarding lazy pastors, Paul himself was a tentmaker, and admonished the servants of God to work with their own hands so that they have something to give them that have need.

The institutional church has twisted this tithe thing to invent a reason for collecting money for the pastor's wages. I wouldn't mind that so much if some of them were worthy of their hire, but it is really terrible to see how some (not all) unspiritual men and probably women also, use pastoral ministry as a career move.

I also spent some years doing homeless work. The local church I belonged to tried to put me off going, saying I was a loose cannon, off the wall, all kinds of things: they weren't going to have anything to do with it. Some even said I shouldn't hang out with homeless people because of what it looks like as a Christian, being as they are all drunks!!!! I went anyway because God was leading me and I learned a lot.

One of the worst things to come to terms with was the impossibility of connecting the homeless with the institutional church - like trying to join two pieces of elastic that are too short. On one occasion I asked to use the baptismal pool in the local church because there were a few brothers on the street wanting to be baptized. I was told that they would need to endure the church committee 20 questions before ever they would get near the water. I don't know how they can say these things without some fear of God. No one who had received Jesus on the street would ask to be baptized for the wrong reasons.

Anyway the Lord told me I was exhausting myself trying to get the church to receive the homeless and vice versa. The homeless already know there is something wrong in those places because generally they are not welcome in them. And if there is one thing they know for sure, it is that Jesus Himself welcomes them.

Anyway the Lord's solution for me was to spend my time connecting the homeless with Him, and leave the institutional church out of it. Once they receive Jesus they have all they need and we have done what He asked of us.

This was a few years ago now and there are some great stories I have where the Lord ministered and protected me in really scary situations. But the visible church was never there to help, not financially or any other way.

I think this is because God will not honour those carnal institutions because they are only interested in what they can get out of what they do: they are not interested in what they can do for others. This also explains their lack of power in many places and the teaching of false doctrine which is widespread.

Take heart, Jesus said I will build My church and the gates of hell shall not prevent it!!! I think you just need see who the true church is and where she is....and kick the habit of institutional church once and for all.

God bless you LOADS!
Convallaria
 
Yet

Yet

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Yes. We already kicked the habit years ago. Like a drug that obscures everything holy and right.
I believe our testimonies on this are ridiculed by some because they never sold out to Christ where He could reveal the state of things to them.
Like the Pharisees, they have their reward and there is no room for the likes of Jeremiah. Away with him.
 
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convallaria said:
Hi There!
I totally understand where you are coming from. There is no New Testament basis for a tithe, it was brought in for the benefit of the OT priests who needed to be fed etc. but were not allowed to do paid work. Regarding lazy pastors, Paul himself was a tentmaker, and admonished the servants of God to work with their own hands so that they have something to give them that have need.

The institutional church has twisted this tithe thing to invent a reason for collecting money for the pastor's wages. I wouldn't mind that so much if some of them were worthy of their hire, but it is really terrible to see how some (not all) unspiritual men and probably women also, use pastoral ministry as a career move.

I also spent some years doing homeless work. The local church I belonged to tried to put me off going, saying I was a loose cannon, off the wall, all kinds of things: they weren't going to have anything to do with it. Some even said I shouldn't hang out with homeless people because of what it looks like as a Christian, being as they are all drunks!!!! I went anyway because God was leading me and I learned a lot.

One of the worst things to come to terms with was the impossibility of connecting the homeless with the institutional church - like trying to join two pieces of elastic that are too short. On one occasion I asked to use the baptismal pool in the local church because there were a few brothers on the street wanting to be baptized. I was told that they would need to endure the church committee 20 questions before ever they would get near the water. I don't know how they can say these things without some fear of God. No one who had received Jesus on the street would ask to be baptized for the wrong reasons.

Anyway the Lord told me I was exhausting myself trying to get the church to receive the homeless and vice versa. The homeless already know there is something wrong in those places because generally they are not welcome in them. And if there is one thing they know for sure, it is that Jesus Himself welcomes them.

Anyway the Lord's solution for me was to spend my time connecting the homeless with Him, and leave the institutional church out of it. Once they receive Jesus they have all they need and we have done what He asked of us.

This was a few years ago now and there are some great stories I have where the Lord ministered and protected me in really scary situations. But the visible church was never there to help, not financially or any other way.

I think this is because God will not honour those carnal institutions because they are only interested in what they can get out of what they do: they are not interested in what they can do for others. This also explains their lack of power in many places and the teaching of false doctrine which is widespread.

Take heart, Jesus said I will build My church and the gates of hell shall not prevent it!!! I think you just need see who the true church is and where she is....and kick the habit of institutional church once and for all.

God bless you LOADS!
Convallaria
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That may be your experience but I have been in Churches that overseen homeless ministries, I helped in one for 10 years so yours is a broad brush.
What is this, war on the "institutional" church? Anything that smacks of structure, order and rules,? Ok, join the First Church of Chaos and Heresy and see how that goes.
 
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Tintin said:
It might be time to take up a new hobby. Bitterness breeds bitterness. It's a poison to the soul. A poison to the soul that only the Saviour can soothe.
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Hobby? You consider "street ministry" a hobby?
 
KohenMatt

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If God calls you to tithe or bring any sort of offering somewhere and you do so with a cheerful heart, does it really matter how it's used? A tithe or offering isn't about the person who receives it or uses it. It's about giving back to God what is His when He calls us to.
 
KohenMatt

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Tintin said:
It might be time to take up a new hobby. Bitterness breeds bitterness. It's a poison to the soul. A poison to the soul that only the Saviour can soothe.
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Is said:
Hobby? You consider "street ministry" a hobby?
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I believe he's referring to the "hobby" of Yet's continual posts crying out against the sins and errors of modern day churches.
 
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KohenMatt said:
I believe he's referring to the "hobby" of Yet's continual posts crying out against the sins and errors of modern day churches.
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OK, I see, if that's the case I apologize.
 
passing_through

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I have never heard of the tithe going to the pastor.

I am not a fan of street preaching.
 
Willie-T

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Leesley,
How much money do you have to have someone give you so that you can put on your shoes, and walk downtown to share Jesus?

I think you have let yourself be trapped by wanting to get in on the money part of ministry.
 
Willie-T

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Might be time to take off your "magic hat", and come back to just doing God's work.
 
Magenta

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Jesus said, "Follow me."
 
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Tintin

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Yes, I was referring to Yet's year-long rantings. No harm, no need to apologise.

Yet, you can't be a slave of two masters. You have to choose one or the other. What's it going to be? God or mammoths?
 
Willie-T

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KohenMatt said:
If God calls you to tithe or bring any sort of offering somewhere and you do so with a cheerful heart, does it really matter how it's used? A tithe or offering isn't about the person who receives it or uses it. It's about giving back to God what is His when He calls us to.
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Aye! However, this seems to be SO difficult for some of us to accept.
 
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Tintin said:
Yes, I was referring to Yet's year-long rantings. No harm, no need to apologise.

Yet, you can't be a slave of two masters. You have to choose one or the other. What's it going to be? God or mammoths?
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As in Wooley Mammoths? :rolleyes:

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In this case I'll choose God...

Tin does it again lol.
 
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