Rest

[JaumeJ]

I find in the New TEstament how we rest in Jesus.
One reference and teaching from Jesus, Himself, is that in learning from Him, God that is, we find rest.

TThe other reference is most important to our salvation, and that is that we are at rest from sin. This by no means states we will never sin again, however we now, due to our faith believing Jesus, rest from sin for we live in grace. Grace in this instance is the same as being declared as not having the guilt of our sin imputed against us ever again.

None of this has anything to do with the gift from Jesus Christ, the Seventh Day, or the day we rest fro our other days of physical labor.. Try as one may, one will never change the order of creation, or what the Seventh Day represents.

Now the day one observes it is not so imporatant, as long as that day is observed with a clear conscience inthe sight of our Father.

Jusst as the milenium is not the first thousand years of creation, so the day representing that thousand years remains the Seventh Dayi in the spirit.

Jesus Christ teaches the Son of Man is master of the Sabbath. He was teaching that it is quite fine, even good to do good on the Sabbath. He was not changing the order of creations.

Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the
Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is.

Again other than resting from our six days of labor, the references to rest in the New Testament is referring to rest from sin, and rest in learning directly from God. There is no teahing that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner.

Little children, obey God in Jesus Christ always, amen.

 

[prodigal]

[h=1]Hebrews 4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Magenta]

I find in the New Testament how we rest in Jesus.
One reference and teaching from Jesus, Himself, is that in learning from Him, God that is, we find rest.

The other reference is most important to our salvation, and that is that we are at rest from sin... <edit>

Again other than resting from our six days of labor, the references to rest in the New Testament is referring to rest from sin, and rest in learning directly from God. There is no teaching that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner.

I thought the rest we entered into was a rest from working to gain salvation? The Hebrew word sabat means "to rest or stop or cease from work."

Christ is our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always. Source http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

 

[JaumeJ]

As far as I know, it is not written anywhere that Christ is our Shabbat. It is taught by Him that if we come and learn of Him we will find rest.
Also, because of His Blood, and our believing in faith, we rest from our sin, for we now live in grace.
Some folks take from when He declared the Son of Man is Master of the Sabbath that He is the Sabbath. He was making direct reference to doing good whether on Shabbat or any other day.

He nev er, anywhere in Scripture, changed teh order nor the nature of the Shabbat of the Lord, that is to say, the Seventh Day as opposed to other ceremonial sabbaths mentioned in the Old Testament.

For me, and others who understand about the order of the Sabbath of the Lord, it is important to maintain the order it is of the week because of the other references there are in prophesy, such as the millenium. If we teach against the order of creation this leads to cnfusion as to the importance of so many other prohesies.

For my own peace of mind, I like to think in terms of the Seventh Thousand years as fulfullment of certain prophesy. It is confusing to change the order of God''s creating all that is in this regard, therefore for the sake of the children, it is wise to keep the order according to the Word, and not changining tht order according to newer traditions of mankind.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, for they will always have peace, amen.

 

[crossnote]

I find it hard reconciling these two statements from the OP...

"Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is."

OR

"There is no teaching that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner."

 

[JaumeJ]

Quite simple. Do not look for robins in a crow's nest.

A man may observe feasts and days as he sees fit with a good conscience in the sight of God, however the order of the creation was never changed by God, so no one should fault a brother for maintaning His teaching in lieu of the latter change to the tradition of men.

There is not tirck or ploy.

I find it hard reconciling these two statements...

"Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is."

OR

"There is no teaching that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner."

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought the rest we entered into was a rest from working to gain salvation? The Hebrew word sabat means "to rest or stop or cease from work."

Christ is our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always. Source http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

Those who have entered into his rest have ceased from their own labors<-----pretty clear hey!

 

[JaumeJ]

This is followed by we musst labor to enter into that rest.........

Those who have entered into his rest have ceased from their own labors<-----pretty clear hey!

 

[Willie-T]

I thought the rest we entered into was a rest from working to gain salvation? The Hebrew word sabat means "to rest or stop or cease from work."

Christ is our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always. Source http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

Yes, Magenta... I think you have a great understanding of what we are to "rest" from.

 

[Magenta]

As far as I know, it is not written anywhere that Christ is our Shabbat. It is taught by Him that if we come and learn of Him we will find rest.

Also, because of His Blood, and our believing in faith, we rest from our sin, for we now live in grace.
Some folks take from when He declared the Son of Man is Master of the Sabbath that He is the Sabbath. He was making direct reference to doing good whether on Shabbat or any other day. <edit>

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, for they will always have peace, amen.

Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”Jesus was attesting to the fact that, just as the Sabbath day was originally instituted to give man rest from his labors, so did He come to provide us rest from laboring to achieve our own salvation by our works. Because of His sacrifice on the cross, we can now forever cease laboring to attain God’s favor and rest in His mercy and grace.

For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath. Jesus is proclaiming that He is the One who exercises authority even over the rules and regulations that govern the Sabbath day. He was asserting to the world, especially to the legalistic Pharisees, that He was greater than the Law and above the laws of the Mosaic Covenant because, as God in flesh, He is the Author of those laws. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works to achieve salvation. Source http://www.gotquestions.org/Lord-of-the-Sabbath.html

 

[JaumeJ]

I find in the New TEstament how we rest in Jesus.
One reference and teaching from Jesus, Himself, is that in learning from Him, God that is, we find rest.

TThe other reference is most important to our salvation, and that is that we are at rest from sin. This by no means states we will never sin again, however we now, due to our faith believing Jesus, rest from sin for we live in grace. Grace in this instance is the same as being declared as not having the guilt of our sin imputed against us ever again.

None of this has anything to do with the gift from Jesus Christ, the Seventh Day, or the day we rest fro our other days of physical labor.. Try as one may, one will never change the order of creation, or what the Seventh Day represents.

Now the day one observes it is not so imporatant, as long as that day is observed with a clear conscience inthe sight of our Father.

Jusst as the milenium is not the first thousand years of creation, so the day representing that thousand years remains the Seventh Dayi in the spirit.

Jesus Christ teaches the Son of Man is master of the Sabbath. He was teaching that it is quite fine, even good to do good on the Sabbath. He was not changing the order of creations.

Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the
Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is.

Again other than resting from our six days of labor, the references to rest in the New Testament is referring to rest from sin, and rest in learning directly from God. There is no teahing that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner.

Little children, obey God in Jesus Christ always, amen.

 

[prodigal]

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[crossnote]

Matthew 11:28 (KJV) Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (the rest)

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.(the labour)

 

[JaumeJ]

I find in the New TEstament how we rest in Jesus.
One reference and teaching from Jesus, Himself, is that in learning from Him, God that is, we find rest.
Jesus teaches thisin direct reference to the heavy burdens weighed on us by Pharisees and other hypocrites, burdens they woul not lift a finger to lift. He is not mentioning rest from our labors, which we will have if we have faith uintil th day He calls us to Him, for before our Salvation in Jesus Christ there were no works found in us to be rewarded, were there?

TThe other reference is most important to our salvation, and that is that we are at rest from sin. This by no means states we will never sin again, however we now, due to our faith believing Jesus, rest from sin for we live in grace. Grace in this instance is the same as being declared as not having the guilt of our sin imputed against us ever again.

None of this has anything to do with the gift from Jesus Christ, the Seventh Day, or the day we rest fro our other days of physical labor.. Try as one may, one will never change the order of creation, or what the Seventh Day represents.

Now the day one observes it is not so imporatant, as long as that day is observed with a clear conscience inthe sight of our Father.

Jusst as the milenium is not the first thousand years of creation, so the day representing that thousand years remains the Seventh Dayi in the spirit.

Jesus Christ teaches the Son of Man is master of the Sabbath. He was teaching that it is quite fine, even good to do good on the Sabbath. He was not changing the order of creations.

Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the
Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is.

Again other than resting from our six days of labor, the references to rest in the New Testament is referring to rest from sin, and rest in learning directly from God. There is no teahing that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner.

Little children, obey God in Jesus Christ always, amen.

The content of my OP seems to have already addressed the questions and arguments posed by most. There is no conflict of grace with works after having received faith from the Father. This is made clear in the Gospel and the letters.

 

[atwhatcost]

I find in the New TEstament how we rest in Jesus.
One reference and teaching from Jesus, Himself, is that in learning from Him, God that is, we find rest.

TThe other reference is most important to our salvation, and that is that we are at rest from sin. This by no means states we will never sin again, however we now, due to our faith believing Jesus, rest from sin for we live in grace. Grace in this instance is the same as being declared as not having the guilt of our sin imputed against us ever again.

None of this has anything to do with the gift from Jesus Christ, the Seventh Day, or the day we rest fro our other days of physical labor.. Try as one may, one will never change the order of creation, or what the Seventh Day represents.

Now the day one observes it is not so imporatant, as long as that day is observed with a clear conscience inthe sight of our Father.

Jusst as the milenium is not the first thousand years of creation, so the day representing that thousand years remains the Seventh Dayi in the spirit.

Jesus Christ teaches the Son of Man is master of the Sabbath. He was teaching that it is quite fine, even good to do good on the Sabbath. He was not changing the order of creations.

