Who is he Jesus?

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Is he God ( i think there's no verses related to)
; or Son of God ( i don't think too);
Is he prophet ( there are some verses)?;
Is he son of man ( there are some verses) ,

I ve never succeed to understand. and when Jesus died on the cross, The Father and the holy spirit died also or they remain alive. then what's happened for the saint trinity?



please help me
 
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wwjd_kilden

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There are MANY verses related to Jesus being God
 
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wwjd_kilden

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For starters, have a good look at John 1:

[my addition]

1 In the beginning [Lit: Before time/ before the begging] was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[SUP]a[/SUP] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light [Jesus] that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word [Jesus] became flesh and made his dwelling among us . We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

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John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
 
Aug 2, 2015
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For starters, have a good look at John 1:

[my addition]

1 In the beginning [Lit: Before time/ before the begging] was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[SUP]a[/SUP] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light [Jesus] that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word [Jesus] became flesh and made his dwelling among us . We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

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John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
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Thank you

but you don't prove it. i am waiting for Jesus say: I am God in only one verse
I am the light does not mean God
what you are writting is what John think about Jesus. these text are all narratives
 

Magenta

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Is he God ( i think there's no verses related to)
; or Son of God ( i don't think too);
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."
 
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When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."
"Son of God" on Jews mouth mean Messiah. in Old testament Jacob , Salomon ,David and all the Jews are sons of God.
you don't prove it too. when Jesus say : Iam God
 

Magenta

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"Son of God" on Jews mouth mean Messiah. in Old testament Jacob , Salomon ,David and all the Jews are sons of God.
you don't prove it too. when Jesus say : Iam God
You contradict yourself trying to make a point. Jesus affirms being the Son of God. Your original claim was you did not think so. I simply proved you wrong.
 

Magenta

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John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
 

Magenta

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Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
 
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Thank you

but you don't prove it. i am waiting for Jesus say: I am God in only one verse
I am the light does not mean God
what you are writting is what John think about Jesus. these text are all narratives
well, there we have it in a nutshell. :)

it seems the OP doesn't really have an interest in what the Scriptures say about the Lord Jesus.
if you won't or can't believe the Bible, you will not believe what it says about God.

if you consider these texts all narratives, what does is matter if Jesus says I AM God in only one verse? :rolleyes:

(you might want to research I AM in the Old Testament and in the Gospel of John, if you're serious.)
 

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John 8:58
Jesus said to them,
“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
 

Magenta

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John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
 

Magenta

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John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
 
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wwjd_kilden

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If you don't want to see the truth, you never will. We cannot convince you if you made up your mind to believe what you already decided to believe
 

valiant

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Is he God ( i think there's no verses related to)
; or Son of God ( i don't think too);
Is he prophet ( there are some verses)?;
Is he son of man ( there are some verses) ,

I ve never succeed to understand. and when Jesus died on the cross, The Father and the holy spirit died also or they remain alive. then what's happened for the saint trinity?



please help me
I am not really sure that you want to be helped but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I met a man at Hyde Park Corner who claimed to be god. How do you think I viewed him? Did I fall down and worship him? No I felt sorry for him.

But Jesus made clear that He was God. When Philip said to Him, 'Show us the Father and that will be sufficient for us', Jesus' reply was, 'Have I been with you for such a long time and yet you have not known Me Philip? He Who has seen Me has seen the Father.'

Philip's question was a serious one. He wanted actually to SEE the Father. If Jesus was not simply mocking him, His reply revealed that He and the Father were so One together that to have seen One was to have seen the other.

Of course Jesus allowed wriggle room. And there is no part of Scripture on which people wriggle more. But that was Jesus' intention. He would never have said, 'I am God'. It would have attracted all the wrong kinds of people and the wrong kind of belief. Rather He wanted it to dawn on men that He was God so that they knew it in their hearts. Those Who wanted the truth would see it. Those who wanted to wriggle around it would be free to do so.

If I showed you a verse in which Jesus said, 'I am God.' Would that convince you? No, of course not. You would set about wriggling around it. Jesus showed Himself to be God. Those to whom it was given by God recognised the truth. Those who did not want to see would wriggle round it.

When Magenta showed you the words of Peter, 'You are the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD' you immediately wriggled round it. But 'Son of God' was not a recognised Messianic title, and 'son of the living God' certainly was not. . For Peter to see that He was the Messiah would not necessarily have required special revelation from God. But for him to see that He was the Son of the Living God did require such revelation.

He had good cause. In John 5.23 Jesus had revealed Himself as being worthy of the same honour as the Father. Now the only One Who is worthy of EQUAL honour with God, is God. SO THIS WAS A CLEAR CLAIM TO GODHEAD.

Again when Jesus spoke of God as 'His own Father' the Jews sought to kill Him. They recognised what He was claiming. He was claiming to be God (John 5.17 ff.)
 

valiant

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I ve never succeed to understand. and when Jesus died on the cross, The Father and the holy spirit died also or they remain alive. then what's happened for the saint trinity?


please help me
When Jesus died on the cross He commended His spirit into the hands of His Father. His body died and was laid in the grave, but His spirit did not die. it went to be with God in Paradise.

God could not die. Only Jesus' manhood could die. His spirit, along with the Spirit of His Father and the Holy Spirit were together in eternity.
 

posthuman

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but you don't prove it. i am waiting for Jesus say: I am God in only one verse
The disciples came to him and asked,
“Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
He replied,
Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.



 
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Is he God ( i think there's no verses related to)
; or Son of God ( i don't think too);
Is he prophet ( there are some verses)?;
Is he son of man ( there are some verses) ,

please help me
Jesus is the Messiah, the only Son of God!

I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.