New Testament written in Aramaic, not Greek.

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RachelBibleStudent

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Rachel, that's fascinating! Where in the Bible can I find Paul's references to Plato's Allegory of the Cave? Thanks.
that is what he is alluding to in colossians 2:16 when he compares 'shadows' and 'the reality'...
 

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Rachel, that's fascinating! Where in the Bible can I find Paul's references to Plato's Allegory of the Cave? Thanks.
Tintin i did some digging & i think this must be referring to the discussion of "shadows of things to come" in Hebrews (and assuming that Paul is the author of this letter).
because of the vocabulary used, and the dichotomy drawn between the substance of Christ and the shadows that are the former things, the thought is that Plato's allegory, possibly through thinkers like Philo, was known & is in a way referenced in Hebrews 8-10.
of course it's inference and speculation based on similarity of thought, because the letter doesn't include a footnote explaining "by the way, you know Plato's allegory of the cave? well what i'm saying is like that.."
 

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that is what he is alluding to in colossians 2:16 when he compares 'shadows' and 'the reality'...
o hi Rachel haha you posted while i was typing :)

i guess, also in Colossians 2:16-17, too !
yes!

 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Tintin i did some digging & i think this must be referring to the discussion of "shadows of things to come" in Hebrews (and assuming that Paul is the author of this letter).
because of the vocabulary used, and the dichotomy drawn between the substance of Christ and the shadows that are the former things, the thought is that Plato's allegory, possibly through thinkers like Philo, was known & is in a way referenced in Hebrews 8-10.
of course it's inference and speculation based on similarity of thought, because the letter doesn't include a footnote explaining "by the way, you know Plato's allegory of the cave? well what i'm saying is like that.."
actually i was referring to paul's allusion to the allegory of the cave in colossians...although hebrews also includes some platonist themes...
 
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Tintin

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Many thanks, Rachel and PostHuman. :) That certainly makes a lot of sense. I really appreciate your help.
 
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Tintin

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Not true.
look it up.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Absolutely boggus.
The cave creatures were decieved and their shadows were 'reality' ...deception.

Hard to believe anyone would promote such a thing.
I think you're completely misunderstanding me. I'm fully aware of Plato's Allegory of the Cave and I'm not saying it's scriptural. Rachel just mentioned that Paul referenced it when he spoke in Colossians. There are other times in the Bible where people reference a pagan scholar or whatever. They're not endorsing those worldviews, beliefs, but meeting the people where they're at and then laying a godly perspective as a foundation for what they present next, to show the hope found in Christ. I think you misunderstood the Allegory itself.
 
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popeye

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I think you're completely misunderstanding me. I'm fully aware of Plato's Allegory of the Cave and I'm not saying it's scriptural. Rachel just mentioned that Paul referenced it when he spoke in Colossians. There are other times in the Bible where people reference a pagan scholar or whatever. They're not endorsing those worldviews, beliefs, but meeting the people where they're at and then laying a godly perspective as a foundation for what they present next, to show the hope found in Christ. I think you misunderstood the Allegory itself.
Paul did not need that allegory at all.

The cave creatures were prisoners.The shadows were deception.I know you are trying to cover for a friend,but that dog will never hunt

Types and shadows are purity. God chooses to reveal and illustrate through them.That cave mess is really out there. Boggus beyond belief
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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