What do you say to an atheist?

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karuna

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I'm sorry I have to disagree with your first sentence because some of my really close friends are atheists nothing wrong with that.
What? I said it would be best not to approach a person as an atheist. In other words, when you look at your friends, the first thing that pops into your head should not be "atheist." By all means, though, approach people who are atheists.

your last sentence wouldn't that be called a deist.
Deists are something else entirely. Deists still believe; they just believe in a different sort of god. The people I'm talking about only say they believe. In other words, you can be an atheist while telling everybody you believe in God. All you have to do is lie. It's not uncommon.
 
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What? I said it would be best not to approach a person as an atheist. In other words, when you look at your friends, the first thing that pops into your head should not be "atheist." By all means, though, approach people who are atheists.



Deists are something else entirely. Deists still believe; they just believe in a different sort of god. The people I'm talking about only say they believe. In other words, you can be an atheist while telling everybody you believe in God. All you have to do is lie. It's not uncommon.
Okay I'm confused about your answer so lets forget it lol :)

okay i understand.
 
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just tried to multi quote but I think i have to be smarter than the computer for that one. Anyway: WHAT Dread, VW & Seekinhim said is exactly how you speak to athiests...The Holy Spirit will convict them when its their time, unless pride gets in the way. I pray for a softening of their hearts b4 I see them to hear and to receive. You know I had the most amazing experience with a 72 year old athiest who had been in and out of jail all his life. On the day we met last fall, he came to see my brotherinlaws cabin for sale on our property. That morning he'd been suicidal (he told me of this later) and his son & my husband & boys went out hunting & we were alone, him and me and his bottle of jim bean or whatever that stuff's called, sure smells though. Anyway EVERY SINGLE time I turned around I hit the nail on the head with him with the prompting of the Holy spirit for it wasnt me who revealed these truth's but the Holy Spirit who I asked to be with me as we spoke. I spoke in those 2 hours to my day of salvation... I spoke to receiving a word with regards to a bipolar man... I spoke to forgiving an offender... and I spoke to the fact that when boys fight they fight, men kill & how my friend in a bar fight killed a man...
Now this is the amazing thing... this man is unsaved but had read the Bible in the hole, had only felt condemnation from Christians, never love... He suffers from bipolar... he needed forgiveness for being an offender... he killed a man in a bar fight. This man keeps in touch with me now as he said that I touched him in a way no one else ever had... I keep reitterating to him that it was all the Holy spirit prompting and the Lord was right with us in our discussion and this is not of me but of the Lord who seeks him. Oh, the bipolar man I was talking to him about murdered his wife & killed himself... after talking about the scripture given to me in that situation this man wayne weeped and told me that morning he did inventory of his pills as he was feeling so very bad & then his wife called so in his words "something must have been watching out for me as I was just about to take the pills". I said not something, this was your Lord and savior. I have hope that this athiest will indeed find the Lord and pray for His servents to be placed in his path that he might confess his sin and receive the Lord & be born again of the spirit before his time here is done. It is pretty amazing what the Lord will do when you specifically pray about the people you are going to see. The hardest is when the Holy spirit tells you to shut up and say nothing & just listen (hard for a talker like me!!)
 
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later in reflection of the conversations we had about his incarceration I questioned the wisdom of being left alone with a complete stranger who came baring a bottle of Jim Beam! Honestly though, the whole time we were talking and I made him my ROCKIN soup I never felt unsafe... In fact I felt enveloped by the Holy Spirit with tingles of validation just pulsing through the entire conversation.
 

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God knows everyone's heart, and what words need to be said. And only He can open the closed ears to hear.

Many blessings sister.
 
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machew

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So what DO you say? Do you preach to them? Ignore them? What?
Most atheists won't be convinced by your words. You have to listen to the Holy Spirit in this situation. Sometimes I may get a word of knowledge about their life, that I couldn't possibly know about them without God, and then proceed in telling them. The Holy Spirit will reveal this sometimes to show them that God is real, really does Love them, and they really do need Him. When I give them the word of knowledge they are usually a lot more open to hear the gospel. Other times I am planting a seed by simply living my life in a way that represents Jesus. A lot of the time it seems like no progress was made. But if you are praying quietly to God during your time with them, it is impossible for nothing to happen, even if it doesn't mean salvation right then and there.

The way I see it is that as long as I am Loving the person and respecting the person as Jesus would, I am planting another seed in them for the Holy Spirit to water. :D
 
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So what DO you say? Do you preach to them? Ignore them? What?
I take the stance of no proselytizing. Don't try to convert but if they bring up the topic, then share the Gospel with them. Don't try to argue it but if they ask for clarification, provide it to them. God will speak to them through His Gospel.
 
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Originally Posted by resurrection33

I guess my inspiration for the thread is that atheists occasionally introduce themselves on this website, and I’m not sure what to say. I think they want us to say SOMETHING.

It is my belief the Lord doesn’t like to waste time. I think it is better to testify to these people right now, than to let them figure it out for themselves sometime in the future, don’t you?

