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GandalfTheWhite

GandalfTheWhite

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phil112 said:
Does that some how make you more noble than everyone else?

Jesus is not named in hebrew. Jesus ushered in a new dispensation for us, one that includes everyone. Jesus was a man. Where in the old testament was there a man named Jesus?
You think that using a hebrew name somehow elevates your righteousness. That is not only asinine, it is stupid.
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Phil, if the name Yeshua makes you uncomfortable I apologise for that. I like to use the name for the reasons given and I will continue using it in future.

There was no man with the name Jesus in the OT but the OT was written in Hebrew :) just saying... But Jesus are all over in the OT as Yeshua and also the Son of God. I am not going to argue over this.

If you have a mental block about a name it is up to you to sort it out :)
 
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kaylagrl

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didymos said:
So it's 'Jesus' and not 'Yeshua... '
'the LORD' and not 'Yah, Yahweh, Jehovah' etc.

Thank you.
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I would usually say Jesus and Lord but many of our songs use Jehovah and Yahweh etc. I dont see a problem with that.
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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GandalfTheWhite said:
I understand this Willie, but why try to make something about nothing if people are calling Jesus by His Hebrew name? For you it is Jesus. Nothing wrong with it. This was Yeshua's Greek name and you are comfortable with it. I like Yeshua because of the meaning of the word and the blessing I preach every time I tell you about your salvation. Is it wrong of me?
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I'm not. I simply made a simple statement that indicates I would prefer it if everyone just used the language we all grew up using.
 
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bebeautiful

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This just came to mind while reading this thread and I just wanted to share, I hope everyone has a blessed day :)
Galations 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
 
GandalfTheWhite

GandalfTheWhite

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Willie-T said:
I'm not. I simply made a simple statement that indicates I would prefer it if everyone just used the language we all grew up using.
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Understand. I am sorry if I make you uncomfortable by using a different name for Jesus than you...
 
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bebeautiful said:
This just came to mind while reading this thread and I just wanted to share, I hope everyone has a blessed day :)
Galations 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
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Bless you sister. Contextually this goes along with Romans 11, Jeremiah 31:31 and a few other parts in scripture that emphasize the new man. :)
 
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Is

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Willie-T said:
This is the Jewish view.... and generally the only time I bother to use it is when I am addressing this concept, since we Christians see things differently. I have several Theologian friends who prefer to speak in specifics, so I humor them.
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Judaism does not believe in the devil, but we do believe in Satan (who more properly should be called "the Satan"). As this demonstrates, the Jewish view of Satan is very different than the Christian one. Here's a summary of the Jewish view; you can also find information at Alyza (Gretchen) Shapiro's web site at http://www.geocities.com/alyzab/Jewish/satan.html

The word satan means "challenger", "difficulty", or "distraction" (note that it is not a proper name). With the leading ha- to make haSatan, it refers to /the/ challenger. This describes Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. HaSatan works for G-d. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it can be a meaningful choice. In other words, haSatan is an angel whose mission it is to add difficulty, challenges, and growth experiences to life. Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polytheistic—you are setting up the devil to be a god or demigod.

The notion of an angel having free will is alien to Judaism. Free will requires the tension created by being a soul dwelling in a body. People can have free will, angels can't. There is a debate over whether they lack the potential for free will, or whether they simply percieve reality to clearly to have any choices to make. But in any case, without the fence-straddling of the human condition, there is no free will. HaSatan acts as a servant of God, not as an opponent or even disobediant child. Angels cannot sin, they cannot fall.

For more on the Jewish conception of Satan, see http://www.geocities.com/~alyza/Jewish/satan.html.
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As interesting as the Jewish concept of satan is, I'm a Christian and the Bible has infomation on satan that shows he chose to rebel against God.

satan (Lucifer) did not want to worship or obey God; he wanted to be God (Isaiah 14:12-14). satan and the fallen angels knew God in all His glory. For them to rebel, despite what they knew about God, was the utmost of evil.

One third of the angels that chose to follow satan in his rebellion, became the fallen angels—demons, as a result, God does not give satan and the other fallen angels the opportunity to repent.

