Repentance

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What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe it is to simply feel sorry for a sin or do you believe it is to change ones ways and no longer commit the sin? If you repent of something and go back and do it again do you believe you ever truly repented?
 
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repentance is not a feeling
it is a mental u turn
we will not achieve sinlessness in this life
 

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Well.. the first kind is repentance at salvation. This is entrusting your salvation with Jesus:

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

so.. Strong's concordance on repent-

G3340

μετανοέω

metanoeō

met-an-o-eh'-o

From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.

So I believe this happens at salvation. Entrusting your salvation with Jesus = repentance.

So this is then done and dusted. Salvation settled and permanent.

Now there is daily repentance.. which is relying on Jesus in your daily walk. This is not a HAVE to.. but comes out of responding to what Jesus has done for you.

repent for eternal salvation is the same as:

(John 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


It is a change of mind.. with the mind being:

G3563
νοῦς
nous
nooce
Probably from the base of G1097; the intellect, that is, mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication meaning: - mind, understanding. Compare G5590.

G5590
ψυχή

psuchē

psoo-khay'

From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

G1097

γινώσκω
ginōskō

ghin-oce'-ko
A prolonged form of a primary verb; to “know” (absolutely), in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as shown at left, with others not thus clearly expressed): - allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) known (-ledge), perceive, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

So.. repentance equals a change in mind.. which equals a change in perception, understanding, knowledge.. and is related to the spirit of person..

compare this then with:

(Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Greek word for believe:

G4100
πιστεύω

pisteuō

pist-yoo'-o

From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

This looks alot like repentance to me
 
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What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe it is to simply feel sorry for a sin or do you believe it is to change ones ways and no longer commit the sin? If you repent of something and go back and do it again do you believe you ever truly repented?
To understand repentance in relationship to sin, the above question (in blue) must be answered and not avoided. Many believers avoid answering this question because they do not understand repentance from divine veiwpoint in relationship to sin. Give this man an answer to his question.
 
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If you repent of something and go back and do it again do you believe you ever truly repented?

No.

To repent is to turn away from the sin you have committed. A feeling of remorse is appropriate when one is convicted of sin. But that is not enough. There must also be a change of heart. Behavior must conform with attitude, else the words lack conviction and we be hypocrites for saying we are sorry yet continuing in the same sin.
 
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When we speak of “repentance,” I believe we are talking about turning from sin. In other words, we try to stop sinning. There might be a specific sin you decide to repent of, for instance.

I imagine you can repent of a sin and then commit it again. It’s called “back-sliding.” If you find yourself doing that, you just repent again. Sometimes it’s a struggle, but don’t’ give up.
 
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What do you believe repentance is? Do you believe it is to simply feel sorry for a sin or do you believe it is to change ones ways and no longer commit the sin? If you repent of something and go back and do it again do you believe you ever truly repented?
Repentance - Changing the direction we seek our happiness
 
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repentance is not a feeling
it is a mental u turn
we will not achieve sinlessness in this life
You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV
 
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If you repent of something and go back and do it again do you believe you ever truly repented?

No.

To repent is to turn away from the sin you have committed. A feeling of remorse is appropriate when one is convicted of sin. But that is not enough. There must also be a change of heart. Behavior must conform with attitude, else the words lack conviction and we be hypocrites for saying we are sorry yet continuing in the same sin.
How does this change of heart happen, that will keep them from going back and sinning again? What do we do with those sins and weights that are always besetting us in the details of life as we run the race / Heb 12:1? Your besetting sin might not be a sin of commission but one of omission where you fail to do what is right and good based on James 4:17? Where does your change of heart come from in that cause of sin? You are to repent and have a change of heart of what you have done that you should not have done...and the other... of what you did not do that you should have done. There are sins of doing and not doing.

This is going to screw up some of your thinking about God's grace. God takes more of an interest in the things that we are not doing than what we are doing. Sin is what breaks our fellowship with God. There is more sin in our life because of what we don't do then there is in what we do. That is why we have been given so much instruction in the word of God on how to live. If God can teach us how to live by doing the things we should by faith through His word, then he won't have to be concerned with what we are doing that we shouldn't be doing. We are always magnifying what people are doing in relationship to sin instead of building them up in the word of God that will teach them how to live as Christ.

Christ took care of sin on the cross and put it away so that we would not have to be occupied with sin. Instead we could be occupied with Christ and His victory over sin and learn how to live in the resurrection power of His life. He came and paid for sin that we might have life and be occupied with Him and not sin. We reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God. The only way for a believer to have a changed heart is to live by grace and truth in Christ and learn to live by every word of God.
 

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You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV

Perfect in the Greek:

G5048
τελειόω

teleioō

tel-i-o'-o
From G5046; to complete, that is, (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character): - consecrate, finish, fulfil, (make) perfect.

or

G2675
καταρτίζω

katartizō

kat-ar-tid'-zo
From G2596 and a derivative of G739; to complete thoroughly, that is, repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust: - fit, frame, mend, (make) perfect (-ly join together), prepare, restore.

or

G5046
τέλειος

teleios

tel'-i-os
From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age, man, perfect.


So these are not about being completely sinless.. but being mature, of full age, complete in mental and moral character.. restored.. adjusted.

So being perfect as your Father in heaven is.. is about being mature.. complete in mental and moral character.

The Greek.. is what the English translations are based on.. and sometimes the English word doesn't gather quite the same meaning as the Greek on which it is based.
 