I agree with Dread_Zeppelin in the sense that it's counterproductive to try and open a dialogue with an atheist when it is clear they are not receptive to hearing from you on the topic.

I have seen situations on this website and in daily life when people have done it anyway and when they've made the person angry they've then responded with what seems to be a standard reply 'I tell you the truth and that is how I help you', and that logic seems to shield them from seeing they have just pushed someone further away from the faith, there are times when speaking can do more damage, regardless of what you are saying.

In many cases atheists are arrogant in their belief because allowing themselves to consider the possibility means opening up to so many things that were never an issue, anyone formerly of that view can understand that massive change follows and many atheists disbelieve simply out of fear of facing up to who have they been.

As many people know fear can cause harsh reaction because it is a defense mechanism, so we need to realize that coming at atheists in such a direct manner will only make them push back and it can provide affirmation for them.

It is tempting to take the direct root and act now so not to waste time but so many people who have gone from atheism to a strong faith look back on their lives and see how separate events contributed to them turning to faith and away from their former, often destructive life, and so without those events they may not have found their way, it is sometimes best to allow people to continue making mistakes and just be there for them as we all need to experience these things for ourselves to truly understand.

Some people will hear the word of God and have a moment of revelation, others come to faith over time after learning, as a Christian one of the great challenges is to find the right approach for the right person so I would say there is no one way to approach or deal with atheists, just get to know them and you will get to know what kind of help it is they need.....see them as a person...not a project.

Great Post!
 
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I tell them that they are going to stand before the Jesus they deny for judgment.

Why? All they are going to think is ‘wow, if running around confronting people about ideas they have heard 150,000 times, but choose for various reasons to not accept as true, is what it means to be a Christian; it is the last thing I want to be’. And wasn’t Jesus the guy who went around preaching charity for our neighbors? Hmmm…..this guy must not get it’

They think they are going to give Him a great argument

I don’t think so. I think if they have rejected dogmatic, close-minded, unreasonable arguments for God and the validity of the Bible, but have opened their hearts to the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, they will kneel before God in worship and he will correct their theological errors simply by His presence. If there heart has not been sanctified, it is not going to matter what they believe.

The significant difference between Jesus and the Pharisees was not in His ability to defend faith alone rather than faith + works; it was His ability to live His teachings. The Pharisees knew their doctrine as well as any Reformed Protestant, but it was all in their heads.

But in fact they will condemn themselves out of their own mouth

Maybe. I sure will be sad if it happens – I think everyone in Heaven, except the Calvinists will be terribly sad.

Everyone will bow their knee to Jesus Christ

Yep.

The only choice is they do it because they want to or because they have too

It sounds like you relish this fact. Are you counting down the days until you get to see the atheist get what they deserve? I am praying for universalism. I really wish it was a true doctrine.
 
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Approaching a person as an atheist is probably not the best idea.

Why not try caring for them instead of arguing them into the kingdom? The biggest compliment I can receive from anyone outside of Christianity is, “com’mon you can’t really be a Christian! You don’t sound like any Christian I have ever met before”. When I hear this I know I have slipped pasted their stereotype of what a Christian is – then the long process of witnessing can really begin as the relationship deeps over time.

Handing someone a track and presenting some wooden, but will rehearsed arguing points does nothing to promote your relationship with Christ. Only a real relationship, without expectations can show a person what Christianity is all about.

It's important to remember that most self-professed atheists know at least a little about what they're rejecting.


They certainly carry around stereotypes of what a Christian is, and it usually consists of ideas like, judgmental, close-minded, only caring about crossing another soul off their list, hypocritical, ignorant about the culture (movies, internet, clubs, politics), willfully ignorant about secular studies (science, theater, education), concerned about details that appear unimportant to them, not concerned at all about national social problems (homelessness, poverty, universal medical care), republican, etc. Agnostic usually could care less about what Christians believe about their religion, they are more concerned about the culture of Christianity – and how weird Christians seem to them.

Atheists usually do have a fair to excellent understanding of Christianity and are often educated in many different religions. Because they rely on reason more than the average Christian, and they are not restricted to the Bible for their information, they often back uneducated Christians in a corner.

Some atheists know more about the technical aspects of Christianity than its practitioners. Giving them another presentation of the same ideas they've heard repeatedly will probably only more deeply reinforce reflex reactions.

Because atheism is dependent on religion, atheists usually understand what they are opposing. I think of them as professionals, compared to their agnostic lay-brothers and sisters. Agnostics usually are most concerned about feeling labeled, defined, or put in a box; atheists want to convert.

In other words, an atheist is never more an atheist than when she's being preached to (or worse, preached at).


Many enjoy confrontation and look forward to exposing what they consider to be ignorance and superstition within a believer.

By approaching a person as an atheist, you've jumped into those deep grooves of habit and will have trouble getting out of them. You'll both be reading from scripts. Don't approach with a script!

Hah – good advice. Don’t approach anyone with the sole purpose of converting them; approach people with the intention of serving them – God will take care of the rest.

