By your actions (Pt 2): How would other people describe what kind of person you are?
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You don't see it? "could they tell you were Christian or had Christ living within you by your treatment of others here?"
Well . . . since the thread is addressing "individuals" and I answered concerning myself . . . How would other people describe what kind of person you are . . . You are bringing in EVERYONE ELSE to my response. Oh well, maybe I am the only one who thought I was being Christ-like in my responses . . . LOL . . . I know how many times I had to bite my tongue!!!
Now you have the responsibility to show me where I have been unChrist-like in my responses.
Well . . . since the thread is addressing "individuals" and I answered concerning myself . . . How would other people describe what kind of person you are . . . You are bringing in EVERYONE ELSE to my response. Oh well, maybe I am the only one who thought I was being Christ-like in my responses . . . LOL . . . I know how many times I had to bite my tongue!!!
Now you have the responsibility to show me where I have been unChrist-like in my responses.
As I said. Some may not have shown unChristlike behavior personally with their words, but when they side with otheres who are unChristlike in behavior by giving them.... "likes" or agreeing with them. That's the problem.
Also, when one believes they can sin and still be saved, that is like saying you can do evil and still be accepted by God. But that is not possible because God is Holy and cannot condone sin.
Also, when one believes they can sin and still be saved, that is like saying you can do evil and still be accepted by God. But that is not possible because God is Holy and cannot condone sin.
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Re: By your actions (Pt 2): How would other people describe what kind of person you
The point I am getting at is that is that Jesus said we will know if someone is false by their fruit. When one examines their life, are they seeing mostly bad fruit versus good fruit? Do they see their life ever changing for the better? Do they make excuses for living in sin for others? How is that teaching effecting them? In a good way or bad way?
The point I am getting at is that is that Jesus said we will know if someone is false by their fruit. When one examines their life, are they seeing mostly bad fruit versus good fruit? Do they see their life ever changing for the better? Do they make excuses for living in sin for others? How is that teaching effecting them? In a good way or bad way?
In other words, one cannot be a sheep if they are behaving like a wolf all the time. For Jesus even said in Matthew 7 that the false prophets appear as sheep (all good, cute, cuddly, and nice), but INWARDLY they are ravenous wolves. Meaning INWARDLY they are evil and are just pretending to be good (When they really are not).
K
Re: By your actions (Pt 2): How would other people describe what kind of person you
Well this question only depends on what group or groups you are referring to because one group could see you as very loving, caring, and Christ-like individual.
But then others who do not agree with you would see you as judgmental and a false accuser.
Another group may not even care to pay one little bit of attention to you one way or the other.
We can not truly answer for others how they see you because it depends on where they are coming from and how they have been taught or raised. For those who know we are loving and caring by our words, others may take it offensively and say we have no right to reprove them and therefore think we are judgmental.
Well this question only depends on what group or groups you are referring to because one group could see you as very loving, caring, and Christ-like individual.
But then others who do not agree with you would see you as judgmental and a false accuser.
Another group may not even care to pay one little bit of attention to you one way or the other.
We can not truly answer for others how they see you because it depends on where they are coming from and how they have been taught or raised. For those who know we are loving and caring by our words, others may take it offensively and say we have no right to reprove them and therefore think we are judgmental.
You still have the responsibility to show me where I have been unChrist-like in my responses. I like post because of the point being made and I don't think that I have ever "liked" a really bad derogatory post although I can't remember each post - I am glad that you can . . . Here's something for ya - Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen. It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? NO ONE. Christ Jesus who died -- more than that, who was raised to life -- is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. . . . You set up this thread to accuse people and belittle their relationship with God. You need to stop and think - How would other people describe what kind of person you are? Have you ever heard of "slanderer"?