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After salvation there is still going to be sins you struggle with.. that is nature of being fallen. If we return to old ways after salvation.. the salvation still stands.. because the act in saving us wasn't about our behaviour.. but what Jesus was doing with our eternal spirit in cleansing it and securing it for eternity.

So we flee sin because of what Jesus has done. Repentance daily not because we have to.. but because we have been given a gift of eternal life.

Giving love back at the freedom giver.
 
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Perfect in the Greek:

G5048
τελειόω

teleioō

tel-i-o'-o
From G5046; to complete, that is, (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character): - consecrate, finish, fulfil, (make) perfect.

or

G2675
καταρτίζω

katartizō

kat-ar-tid'-zo
From G2596 and a derivative of G739; to complete thoroughly, that is, repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust: - fit, frame, mend, (make) perfect (-ly join together), prepare, restore.

or

G5046
τέλειος

teleios

tel'-i-os
From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age, man, perfect.


So these are not about being completely sinless.. but being mature, of full age, complete in mental and moral character.. restored.. adjusted.

So being perfect as your Father in heaven is.. is about being mature.. complete in mental and moral character.

The Greek.. is what the English translations are based on.. and sometimes the English word doesn't gather quite the same meaning as the Greek on which it is based.
My Bible says “perfect.”
 
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I repent of the same sins I commit over and over again. I think you can truly repent, but sometimes your sinful nature will bring you back to the same old sins again. I think Paul explains it the best:

Romans 7:14-20

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it

This is Paul saying that he keeps on going back to the same sins that he does not want to do, the man who wrote 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament. Surely then Paul sincerely repented of his sin, but as he stated here it was sin that he kept on doing. Therefore, one can truely repent but then go back and commit the same sin.

I'm not trying to justify sin. Only that even if you commit the same sin that you repented for, doesn't mean that you never truely repented.

I believe once you admit that you have sinned and your guilt leads you to repentance, God will create a desire and eagerness in to turn away from sin. Then you can truely grasp the great Love that God had for us when he sent his son to die on the cross in order to wipe that sin away. Paul explains it when writing to the Corinthians:

Corinthians 7:9-11 (New International Version)
9yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 11See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.
 
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How does this change of heart happen, that will keep them from going back and sinning again? What do we do with those sins and weights that are always besetting us in the details of life as we run the race / Heb 12:1? Your besetting sin might not be a sin of commission but one of omission where you fail to do what is right and good based on James 4:17? Where does your change of heart come from in that cause of sin? You are to repent and have a change of heart of what you have done that you should not have done...and the other... of what you did not do that you should have done. There are sins of doing and not doing.

This is going to screw up some of your thinking about God's grace. God takes more of an interest in the things that we are not doing than what we are doing. Sin is what breaks our fellowship with God. There is more sin in our life because of what we don't do then there is in what we do. That is why we have been given so much instruction in the word of God on how to live. If God can teach us how to live by doing the things we should by faith through His word, then he won't have to be concerned with what we are doing that we shouldn't be doing. We are always magnifying what people are doing in relationship to sin instead of building them up in the word of God that will teach them how to live as Christ.

Christ took care of sin on the cross and put it away so that we would not have to be occupied with sin. Instead we could be occupied with Christ and His victory over sin and learn how to live in the resurrection power of His life. He came and paid for sin that we might have life and be occupied with Him and not sin. We reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God. The only way for a believer to have a changed heart is to live by grace and truth in Christ and learn to live by every word of God.
From our aspect it is as Paul speaks when he describes his walk in Christ as running a race and buffeting his body. But it is also as Paul speak when he speaks of being transformed into the image of Christ. We put forth effort as God enables us and He is faithful to complete His work in us.
 

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My Bible says “perfect.”
Yes.. and if you look at the context around that verse about being perfect as your father is?

(Mat 5:44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

(Mat 5:45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

(Mat 5:46) For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

(Mat 5:47) And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

(Mat 5:48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So.. the perfect in this context is about being perfect in love..

on top of this.. if you study the grammar behind English language.. you may know about 'perfect tense'..

this is about something coming to completion.. something being perfected..an action that is being completed..or already complete.

And so this matches the Greek from the Strong's concordance about perfect meaning maturity, completion, coming to full age etc...
 
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Actually, only a few seem to really understand what repentance is, it seems. Repentance is the change of mind, which as a result of the change of mind, will result in changed actions.

Excellent article about it on http://www.gotquestions.org/repentance.html
 
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Yes.. and if you look at the context around that verse about being perfect as your father is?

(Mat 5:44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

(Mat 5:45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

(Mat 5:46) For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

(Mat 5:47) And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

(Mat 5:48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So.. the perfect in this context is about being perfect in love..

on top of this.. if you study the grammar behind English language.. you may know about 'perfect tense'..

this is about something coming to completion.. something being perfected..an action that is being completed..or already complete.

And so this matches the Greek from the Strong's concordance about perfect meaning maturity, completion, coming to full age etc...
We can strive to be perfect, can’t we? I’m not suggesting I am any where near perfect, but it is my goal. I am disheartened by Christians who don’t try.
 

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We can strive to be perfect, can’t we? I’m not suggesting I am any where near perfect, but it is my goal. I am disheartened by Christians who don’t try.
Ya we can strive.. but don't expect that we can ever be truly sinless. That is the wonder of God's grace.. that we are allowed to strive for it and not be condemned when we fail.
 
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