I agree with the advice above - go with the Spirit. Otherwise, if you have something planned, you're going in under your own power and wit which, with apologies, will end in frustration unless God decides to use you in spite of yourself.


Approach with love and without expectations. Also, learn to laugh at yourself – atheist love to get your goat – simply let them keep it. Laugh at the truth of their statements about your faith and culture – often times, atheists are painfully accurate in the assessment of us. What does it matter if they know more than you or look down on you – realize that they tend to revel in pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes – I usually agree with them – if their statement hurt – realize it is your pride that needs to be put in check.

Now, concerning the rest, the practical atheists who profess a belief in God yet simply don't believe…..


[FONT=&quot]Realize their dilemma for what it is – hurt. They need a trusting relationship with a Christian before they can get past their aversion to the religion.[/FONT]
 
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karuna

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Approaching a person as an atheist is probably not the best idea.
Why not try caring for them instead of arguing them into the kingdom? The biggest compliment I can receive from anyone outside of Christianity is, “com’mon you can’t really be a Christian! You don’t sound like any Christian I have ever met before”. When I hear this I know I have slipped pasted their stereotype of what a Christian is – then the long process of witnessing can really begin as the relationship deeps over time.

Handing someone a track and presenting some wooden, but will rehearsed arguing points does nothing to promote your relationship with Christ. Only a real relationship, without expectations can show a person what Christianity is all about.
Are you indicating that you agree? I'm having difficulty understanding the thrust of your response. In a lot of ways, it seems like a rephrasing. Later on in my response, for instance, I specifically address rehearsed points, which I call a "script."

What I mean to say here is that viewing a person primarily as an atheist will lead to ritualized, boring reenactments of old debates. In other words, don't approach atheists. Approach people who happen to be atheists.

Now, concerning the rest, the practical atheists who profess a belief in God yet simply don't believe…
Realize their dilemma for what it is – hurt. They need a trusting relationship with a Christian before they can get past their aversion to the religion.
Here I meant to discuss those people who might even be considered pillars of a local church, yet haven't the slightest bit of actual belief. I'm less concerned with a self-professed atheist than someone who is comfortable sitting in a pew, every week inoculating himself to a message to which he pays lip service.
 
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Are you indicating that you agree? I'm having difficulty understanding the thrust of your response. In a lot of ways, it seems like a rephrasing. Later on in my response, for instance, I specifically address rehearsed points, which I call a "script."

What I mean to say here is that viewing a person primarily as an atheist will lead to ritualized, boring reenactments of old debates. In other words, don't approach atheists. Approach people who happen to be atheists.



Here I meant to discuss those people who might even be considered pillars of a local church, yet haven't the slightest bit of actual belief. I'm less concerned with a self-professed atheist than someone who is comfortable sitting in a pew, every week inoculating himself to a message to which he pays lip service.

I am agreeing with you, but I am also adding a few ideas - I like your post
 
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karuna

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I am agreeing with you, but I am also adding a few ideas - I like your post
I apologize, then. I've had so many responses recently, even on that same post, in which it was clear to me that we agreed, but the responder thought otherwise! I'm under the impression that I don't write clearly. :D
 

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I apologize, then. I've had so many responses recently, even on that same post, in which it was clear to me that we agreed, but the responder thought otherwise! I'm under the impression that I don't write clearly. :D
Hah, I am convinced of that for myself, as the evidence is inarguable.
 
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I apologize, then. I've had so many responses recently, even on that same post, in which it was clear to me that we agreed, but the responder thought otherwise! I'm under the impression that I don't write clearly. :D
I think you are clear - I was working a night shift when I wrote the response - it was about 3 AM
 
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It is tempting to take the direct root and act now so not to waste time but so many people who have gone from atheism to a strong faith look back on their lives and see how seperate events contributed to them turning to faith and away from their former, often destructive life, and so without those events they may not have found their way, it is sometimes best to allow people to continue making mistakes and just be there for them as we all need to experience these things for ourselves to truly understand.
I don’t mean to rush in and force my belief on an atheist. I’m just saying that if they make a point of letting me know they are an atheist, then perhaps it’s okay for me to express an opinion.
 
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just tried to multi quote but I think i have to be smarter than the computer for that one.
I think this is how you multi-quote:

Go to the first person you want to quote and click the middle “M.Q.” button.
Do that with each person you want to quote, until the last.
Then on the last person, click “Quote” instead of “M.Q.”
If you are quoting just two, then click “M.Q.” on the first and “Quote” on the second.
 

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Behold! The time has come and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent! and believe the gospel!

Worked for Jesus. :)
 
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I take the stance of no proselytizing. Don't try to convert but if they bring up the topic, then share the Gospel with them. Don't try to argue it but if they ask for clarification, provide it to them. God will speak to them through His Gospel.
I should have made it clear when I introduced the thread that I was referring to atheists who “proclaim” they are atheists, as if soliciting a reaction from us. I don’t believe we should hunt down known atheists and proselytize to them. It could be interesting, but probably not constructive.