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Nothing cataclysmic happened to Scotland before their revival.
Nothing cataclysmic happened in New England before their revival.
Nothing cataclysmic happened before Azusa Street.
No big revival in the late 40's, the 50's, and all the way up to the late 60's. WWII was an old man's war by the time the Jesus Movement hit.
Nothing cataclysmic before the Jesus People.
No revival after Pearl Harbor. No revival after 9/11. No revival after Hurricane Katrina. No revival after the tsunami in Java. No revival after the tsunami took out the nuclear stations in eastern Japan.
Nothing cataclysmic happened in New England before their revival.
Nothing cataclysmic happened before Azusa Street.
No big revival in the late 40's, the 50's, and all the way up to the late 60's. WWII was an old man's war by the time the Jesus Movement hit.
Nothing cataclysmic before the Jesus People.
No revival after Pearl Harbor. No revival after 9/11. No revival after Hurricane Katrina. No revival after the tsunami in Java. No revival after the tsunami took out the nuclear stations in eastern Japan.
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I guess on a lot of things -- how stuff should work out. If you ever wanted to make a lot of money, bet against my guesses when it comes to me guessing how God will work something out specifically. I've guessed better on the Eagles winning the Super Bowl every year since 1980. At least they showed up twice at the Super Bowl, (and then lost.) My odds are worse guessing how God will do something.
It doesn't stop me from guessing. I'm just bad at forecasting what God will do and how.
The only one I know I have right is "God wins." Even then, it is likely I don't get to gloat when he does that. lol
BTW, the Eagles? Wont even make the playoffs this year. (If you're into betting, you might want to bet they will, because I'm really that bad at guessing about everything. lol)
It doesn't stop me from guessing. I'm just bad at forecasting what God will do and how.
The only one I know I have right is "God wins." Even then, it is likely I don't get to gloat when he does that. lol
BTW, the Eagles? Wont even make the playoffs this year. (If you're into betting, you might want to bet they will, because I'm really that bad at guessing about everything. lol)
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There was a massive revival in times square also. About 1992 or 93. I was blessed to fly up there about 10 times and it was awesome. David Wilkerson,Times Square Church.Life changing. lasted about 2 years. I was in attendance when Dave gave the message "a thousand fires burning down NY City" And I was there when Carter Conlin came and gave his first message as assistant pastor.He is now the pastor.
All the others in the mid to late late nineties trace back to one man Rodney Howard Browne. Toronto,Brownsville etc.(even more powerful than times Square revival)
I have seen many true revivals with hundreds of thousand conversions.
When brownsville broke out Wilkerson blasted it as false,but his Brother Don,came many times and pleaded with Dave to stop his erroneous opposition to a true revival. Finally Dave gave in and admitted brownsville was authentic.
All the others in the mid to late late nineties trace back to one man Rodney Howard Browne. Toronto,Brownsville etc.(even more powerful than times Square revival)
I have seen many true revivals with hundreds of thousand conversions.
When brownsville broke out Wilkerson blasted it as false,but his Brother Don,came many times and pleaded with Dave to stop his erroneous opposition to a true revival. Finally Dave gave in and admitted brownsville was authentic.
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Revival is basically God showing up. There will be conversions,but never 100%.
There is no such thing as an altar call of hundreds with 100% of those at the altar retaining their "salvation" never has and never will happen in the future.
The parable of the sower,and the "wide vs narrow road" prove this out.
One thing must be factored in.....people are fickle,and that ingredient works heavily against us.
There is no such thing as an altar call of hundreds with 100% of those at the altar retaining their "salvation" never has and never will happen in the future.
The parable of the sower,and the "wide vs narrow road" prove this out.
One thing must be factored in.....people are fickle,and that ingredient works heavily against us.
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There's one flaw in your perception of "worse times". While there have been worse times in history, they NEVER were worldwide. Now they are.
Matthew 24:3-12 (KJV) [SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of sorrows. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
2 Peter 3:1-7 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Yeah, I'm taking my seat with the obsessed side..... cuz we're supposed to preach Jesus is coming, & that with urgency.
Matthew 24:3-12 (KJV) [SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of sorrows. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
2 Peter 3:1-7 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Yeah, I'm taking my seat with the obsessed side..... cuz we're supposed to preach Jesus is coming, & that with urgency.
I mean maybe its more localized, but we have church plants growing in great numbers in my area. Half the problem with modern christianity is that the main denominations are not attractive to the lost. Like what lost person in their right mind wants to walk into the nonsense of pentecostals and southern baptists? Hey maybe the diverse small church that I keep hearing about it worth checking out though?
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You didn't like me the last time I gave my opinion of Brownsville. I have less of a favorable opinion on the Wilkersons.
I wasn't talking alter call conversations. I was talking the number of people who supposedly came to the Lord, but then simply gave up decades later. They seemed saved. They weren't. The soil was rocky.
I wasn't talking alter call conversations. I was talking the number of people who supposedly came to the Lord, but then simply gave up decades later. They seemed saved. They weren't. The soil was rocky.
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One of the things that drives me nuts about young people music (of the non-rap variety. Raps just plain awful! lol) Everybody whineys their songs.
I was shocked when I realized my favorite singers from my youth (Jackson Browne, Carole King, James Taylor, Zeppelin, Janis, Dylan, Clapton, etc.) whined their songs too. BUT knowing that it was cool when I was young, I suspect, had I been just a little bit older to be aware of who McGuire was (apart from a guy in a song by the Mamas and Papas, who also whined lol), I would have liked him for his whininess.
Cohen? Pffft. I was never into THAT much whining!
I was shocked when I realized my favorite singers from my youth (Jackson Browne, Carole King, James Taylor, Zeppelin, Janis, Dylan, Clapton, etc.) whined their songs too. BUT knowing that it was cool when I was young, I suspect, had I been just a little bit older to be aware of who McGuire was (apart from a guy in a song by the Mamas and Papas, who also whined lol), I would have liked him for his whininess.
Cohen? Pffft. I was never into THAT much whining!