rehashing

[elf3]

Some of you don't know me and some do. I left this site for 5 months because I was tired of the same stuff rehashed over and over. So what did I come back too? The exact same things!!! Scan the forums and tell me what the percentage is of Bible studies compared to arguments? Shoot there are two forums on OSAS. Stupid me I got caught back up in the same stuff!!! Some here have actually started real Bible studies, inculuding me, and they die off quick. Yet if I were to start a "works" related forum it would spread to hundreds of posts.

I appologize for me getting caught back up in the stuff...again. I appologize too God for me allowing myself to argue points that do not determine my salvation. One thing I won't do tho is appologize for standing up for God's Word and defending the blood of Christ! Only the blood of Christ can save us! Nothing else and no other name...period!!

 

[Tintin]

The Torah Study is a great thread, brother.

 

[elf3]

Thanks Tintin I'll have a read

 

[atwhatcost]

Some of you don't know me and some do. I left this site for 5 months because I was tired of the same stuff rehashed over and over. So what did I come back too? The exact same things!!! Scan the forums and tell me what the percentage is of Bible studies compared to arguments? Shoot there are two forums on OSAS. Stupid me I got caught back up in the same stuff!!! Some here have actually started real Bible studies, inculuding me, and they die off quick. Yet if I were to start a "works" related forum it would spread to hundreds of posts.

I appologize for me getting caught back up in the stuff...again. I appologize too God for me allowing myself to argue points that do not determine my salvation. One thing I won't do tho is appologize for standing up for God's Word and defending the blood of Christ! Only the blood of Christ can save us! Nothing else and no other name...period!!

I get the frustration. Sadly, the rehashes are the ones who go on eternally too. New concepts, or even different concepts disappear into page three before anyone notices.

(Last night/early this morning the Catholic Heresy post got all the way down to the bottom of page two. I really thought it was going to disappear. And then I wake up this morning and it's back. I used to think it was a sticky post. It's not. )

 

[dcontroversal]

The problem is...no matter what gets brought up biblically there are about two or three who will turn it into a loss of salvation and or a working for salvation thread........or a sinless perfectionist thread.....I even started a thread...on the END TIMES and within two posts a particular member turned it into a working for salvation thread while ignoring the thread title.........and then argued semantics and his right to post his working for salvation pseudo gospel.......!

Just because I said..The whole council of God concerning the END and the coming of Christ......

 

[purgedconscience]

Some of you don't know me and some do. I left this site for 5 months because I was tired of the same stuff rehashed over and over. So what did I come back too? The exact same things!!! Scan the forums and tell me what the percentage is of Bible studies compared to arguments? Shoot there are two forums on OSAS. Stupid me I got caught back up in the same stuff!!! Some here have actually started real Bible studies, inculuding me, and they die off quick. Yet if I were to start a "works" related forum it would spread to hundreds of posts.

I appologize for me getting caught back up in the stuff...again. I appologize too God for me allowing myself to argue points that do not determine my salvation. One thing I won't do tho is appologize for standing up for God's Word and defending the blood of Christ! Only the blood of Christ can save us! Nothing else and no other name...period!!

I think that we've all noticed the constant rehashings and I've previously offered what I believe to be the underlying reason for the same:

Pride.

At best, we can only plant and water and God alone can give the increase. In spite of this reality, there are several forum members here, on both sides of the constantly rehashed arguments, who apparently believe themselves capable of forcing the increase by constantly seeking to browbeat others into submission. Again, the underlying reason for this is pride. They're going to get the glory (vain-).

Just ignore such threads and types and don't let them agitate you.

My two cents.

 

[purgedconscience]

Perhaps a group of us can join together and sign some sort of online petition addressed to the site administrator and the moderators in which we request a separate subsection for OSAS discussions? That way, anybody who wants to partake in those discussions can do so in a designated subsection of this forum and any newbies with questions pertaining to OSAS can similarly be directed there. How does that sound? Perhaps a similar subsection for law vs. grace discussions can be implemented as well. Maybe we can start a thread where everybody in favor of the same gives their online consent and then it can be brought to the attention of the site administrator and the moderators for possible implementation. If such a petition is made and approved, then the moderators could move any new threads on these discussions in the BDF to the proper subsections of the forum and the rest of us can actually discuss other things without having to constantly watch thread after thread be derailed. I'm in. Anybody else? If others are interested, then I'll start the thread/petition. Please let me know. Thank you.