The Bible gives us no reason to believe they would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5:8):

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

God gave satan and the angels the same choice He gave Adam and Eve, to obey Him or not. The angels had a free-will choice to make; God did not force or encourage any of the angels to sin. satan and the fallen angels sinned of their own free will and therefore are worthy of God's eternal wrath in the lake of fire.
 
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psalm6819

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Ok, Tom. Have no doubt, I'll use English.
 
Olerica

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Willie-T said:
This is the Jewish view.... and generally the only time I bother to use it is when I am addressing this concept, since we Christians see things differently. I have several Theologian friends who prefer to speak in specifics, so I humor them.
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Judaism does not believe in the devil, but we do believe in Satan (who more properly should be called "the Satan"). As this demonstrates, the Jewish view of Satan is very different than the Christian one. Here's a summary of the Jewish view; you can also find information at Alyza (Gretchen) Shapiro's web site at http://www.geocities.com/alyzab/Jewish/satan.html

The word satan means "challenger", "difficulty", or "distraction" (note that it is not a proper name). With the leading ha- to make haSatan, it refers to /the/ challenger. This describes Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. HaSatan works for G-d. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it can be a meaningful choice. In other words, haSatan is an angel whose mission it is to add difficulty, challenges, and growth experiences to life. Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polytheistic—you are setting up the devil to be a god or demigod.

The notion of an angel having free will is alien to Judaism. Free will requires the tension created by being a soul dwelling in a body. People can have free will, angels can't. There is a debate over whether they lack the potential for free will, or whether they simply percieve reality to clearly to have any choices to make. But in any case, without the fence-straddling of the human condition, there is no free will. HaSatan acts as a servant of God, not as an opponent or even disobediant child. Angels cannot sin, they cannot fall.

For more on the Jewish conception of Satan, see http://www.geocities.com/~alyza/Jewish/satan.html.
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Thank you for the explanation :)
 
Willie-T

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Is said:
As interesting as the Jewish concept of satan is, I'm a Christian and the Bible has infomation on satan that shows he chose to rebel against God.

satan (Lucifer) did not want to worship or obey God; he wanted to be God (Isaiah 14:12-14). satan and the fallen angels knew God in all His glory. For them to rebel, despite what they knew about God, was the utmost of evil.

One third of the angels that chose to follow satan in his rebellion, became the fallen angels—demons, as a result, God does not give satan and the other fallen angels the opportunity to repent.

The Bible gives us no reason to believe they would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5:8):

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

God gave satan and the angels the same choice He gave Adam and Eve, to obey Him or not. The angels had a free-will choice to make; God did not force or encourage any of the angels to sin. satan and the fallen angels sinned of their own free will and therefore are worthy of God's eternal wrath in the lake of fire.
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Just cool it. This was not posted to you, nor for you, nor for you to try to start a debate. Both my introduction, and the first paragraph of the article clearly state we Christians don't believe this way.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
It would be interesting to know why you feel comfortable with the Greek name of Jesus but not His Hebrew name?
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Don't know about Willie, but I'm a lot more comfortable with my American English name "Michael" than I am the French rendering "Michel." It is preference, nothing more, nothing less, and irrelevant to our reverence and awe of Christ.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Viligant_Warrior said:
Don't know about Willie, but I'm a lot more comfortable with my American English name "Michael" than I am the French rendering "Michel." It is preference, nothing more, nothing less, and irrelevant to our reverence and awe of Christ.
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I am not trying to create conflict here but it seems like people want to read more into the use of the name Yeshua than they should...
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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Olerica,
You might enjoy doing some study on the Jewish concepts of the yetzer ha-ra and yetzer hatov. (It's the propensity to do right and wrong in human beings) If you remember Buggs Bunny, you can visualize the two tiny arguing angels on either of Buggs' shoulders, trying to influence him to do either good, or bad.
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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GandalfTheWhite said:
I am not trying to create conflict here but it seems like people want to read more into the use of the name Yeshua than they should...
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So, use it. You'll get no static from me. The subject was presented prior to your post, and I simply stated my preferences.
 
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