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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
 
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During those times Israel was a people set apart from the other peoples and obviously it is through Judah that God planned to bring us Jesus.

Adam and Eve would sort of be jewish. A jew is someone of the tribe of Judah. Since obviously Judah was born well after Adam and Eve they would not exactly be jewish, but since Judah did come out of Adam's loins I suppose in part they were.

The Jews and Israelites did share the Torah and other writings obviously since they exist still even today in a collection of books aptly called The Bible. Christians are special because Christians are the true Israel.

God actually does do wonders for non-jews and non-israelites throughout the Old Testament, for two examples you have Ruth a Moabitess whom was grafted into Israel by marriage and faith. Another good example which even Jesus refers to is Naaman the Syrian whom God healed of leprosy in the book of the kings.
 
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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
The fact of the matter is that God didn’t choose the Jews – He chose the Israelites, the race of people who sprang from Adam in Eden, a family-nation of Syrians (Aramaeans), the progeny of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abram, the latter a Syrian man who was born outside his own country, in south Babylon, at Ur (Genesis 11:28).
 
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The fact of the matter is that God didn’t choose the Jews – He chose the Israelites, the race of people who sprang from Adam in Eden, a family-nation of Syrians (Aramaeans), the progeny of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abram, the latter a Syrian man who was born outside his own country, in south Babylon, at Ur (Genesis 11:28).
Actually the Israelites are not of the line of Aram (the Arameans) or Asshur (the Syrians). Though they are distantly related as Asshur and Aram were both sons of Shem. Abraham comes from Arphaxad (Genesis 10:21 and Genesis 11).
 

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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
He communicated at least with Adam and Eve, Cain, Enoch, Noah all non Jews and many other Gentiles after Abraham...e.g. Abimelech, Nebuchadnezzar etc.
 
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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
Jao -- a ancient Chinese word meaning Jehovah. Over the millennium it has been changed to Dao.
Jove -- a Roman God. Jehovah. Over the years they invented a head God and named in Jupiter.

Are you all that sure God only communicated to the Jews?
 
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Jao -- a ancient Chinese word meaning Jehovah. Over the millennium it has been changed to Dao.
Jove -- a Roman God. Jehovah. Over the years they invented a head God and named in Jupiter.

Are you all that sure God only communicated to the Jews?
I get your sentiment, and indeed God communicated and did great things before the Gentiles, but those baalim mentioned are no-gods.
 
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The fact of the matter is that God didn’t choose the Jews – He chose the Israelites, the race of people who sprang from Adam in Eden, a family-nation of Syrians (Aramaeans), the progeny of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abram, the latter a Syrian man who was born outside his own country, in south Babylon, at Ur (Genesis 11:28).
If Abraham was a Syrian Ur sure is a long ways from Syria.
 
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Jews came from the tribe of Judah- which was one of the twelve sons of Jacob- whose name was changed to Israel. King David, and Jesus also came from this one of the twelve tribes of Israel, and are therefore Jews. Adam and Eve are Judah's ancestors of course (as we are all related if you go back far enough), but Jews weren't called Jews until the tribe of Judah.

God has always communicated with His people, from their creation to this very day. Some people say God was so involved in the Old Testament, and now He is silent. It only seems this way because in the Old Testament things were done physically that are now done spiritually. God physically spoke to Moses from a fiery bush, He led His people through the dessert in a cloud during the day, and by a pillar of fire at night- that is pretty hands on. Now think of what the non-physical equivalent of that is. God speaks to us through His Word- they did not have the complete bible in the Old Testament. Now that we have perfection, we no longer need prophets to tell us what the Lord God says, cause we have His complete Word. And He is still very much alive and active today. He just works spiritually now instead of physically.
 