Again, one may observe this day any day he believes he should, but one musst never tell another he is wrong to observe the
Sabbath of the Lord on the Seventh Day in honor of God's creating all that is.

Again other than resting from our six days of labor, the references to rest in the New Testament is referring to rest from sin, and rest in learning directly from God. There is no teahing that the Seventh Day has been changed in any manner.

Little children, obey God in Jesus Christ always, amen.

Just checking on something.

The truth about me. Hubby and I are both disabled. The type of disabilities that really hinder our physical strength. It takes us six hours to accomplish what most people can easily accomplish in three hours, and we really can't do more than three normal-people hours in one day. Because of that, we work harder to get less done. And, because of that the physical exhaustion makes us cranky -- flying off the handle quicker than most folks.

So we compensate. Instead of taking a seventh day rest for God and from labor, we do it every six day. So our Sabbath rest is a different day every week.

Add to that, the rest of the world goes about their usual schedule, so, sometimes we have to work around that. For instance, Tuesday night is take-out-the-trash night. There are laws set up in our city where trash can not be put on the curb until 7 PM. (5 PM in winter.) If we take out the trash earlier than that, we can get fined and at prices we can't afford. That means Tuesday can't be our Sabbath rest day.

And then, sometimes doctor appointments or someone is coming to fix something on our Sabbath Rest Day, so we can't take that day off and then have to get our needed chores done in time to rest. That means sometimes our sixth day becomes our fifth day, and sometimes it's an eight day.

So, after all you wrote above, how do you feel about us resting differently than all others?

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe we may do any good work on the Sabbath or any other day, just as our Lord teaches. No one is offending our Father by working on any day of the weeki. In this sense we too are "Lord of the Sabbath" along with our blessed Savior. After all we are all members of His Body with Him as the head. Our rest from Jesus Christ is from sin, for He has removed the guilt of our sin, thus we live in graqce, our sin not imputed to us,. I am by no means hinting or saying that when you must do anything due to circumstances any day, God will not chide, though people may. I have a certain handicap rendering me incapable of certain things I used to do without even giving a second though. I thank God for this, because it has shown me in the most pleasant manner that man, I, am like the grass that is here then gone when dried with the wind. We are perfectly in God's grace to do as we judge for ouuselves, what is right and correct. Let no man judge you for what you do, for you are God's servant, and not the servant of others.. You continue operating with a good conscience in the sight of God allowing no man to judge your personal wisdom and understanding from our Dad. You are a blessing, amen.

Just checking on something.

The truth about me. Hubby and I are both disabled. The type of disabilities that really hinder our physical strength. It takes us six hours to accomplish what most people can easily accomplish in three hours, and we really can't do more than three normal-people hours in one day. Because of that, we work harder to get less done. And, because of that the physical exhaustion makes us cranky -- flying off the handle quicker than most folks.

So we compensate. Instead of taking a seventh day rest for God and from labor, we do it every six day. So our Sabbath rest is a different day every week.

Add to that, the rest of the world goes about their usual schedule, so, sometimes we have to work around that. For instance, Tuesday night is take-out-the-trash night. There are laws set up in our city where trash can not be put on the curb until 7 PM. (5 PM in winter.) If we take out the trash earlier than that, we can get fined and at prices we can't afford. That means Tuesday can't be our Sabbath rest day.

And then, sometimes doctor appointments or someone is coming to fix something on our Sabbath Rest Day, so we can't take that day off and then have to get our needed chores done in time to rest. That means sometimes our sixth day becomes our fifth day, and sometimes it's an eight day.

So, after all you wrote above, how do you feel about us resting differently than all others?

 

[dcontroversal]

This is followed by we musst labor to enter into that rest.........

Yep for sure.....too bad the word means to be prompt or earnest, be diligent, give diligence, endeavor and is not translated from the normal Greek words that indicate work

and the reason they did not enter is because they did not mix the word of God WITH FAITH

 

[JaumeJ]

It may be the Hellenization,. I believe teh Holy Spirit before Hebrew or Greek. God gives understanding to His children. As for the teaching of being diligent toenter into that rest, we have no works before we are saved. It is only after we are saved that we have works. After allwe are not rewarded for whenwe were doing the works of darkenss, no, ratehr for the works fo light after coming to believe Jesus Christ. If this ineeds improving, by all means, pleas be my guest. May God bless yo with all wisdom andunderstanding.

 

[crossnote]

Galatians 4:19 (KJV) " My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you"

Perhaps there's a time period to lapse where baby Christians then, especially the Jewish believers, to be weaned from the Mosaic Law to a walk of faith, trusting (resting) in the Person of Jesus Christ.