I believe I am saved by the power of God through my faith in Jesus Christ. I believe that once I am a child of God - I am always a child of God. God MAKES ME holy through that divine nature that is born within me - I CANNOT DO ENOUGH TO EARN THE GIFT OF SALVATION -
I believe I am saved by the power of God through my faith in Jesus Christ. I believe that once I am a child of God - I am always a child of God. God MAKES ME holy through that divine nature that is born within me - I CANNOT DO ENOUGH TO EARN THE GIFT OF SALVATION -
Re: By your actions (Pt 2): How would other people describe what kind of person you
If I gave someone a penny it would be more than you had but would you take note of it? Probably not. But would you not still thank the giver regardless? If the giver gave you a 12 million dollar check would you take notice of it? Would you thank the giver as well? Would you not simply run then to cash and tell friends of the gift, and enjoy and partake of its bounty? Of coarse. When Jason asked the question in part one of what did you see yourself as, he was in essence asking us what gift do you see? When he asked part II he was asking how did you use it based on how you saw it?
Some see the gift of Jesus as a great penny only to ignore and undermine it's value, as they climb over Him to thank the giver earnestly for the offer. Others, see the value in the gift itself, and equally thank the giver, but find in them a spirit of desire to use the gift, and enjoy it's bounty.
Now just think what the giver will think when he sees both parties again on judgement: "Did you value the gift I lavished on you?" Well God the first party would say, "I want to tell you how much I appreciate you letting me in here I knew when you gave me a gift you were the man." And He turns to the second party asking the same question:"Did you value the gift I gave you?" "I loved the gift so much I used it to do all sorts of stuff with it, I got so involved I never even noticed all the things I left behind in using it,we got so carried away in helping peoples needs from loving the gift we can only hope we honored you for we love you giver as well." Guess what His answer will be?
Part two gives an accountability to how you see what you got vs. what you have done with it. Sounds like a parable doesn't it and not the sheep and goats either! Another one of stewardship.
If I gave someone a penny it would be more than you had but would you take note of it? Probably not. But would you not still thank the giver regardless? If the giver gave you a 12 million dollar check would you take notice of it? Would you thank the giver as well? Would you not simply run then to cash and tell friends of the gift, and enjoy and partake of its bounty? Of coarse. When Jason asked the question in part one of what did you see yourself as, he was in essence asking us what gift do you see? When he asked part II he was asking how did you use it based on how you saw it?
Some see the gift of Jesus as a great penny only to ignore and undermine it's value, as they climb over Him to thank the giver earnestly for the offer. Others, see the value in the gift itself, and equally thank the giver, but find in them a spirit of desire to use the gift, and enjoy it's bounty.
Now just think what the giver will think when he sees both parties again on judgement: "Did you value the gift I lavished on you?" Well God the first party would say, "I want to tell you how much I appreciate you letting me in here I knew when you gave me a gift you were the man." And He turns to the second party asking the same question:"Did you value the gift I gave you?" "I loved the gift so much I used it to do all sorts of stuff with it, I got so involved I never even noticed all the things I left behind in using it,we got so carried away in helping peoples needs from loving the gift we can only hope we honored you for we love you giver as well." Guess what His answer will be?
Part two gives an accountability to how you see what you got vs. what you have done with it. Sounds like a parable doesn't it and not the sheep and goats either! Another one of stewardship.
Re: By your actions (Pt 2): How would other people describe what kind of person you
Not again! Jason, please leave off this nonsense of thinking of different ways to prove you are right. It is the height of arrogance to presume that you are the only one with the truth, the only one who is not sinning, which is a lie anyway.
So, back to my question, using your criteria, am I saved or not?
Yes, I often like people's posts who make a strong point I agree with. I try not to like posts that are obviously cruel or involve name calling, unless it is justified! I don't think you should be judging my salvation on the basis of whether I agree with you, by judging which posts I like.
For one thing, you are completely wrong in your theology with regards to soteriology, and for another, you are obsessed and only post on one topic, (except maybe the self defense topic) and you have made multiple threads which the majority by far do not agree with.
So carry on with this posting on the same thing over and over. But do tell me whether you think I am saved. After all, you seem to think you can freely judge anyone, who Biblically disagrees with you.
Not again! Jason, please leave off this nonsense of thinking of different ways to prove you are right. It is the height of arrogance to presume that you are the only one with the truth, the only one who is not sinning, which is a lie anyway.
So, back to my question, using your criteria, am I saved or not?
Yes, I often like people's posts who make a strong point I agree with. I try not to like posts that are obviously cruel or involve name calling, unless it is justified! I don't think you should be judging my salvation on the basis of whether I agree with you, by judging which posts I like.