 

[Willie-T]

Perhaps a group of us can join together and sign some sort of online petition addressed to the site administrator and the moderators in which we request a separate subsection for OSAS discussions? That way, anybody who wants to partake in those discussions can do so in a designated subsection of this forum and any newbies with questions pertaining to OSAS can similarly be directed there. How does that sound? Perhaps a similar subsection for law vs. grace discussions can be implemented as well. Maybe we can start a thread where everybody in favor of the same gives their online consent and then it can be brought to the attention of the site administrator and the moderators for possible implementation. If such a petition is made and approved, then the moderators could move any new threads on these discussions in the BDF to the proper subsections of the forum and the rest of us can actually discuss other things without having to constantly watch thread after thread be derailed. I'm in. Anybody else? If others are interested, then I'll start the thread/petition. Please let me know. Thank you.

We already have that. It's called a THREAD TITLE. Simply don't open the ones you don't want to be a part of.

 

[purgedconscience]

We already have that. It's called a THREAD TITLE. Simply don't open the ones you don't want to be a part of.

Actually, that's how I regularly behave myself around this forum. I regularly don't even bother looking at certain threads based solely upon the title/topic or, in some instances, the poster who started the thread. Apparently, some here are having trouble with such temperance or self-control, so I made my suggestion more for the sakes of others than for myself. I can easily ignore topics or people and I've never once employed the ignore function offered by this site. For me, it's really a matter of redeeming the time wisely. In other words, I refuse to waste my time that I'll give an account to God for one day by arguing with those who simply aren't going to hear.

 

[Utah]

Some of you don't know me and some do. I left this site for 5 months because I was tired of the same stuff rehashed over and over. So what did I come back too? The exact same things!!! Scan the forums and tell me what the percentage is of Bible studies compared to arguments? Shoot there are two forums on OSAS. Stupid me I got caught back up in the same stuff!!! Some here have actually started real Bible studies, inculuding me, and they die off quick. Yet if I were to start a "works" related forum it would spread to hundreds of posts.

I appologize for me getting caught back up in the stuff...again. I appologize too God for me allowing myself to argue points that do not determine my salvation. One thing I won't do tho is appologize for standing up for God's Word and defending the blood of Christ! Only the blood of Christ can save us! Nothing else and no other name...period!!

Great to see you back here, Brother! Your thread made me think of something. I visited a nursing home yesterday and the activities director told me once a week a pastor visits the residents and tells them they're all going to hell. I'll be there next week when he shows up. I don't want to argue with him, but make no mistake, I'll be sharing God's love and grace with this pastor's victims.

 

[purgedconscience]

Great to see you back here, Brother! Your thread made me think of something. I visited a nursing home yesterday and the activities director told me once a week a pastor visits the residents and tells them they're all going to hell. I'll be there next week when he shows up. I don't want to argue with him, but make no mistake, I'll be sharing God's love and grace with this pastor's victims.

I'm guessing that there's more to the pastor's message than that, but I could be mistaken. There are those who feel that it's their ministry to tell everybody that they're going to hell without lifting a finger to try to prevent the same. Personally, I don't see a distinction between telling people that they're going to hell and God's love and grace. In other words, people wouldn't need God's grace to save them from damnation if that wasn't where they were initially headed.

 

[StevieJ]

You are all guilty in this forum. I saw guys bring fresh things here and you all hounded them out. Most of what is said in here is so far from Christ. I see so much attacking for no reason. Its not scriptural. Now lets see how many take offence? I seen so manty threads of you all attacking brothers and sisters. The majority of whats printed here is so un-christ like. Take two weeks off and come back and look at what you said to each other. Its truly shocking. There are more encouraging people in my local pub.

We are all at diferent levels with Christ and when someone talks over your leval you attack them.

Has anyone in here got actual qualifications for teaching? You all talk like you are teachers. Do any in here preach at your church?

Most of what is in here is not that nice.

 

[purgedconscience]

You are all guilty in this forum. I saw guys bring fresh things here and you all hounded them out. Most of what is said in here is so far from Christ. I see so much attacking for no reason. Its not scriptural. Now lets see how many take offence? I seen so manty threads of you all attacking brothers and sisters. The majority of whats printed here is so un-christ like. Take two weeks off and come back and look at what you said to each other. Its truly shocking. There are more encouraging people in my local pub.

We are all at diferent levels with Christ and when someone talks over your leval you attack them.

Has anyone in here got actual qualifications for teaching? You all talk like you are teachers. Do any in here preach at your church?

Most of what is in here is not that nice.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of truth in what you just said.

