For those who say they were saved before they spoke in tongues....

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As per the word of God..

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


120 in the upper room..

Acts 2v4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

people confuse this with natural languages..

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

and so they heard babble and thought they were drunk...then converted Peter now stands and boldly explains what this is and how to be saved...acts 2v38 etc

Acts 8..Simon the sorcerer..12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

Spirit NOT AUTOMATIC...

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Simon a con artist is willing to PAY for something..more than just a feeling or signing a card or some other religious stuff which he could readily duplicate..but not this..you cant get the signs following without Jesus ..mark 16v16+

The 1st recorded Gentile...Cornelius..

Acts 10v 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

how did they Know....

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

acts 19..2 .. Have you recieved the Holy Ghost since you believed ?....5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

repentance and baptism is your part..receiving the Holy Ghost is Gods response to obedience..

I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL the counsel of God..not just bits and pieces that suit religious people..

so you speak in tongues etc ..remember the 10 virgins (unbelievers are not included) 5 wise and 5 foolish !! your Born again a babe in Christ you need the sincere milk of the word ! you wont get that from a non spirit filled church !! even if they say Jesus or Christ,Jehovah, Yahweh the Lord of Hosts is his name whatever..

its like a gift ..car for example its new and nice in your driveway ! but no one told you about keys !?,Fuel, or even how to drive it...so it just sits as an added extra and rusts seizes up..does nothing..dont hide this talent in yourself you are the earthen vessel use it , build yourself up praying in the Spirit God has given ( JUDE ) when you are built up you will be able to more readily access ALL of Gods promises that Jesus through his sacrifice has made available to you..so

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Find a church run as per instructions..Corinthians...asap..others may call themselves christian, they can call themselves Napoleon for that matter.. no signs.. not following Jesus His way..

ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth..they have eyes but see not ,ears but hear not..because they have hardened there heart...
 

Angela53510

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You know, I attended charismatic churches for 15 years and never grew as a Christian, never learned much of anything. Because speaking in tongues is such an incredibly small part of the Bible, but that was the whole emphasis in those churches.

When I started in non-tongue speaking churches, that is when I started to learn what the Bible said, and my life changed radically. I began to have a hunger to know more about God, the Bible and how to live as a Christian. Then I went to Seminary, and really began to understand God's calling on my life.

You obsess over a few obscure passages that you interpret wrongly. You make huge doctrines about something which is so minor as to be unimportant. Spend some time reading the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and see all the important things you have missed, ok?
 
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No spirit non of his ..those obscure !? passages are numerous and they are his instructions believe or not is up to you..you have been told...Lu 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
 
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ps speaking to God his way is far from unimportant..! Theology crucified Christ in the first place ! man made doctrines..!
 
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This post is bible soup...

I can't understand the message you're trying to portray here. Are you arguing that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation?
 
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You know, I attended charismatic churches for 15 years and never grew as a Christian, never learned much of anything. Because speaking in tongues is such an incredibly small part of the Bible, but that was the whole emphasis in those churches.

When I started in non-tongue speaking churches, that is when I started to learn what the Bible said, and my life changed radically. I began to have a hunger to know more about God, the Bible and how to live as a Christian. Then I went to Seminary, and really began to understand God's calling on my life.

You obsess over a few obscure passages that you interpret wrongly. You make huge doctrines about something which is so minor as to be unimportant. Spend some time reading the Bible from cover to cover a few times, and see all the important things you have missed, ok?
i agree with you. Jesus did not teach nor emphasize tongues. why someone would base an entire belief system on this is mind boggling.
 
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This post is bible soup...

I can't understand the message you're trying to portray here. Are you arguing that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation?
Absolutely !! its the Bible pattern .......just as in acts it is now..Jesus the same yesterday today and forever...!
 

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I have never spoken in tongues, but according to Scripture (Colossians 2:11-15) I was saved before I even knew it, and before I surrendered my opposition to God and got baptized. Because, as per the Word of God:

In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
 
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Absolutely !! its the Bible pattern .......just as in acts it is now..Jesus the same yesterday today and forever...!
You do realize that the bible is clear that not everyone receives the same spiritual gifts right?

As in, not everyone speaks in tongues.

No, they are not a salvation issue.
 
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then you are not praying according to Gods pattern ..your still a natural person..no spirit !
 
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Wow! Now you compare yourself to our savior? LOL
...careful... bearing false witness against the brethren doesnt go over well with my Messiah
 
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If they have not the Spirit they are not brethren..they do there own rigorousness and not after Gods pattern..!
 
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ok this is for those who speak in tongues..not those who dont..!

acts shows how to get saved ..whether you believe or not is your choice !
 
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jaybird88

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You do realize that the bible is clear that not everyone receives the same spiritual gifts right?

As in, not everyone speaks in tongues.

No, they are not a salvation issue.
i think that is completely irreverent to the OP. did Moses , Abraham, Elisha or Jesus speak in tongues? the bible makes no mention of it but who cares. im thinking of starting one of them rattlesnake churches myself.
 

Magenta

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If they have not the Spirit they are not brethren..they do there own rigorousness and not after Gods pattern..!
Who are you claiming does not have the Spirit? Do you deny that God calls whom He wills?

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
 
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i think that is completely irreverent to the OP. did Moses , Abraham, Elisha or Jesus speak in tongues? the bible makes no mention of it but who cares. im thinking of starting one of them rattlesnake churches myself.
yes it is as shown in acts...dont confuse the gifts of THE CHURCH with ALL speaking in tongues1Co

14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: (all could of coarse )

BUT IN THE CHURCH...now shows you how the Church is to be run..(yours is ..yes !?)

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Who are you claiming does not have the Spirit? Do you deny that God calls whom He wills?

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
yes God will call and people must respond exactly GOD way..and then the signs follow...