For one thing, you are completely wrong in your theology with regards to soteriology, and for another, you are obsessed and only post on one topic, (except maybe the self defense topic) and you have made multiple threads which the majority by far do not agree with.
So carry on with this posting on the same thing over and over. But do tell me whether you think I am saved. After all, you seem to think you can freely judge anyone, who Biblically disagrees with you.
I already explained this. I am declaring I am a follower of Jesus Christ. That is my vote. And that I am a man who is for standing up for doing what is right. But I didn't vote because I want to quickly observe what people say about themselves. So when they claim they are for righteousness, and yet identify themselves with being a sinner, then they are stating a contradiction and do not fully have a grasp of what is right or wrong.
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Whenever we make our personal convictions the standards for a society or a thread, we take them the first step away from Christ, and that will happen every time the light we are walking in is not the light of God. I could easily give an option that would be prudently understandable to your suggestion of Jason's purpose, but for me this is not necessary. His action is not needing defending.
I speak in way of your comment for another reason, it is enough to make, even, the heart of a stone to bleed to see royal souls turning away from God in their very eagerness to serve Him, and entering into worldliness instead of standing absolutely detached unto God.
We need to grow up in Christ, mature to an understanding of how we must live a detached life unto God. Subjectivity, feelings, human reasoning, and the like needs to be blanketed by an intensely narrow moral purity, not of a narrow mind.
I speak in way of your comment for another reason, it is enough to make, even, the heart of a stone to bleed to see royal souls turning away from God in their very eagerness to serve Him, and entering into worldliness instead of standing absolutely detached unto God.
We need to grow up in Christ, mature to an understanding of how we must live a detached life unto God. Subjectivity, feelings, human reasoning, and the like needs to be blanketed by an intensely narrow moral purity, not of a narrow mind.
I set out to judge false doctrines of devils and not people. If I see someone do bad things, that is another matter and I can correct them by the Word of God (if it is something I have not done myself recently). Anyways, I have given you a reply .... here.
Anyways, may God bless you.
And please be well.
Anyways, may God bless you.
And please be well.
Sorry I missed that post. I answered you on that thread. But I still don't think you have answered my question, "Am I saved or not?"
You kind of side stepped it, and again explaining your doctrine, but never really saying whether, in your opinion I am saved or not.
Anyway, thanks for sharing the other post, even if I am just as confused as before I read it.
You kind of side stepped it, and again explaining your doctrine, but never really saying whether, in your opinion I am saved or not.
Anyway, thanks for sharing the other post, even if I am just as confused as before I read it.
Well, it depends on if you have been spreading the false gospel of teaching others that they can sin and still be saved. For if a child were to come across someone teaching that we as believers can abide in unrepentant sin and still be saved, then they have the potential (without knowing) to teach or lead that child into sin; However, this is wrong. For Jesus said it would be better if there was a noose hung about the person's neck who leads a child into sin.
AGAIN: I already responded to you in post #28 . . . . as I have said I like post that prove a point - I hope that I have not liked any post that were totally derogatory but if I agree with a person's stance on eternal security and that point has come across then I will "like" the post.
Now you have the responsibility to show me where I have been unChrist-like in my responses.
If you are going to accuse then I suggest that you have some evidence to back it up.
Now you have the responsibility to show me where I have been unChrist-like in my responses.
If you are going to accuse then I suggest that you have some evidence to back it up.
K
They'd likely think that I'm a kind and caring person. They'd likely think that I'm a "good man" that puts others needs before my own ... and I do try to do just that. But what they wouldn't see is what God see's. And that is the certain truth that I do sometimes fall far short of the mark of God's perfect standard of love and holiness. Take being judgemental for example. I may observe somebody whose words and actions give cause for me to think them a smug hypocrite. But it is not mine to judge. So I ask God to help me see them how He see's them and to keep me from passing a judgement on them that is not mine to make. Who knows ? Maybe that individual has been influenced by living a life under constant condemnation ... and the only way they know how to escape it is to compare themselves to what they see in others ? For a person like this, I'd ask our Father to grant them His perfect peace and the freedom from condemnation that comes with belonging to Christ.