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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
Have you considered that God may have communicated with many people, but it was Abraham who truly listened, heard, and obeyed? Because Abraham obeyed God, God then promised Abraham a son in his old age, through a barren wife who was also well past child bearing years, and told Abraham that through his seed, all the world would be blessed. Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, who were the fathers of the tribes of Israel, through whom Jesus, the promised Messiah, was born. Jesus ushered in a new covenant for all who would be reconciled to God, through repentance and faith, by His shed blood on our behalf. What's up with that, you ask? What's up with that is that God desires to have a relationship with you, as that is what humanity was created for. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophesies, and is our mediator, and high priest.
 
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JaumeJ

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Before there were any strange gods among us was I AM. We tend to call Him God in this day and age.
The last of the people (not the only ones) was Abram and his kin who still worshiped the Living God. They were descendants of Eber, though all mankind is desended of Adam, then Noah.
Abram believed God, therefore he was given the "brit" or covenant that his descendants were to be the possessors of the Gat of thieir enemies. Their enemies would be the remainder of humanity who did not yet worship the Living God, but still worshiped gods whom they had conceived through many years of the tratdions of their own forfathers.
The Gate is Jesus Christ. When we enter the Gate we are among the nation of God, for they are the possessors of the Gate, and we also become possessors of the Gate, that is Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the lLife.
The aforementioned "brit" or covenant was given to Abram, now called Abraham, long before the law.
The title, Jew, is from Judah, and it is only correct for believers who praise God, for Leah declared when she gave birth to a nother boy child, "I will now praise God." This is Juidah, I will now praie God.
So these titles are primarily important in conveying the history of our faith, the faith of Abraham. Our faith is a gift of God, just as it was for Abraham.
We may also be called the Israel of God, but titles are not important. What is important is to understand our faith, as taught by Jesus Christ, is likened to the faith of Abraham, and it does make us his spiritual descendants. If believers do not recognize this, I will not say they are not true family in Yeshua, but I will say with understanding that this denieal of Abraham as our forefather will lead to many tears being wiped away by our beloved Father.
Let us worship Jesus Christ in spirit and truth, for anything less is lacking, amen.
 

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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?

God dealt directly with a chosen people in order to preserve the way until the time of the Messiah. Israel was the nation that God set aside for this specific purpose. Luke 3 list the lineage of Adam to Christ. The Jews (Judah) and Levites were 2 of 12 tribes, the other 10 tribes were captured and scattered. God's law (Torah) was delivered to Moses to keep the Hebrews separate from all the surrounding pagans, and was necessary to keep Israel from idolatry.

The lineage of Jesus (messiah) was prophesied to be a descendent of David, and he would come to liberate His people (Luke 4:18-19). But Jesus later prophesied that his "Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations" (Matthew 24:14). After his resurrection he ordered his apostles to; "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19). He specifically commissioned the apostle Paul to take his word to the Gentiles. And of course John 3:16 says that "whosoever believeth", which is all inclusive and not limited to Jews.

All believers (Christians) are special because through the spirit of adoption, we are all sons and daughters of God (Galatians 4:4-6, Romans 8:15-17). Hallelujah for that.

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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
God has always communicated in several ways with both Gentiles and Jews alike. As others have already mentioned, Jews didn't even come into existence until Judah, Jacob's fourth son was born, so all those, like Adam and Eve, whom God communicated with prior to that were Gentiles. Also, God doesn't only communicate with people via the spoken Word. For example, He communicates with the whole world via creation which points us to our Creator:

Psalm 19 verses 1 thru 6

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


Truly day unto day utters speech and night unto night shows knowledge and there is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard, but are people listening or are they ever seeking to discount God by attributing His handiwork to such things as evolution and Mother Nature? The Psalmist said that their line is gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world and Paul likened this to the gospel in his epistle to the Romans:

Romans chapter 10 verses 16 thru 18

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Paul also said the following:

Romans chapter 1 verses 18 thru 20

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


All men are without excuse because that which may be known of God has been manifest in them in that God has showed it to them by displaying His eternal power and Godhead through creation and also in that God has given every one of us a conscience by which we may govern our thoughts in relation to that which is either right or wrong in God's eyes:

Romans chapter 2 verses 11 thru 16

For there is no respect of persons with God.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another);
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


Not being a respecter of persons, God has given to all, both Gentiles and Jews alike, a conscience which either accuses or excuses their thoughts and consequently their actions before Him and this is what Paul called the law written in their hearts.

