if you don't help me don't let Satan defeat me

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all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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sure there are christians who are bad
there are muslims who are bad too
there are atheists who are bad too
there are agnostics who are bad too

and that is exactly why we need Jesus
 

Magenta

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The Truth is hateful to those who hate the Truth.
 

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all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.
regardless...

John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Romans 3 ESV
God's Righteousness Upheld

Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP]By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written,

“That you may be justified in your words,
and prevail when you are judged.”


[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) [SUP]6 [/SUP]By no means! For then how could God judge the world? [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.

No One Is Righteous

[SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? Are we Jews[SUP][a][/SUP] any better off?[SUP][b][/SUP] No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, [SUP]10 [/SUP]as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
[SUP]14 [/SUP] “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] in their paths are ruin and misery,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and the way of peace they have not known.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”


[SUP]19[/SUP]Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For by works of the law no human being[SUP][c][/SUP] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

The Righteousness of God Through Faith

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— [SUP]22 [/SUP]the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [SUP]25 [/SUP]whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. [SUP]26 [/SUP]It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, [SUP]30 [/SUP]since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
 
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Look friend.....The only way for you to be saved is to acknowledge the Bible as true, accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, believe that the one true God (The Heavenly Father) sent his son to pay your sin debt and to start studying the bible and apply the truths found therein......People are naturally turned off by the Muslim faith, the Koran and anyone Islamic.....Yes there have been horrific deeds done in the name of religion...both Christian and Islamic...at the end of the day you have to decide...is the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or is it the god portrayed by your so-called prophet!
 
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Look friend.....The only way for you to be saved is to acknowledge the Bible as true, accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, believe that the one true God (The Heavenly Father) sent his son to pay your sin debt and to start studying the bible and apply the truths found therein......People are naturally turned off by the Muslim faith, the Koran and anyone Islamic.....Yes there have been horrific deeds done in the name of religion...both Christian and Islamic...at the end of the day you have to decide...is the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or is it the god portrayed by your so-called prophet!
I am quite certain that the answer of most here will be "NO" however, I still wonder if they are one-and-the-same.
 
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WoundedWarrior

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all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.

Seek the Truth by way of Prayer.

If both Christians and Muslims would simply focus on loving one another, rather than arguing over who is correct -- Our Creator would be pleased.
 

blue_ladybug

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Christianity= good

Muslim/ Islam= bad

Christianity= God's truth

Muslim/Islam= the wrong way


:)
 
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I am quite certain that the answer of most here will be "NO" however, I still wonder if they are one-and-the-same.
I would tell you that through the study of history and the rise and fall of the world empires I have concluded the following....

Horus--.Bel-->Marduke-->Merodach-->Jupiter-->Zeus--->Allah

The bible is the only inspired book on the planet and it has revealed the name(s) of God and the character/nature of God and none fit Allah.....I understand that it is a generic (so-called) name for God, but without reservation and or bias I have concluded that the name Allah does not represent the God of the bible...........The Judeo/Christian God that is!
 
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I would tell you that through the study of history and the rise and fall of the world empires I have concluded the following....

Horus--.Bel-->Marduke-->Merodach-->Jupiter-->Zeus--->Allah

The bible is the only inspired book on the planet and it has revealed the name(s) of God and the character/nature of God and none fit Allah.....I understand that it is a generic (so-called) name for God, but without reservation and or bias I have concluded that the name Allah does not represent the God of the bible...........The Judeo/Christian God that is!
But, but, but.... Virgin Birth -and- Flood -and- Savior (Messiah) Rises Again -and- So much in common!! ;-)
 
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all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.

But you are spreading lies in your other threads saying Jesus is not the Messiah and that the apostle Paul is the anti-Christ and that John the Baptist did not proclaim Jesus as Lord.

So you are saying you don't want to be called out and yet you are calling Jesus a liar.

Is anyone else reporting his blasphemous posts? :confused:
 
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But, but, but.... Virgin Birth -and- Flood -and- Savior (Messiah) Rises Again -and- So much in common!! ;-)
You do understand that Satan is going to mimic Christ and will have his own religion, way etc. that will mimic the one true way....right???
 

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You said..

----- I'am muslim i'm motivated as you all. i'm convinced there is no message which bring all the truth unless Islam.

are you so strong in you faith to let me show you the evidences that Islam is the unique God's message. troughout 22 years ai haven't seen one Christian facing me. they block; or lock or bann. wich means you fear the lights and you work in darkness. The word of God fructify. and only God defend it then why are afread?

I challenge you all Christians. and i engage myself to not give any evidence only from your Bible.
You also say you believe Paul is the antichrist in the same form..

It's comments like these that make people act that way.. But I don't think anyone is being rude to you.
They are trying to show you the truth.
 
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WoundedWarrior

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I'm curious, in what way do you disagree?
My understanding of the OP is that this individual is wrestling with a faith crisis; Islam vs. Christianity.

When a person is wrestling with an issue, such as stated, I do not agree with the approach of: This is what's good and this is what's bad. Romans 14

Furthermore the entire statement, if taken literally, is completely flawed; "Christianity = good" (Really? Remember the Crusades?) "Muslim/Islam = bad" (It's like saying "American/Christian = bad"... all kinds of incorrect.) "Christianity = God's truth" (I'm going to stay away from this one, at this time.) "Muslim/Islam = the wrong way" (The wrong way to what/where/who?)

Digressing... It has been said, that this OP is trolling in other threads.. Perhaps this whole conversation has become pointless.
 
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WoundedWarrior

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You do understand that Satan is going to mimic Christ and will have his own religion, way etc. that will mimic the one true way....right???
Right, but these belief systems were here long before our Christ... are you suggesting that Satan came to Earth before Christ, and planted false religions in every known ancient civilization?
 

Magenta

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People sometimes have their minds made up before they even ask a question. The asking of the question then simply becomes a means whereby they can stay in denial about what they are really doing, since on the one hand they can say they are seeking answers, while on the other hand, the answers they have already are not going to be relinquished. Change is not easy. That is why we need the conviction of the Holy Spirit of God. When one experiences that, you cannot argue with it. You can try to deny it, but it is an internal struggle, and not something anyone else can decide for you.
 
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Right, but these belief systems were here long before our Christ... are you suggesting that Satan came to Earth before Christ, and planted false religions in every known ancient civilization?
Who tempted Eve in the garden? When did Mohammad walk the earth?...AFTER Christ....Satan has been here the whole time...influencing humanity, leading astray and influencing false religion from the beginning....just like the list I gave you above...Jesus, thru John, told the church at Pergamos that he knew they dwelled where Satan's seat was located...what was located at Pergamos.....The throne of ZEUS...........a study of history and the false gods will reveal a continuing attempt by Satan to bring about the worship of himself in a man...continually thwarted by God as it was not time for that to culminate although it will at the end of the age in the man of sin, beast, little horn so called anti-Christ!
 
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