 

[Utah]

You are all guilty in this forum. I saw guys bring fresh things here and you all hounded them out. Most of what is said in here is so far from Christ. I see so much attacking for no reason. Its not scriptural. Now lets see how many take offence? I seen so manty threads of you all attacking brothers and sisters. The majority of whats printed here is so un-christ like. Take two weeks off and come back and look at what you said to each other. Its truly shocking. There are more encouraging people in my local pub.

We are all at diferent levels with Christ and when someone talks over your leval you attack them.

Has anyone in here got actual qualifications for teaching? You all talk like you are teachers. Do any in here preach at your church?

Most of what is in here is not that nice.

I'm harsh with Pharisees who shut out the Kingdom of Heaven against others and I make no apologies for doing so. As far as qualifications for teaching, I have a teaching degree and an M-Div, but that means nothing to me. I'd rather listen to people who's hearts are in tone with Jesus; people who immerse themselves in Scripture, prayer and live according to God's Greatest Commandments.

All that said, I take no offense at what you share because I need correction everyday, and am grateful to receive it from folks who understand our need for grace. Besides, I too have my favorite pub.

 

[Utah]

Personally, I don't see a distinction between telling people that they're going to hell and God's love and grace. In other words, people wouldn't need God's grace to save them from damnation if that wasn't where they were initially headed.

There's a huge distinction. You damn people everyday and they're going to walk away from the faith, if not down right hate God because of your words. You share love and grace and they're going to rejoice, praise God and share the Word with others.

 

[Willie-T]

Great to see you back here, Brother! Your thread made me think of something. I visited a nursing home yesterday and the activities director told me once a week a pastor visits the residents and tells them they're all going to hell. I'll be there next week when he shows up. I don't want to argue with him, but make no mistake, I'll be sharing God's love and grace with this pastor's victims.

Go for it, Brother. I'd be there with you if I could. I imagine he is just doing what he thinks is God's will in preaching damnation (like some posters here seem to be obsessed with doing), but his negative message still needs to be countered with the actual words of Jesus.

 

[Tintin]

All? All? Someone needs to lay off the generalizations, but yes, much of the Bible Discussion Forum is hellish by nature. It's not good.

 

[notuptome]

There's a huge distinction. You damn people everyday and they're going to walk away from the faith, if not down right hate God because of your words. You share love and grace and they're going to rejoice, praise God and share the Word with others.

Like that's not debatable.

God loves them without doubt but God hates sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[purgedconscience]

There's a huge distinction. You damn people everyday and they're going to walk away from the faith, if not down right hate God because of your words. You share love and grace and they're going to rejoice, praise God and share the Word with others.

I've been to a few nursing homes and hospitals myself with church groups. What have I witnessed? Well, a lot of nice singing, a lot of loving on folks, some gift giving and a message that basically consists of, Hey, Jesus is the Shepherd...Would you like to be one of His sheep? Then there's a little prayer and everybody leaves for a year. When you come back a year later, what do you see? Nobody's changed in the least bit. Nobody's reading the Bible, nobody's hungering and thirsting for righteousness, etc., etc., etc. Where's the problem? In the patients or in the ministers? It's in the ministers. It's the sick who need a doctor, but too many people are afraid to address the topic of sin. Like I said, I have no problem with love and grace or with the singing, loving and gift giving that I described, but if it leaves people in their same sinful condition when everything is said and done, then it's ultimately useless in the end.

 

[Willie-T]

I've been to a few nursing homes and hospitals myself with church groups. What have I witnessed? Well, a lot of nice singing, a lot of loving on folks, some gift giving and a message that basically consists of, Hey, Jesus is the Shepherd...Would you like to be one of His sheep? Then there's a little prayer and everybody leaves for a year. When you come back a year later, what do you see? Nobody's changed in the least bit. Nobody's reading the Bible, nobody's hungering and thirsting for righteousness, etc., etc., etc. Where's the problem? In the patients or in the ministers? It's in the ministers. It's the sick who need a doctor, but too many people are afraid to address the topic of sin. Like I said, I have no problem with love and grace or with the singing, loving and gift giving that I described, but if it leaves people in their same sinful condition when everything is said and done, then it's ultimately useless in the end.

I'm afraid you both might be missing part of what is needed. I don't think much gets accomplished either way with a "drive-by method of just hitting them with a message. As with so much of our teaching, I think we almost totally neglect to become their friends. Sadly, we sometimes think just "preaching" at people is what Jesus sent us out to do.