For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah?
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The Jews did share the Torah, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. When God gave the law, as unpopular a message as it is today, He actually gave it to the whole world through the Jews that every mouth might be stopped and that the whole world might become guilty before Him and thereby recognize their need for a Saviour:

Romans chapter 3 verses 19 thru 23

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Why are Christians so special now?
We're special because of our relationship to Jesus Christ and that relationship is available to both Jews and Gentiles alike:

Galatians chapter 3 verses 26 thru 29

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
Again, the problem isn't that God doesn't reveal Himself to all, but rather that many people willfully shut their eyes, stop their ears and harden their hearts to that which God has revealed unto them:

Matthew chapter 13 verses 13 thru 15

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
 
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Why did God only communicate only with the Jews? Was Adam and Eve Jews?
For instance, the Jews did not share the Torah? Why are Christians so special now?
It seemed like God did not reveal himself to non-jews. What's up with that?
I think the Lord walks with everyone. He uses the Jews to teach us things.
 
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Jao -- a ancient Chinese word meaning Jehovah. Over the millennium it has been changed to Dao.
Jove -- a Roman God. Jehovah. Over the years they invented a head God and named in Jupiter.

Are you all that sure God only communicated to the Jews?
Uh... Ya might want to check that for accuracy. Just sayin'.
 
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I get your sentiment, and indeed God communicated and did great things before the Gentiles, but those baalim mentioned are no-gods.
I AM that I AM is no god? Pffft!
 
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Uh... Ya might want to check that for accuracy. Just sayin'.
Right. Dao should have been Tao. The disadvantage of going with how it sounded in my brain. lol

As for where I learned it? I don't remember which of my Dead Guys taught it to me. I'm thinking Adam Clarke. Might be Albert Barnes. Slight chance it was John Gill, but I doubt it. He tends to focus on the Jewish aspects of the Bible more than the history of the world.
 

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I Am, I am That I am, Yahweh, Jehovah, God, and many more are valid titles for our Father when intended to honor ou rMaker. To deny any becaue of the name they find most comfortable in faith is really kind of petty. I like, and understan, using the name, Yahweh, Yeshua, and HaRuach HaChodesh, and I have the last one wrong most of the time, but guess what!? God understands me implicitely. Now if everyone knows to Whom all others are referring, why the bickering over each others paise of our Fadther? I do not mind people saying the Hellenized names if they understand what they are saying, so why should they nor understand we all are talking about our Father? Don't be duhhhh about our family...........
 
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Have you considered that God may have communicated with many people, but it was Abraham who truly listened, heard, and obeyed? Because Abraham obeyed God, God then promised Abraham a son in his old age, through a barren wife who was also well past child bearing years, and told Abraham that through his seed, all the world would be blessed. Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, who were the fathers of the tribes of Israel, through whom Jesus, the promised Messiah, was born. Jesus ushered in a new covenant for all who would be reconciled to God, through repentance and faith, by His shed blood on our behalf. What's up with that, you ask? What's up with that is that God desires to have a relationship with you, as that is what humanity was created for. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophesies, and is our mediator, and high priest.
I can't really agree with this. By the time Abraham came along there were people on all continents. We have no account for what was going on in Australia or the Americas at that time, and very little account of all other places. I've already mentioned the ancient people from what is now China knew of the great Jao/Jehovah. The Greeks (before they were Greeks) knew of the great Jove/Jehovah. To say Abraham was the only one stretches it too far. He was the one God chose, but that doesn't make him the only one.

That God made himself known in the Far East and above the Mediterranean suggest his word is right in saying we have no excuse. To suggest Abraham was the only one is to give excuse to anyone who never learned about this history. So this really matters.