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didymos

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So it's 'Jesus' and not 'Yeshua... '
'the LORD' and not 'Yah, Yahweh, Jehovah' etc.

Thank you.
 
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I am somebody that use the name Yeshua (and Jesus). Why are you afraid of a name?

In the Biblical times there was nothing wrong in having more than one name. One name was Hebrew, the other Greek... So unless your Greek is fluent you are using the wrong name for Yeshua. :) (just saying)
 
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So it's 'Jesus' and not 'Yeshua... '
'the LORD' and not 'Yah, Yahweh, Jehovah' etc.

Thank you.
I agree with you. I wonder if people go up to the window at McDonalds, and order a cheeseburger in Hebrew. I feel the same way about the use of "Christianese" all the time.... when the words really are nothing more than semi-old Elizabethan English, not God's secret language.

Although I am guilty of using "Ha Satan" to specifically indicate the evil power present in our lives.
 
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I agree with you. I wonder if people go up to the window at McDonalds, and order a cheeseburger in Hebrew. I feel the same way about the use of "Christianese" all the time.... when the words really are nothing more than semi-old Elizabethan English, not God's secret language.

Thou speaketh as a heratik!
 
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I agree with you. I wonder if people go up to the window at McDonalds, and order a cheeseburger in Hebrew. I feel the same way about the use of "Christianese" all the time.... when the words really are nothing more than semi-old Elizabethan English, not God's secret language.

Although I am guilty of using "Ha Satan" to specifically indicate the evil power present in our lives.
It would be interesting to know why you feel comfortable with the Greek name of Jesus but not His Hebrew name?
 
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Galahad

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I agree with you. I wonder if people go up to the window at McDonalds, and order a cheeseburger in Hebrew. I feel the same way about the use of "Christianese" all the time.... when the words really are nothing more than semi-old Elizabethan English, not God's secret language.

Although I am guilty of using "Ha Satan" to specifically indicate the evil power present in our lives.
All official traffic signs in California are in English. You will need to know English to understand the signs. But every Department of Motor Vehicles of California has tests for licenses in nearly every language under the sun.
 
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Galahad

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It would be interesting to know why you feel comfortable with the Greek name of Jesus but not His Hebrew name?
What is the Hebrew name of Jesus? And where did those vowels come from? How do you say it without the vowels. It's all Hebrew to me.
 
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It would be interesting to know why you feel comfortable with the Greek name of Jesus but not His Hebrew name?
Simply because it is the name we all grew up with until someone told us it seemed more spiritual to use something else. The "cross" is one of the most important concepts of the Bible, but we all still simply call it "the cross", not a foreign word we discovered. I am sure neither the Hebrew nor the Greek words for "Heaven" are H-E-A-V-E-N, yet we call Heaven, Heaven.
 
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Galahad

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Oh shibboleth! Hope I said that right.
 
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The problem today is we have a Greek mind-set. We will say something like “we love you Lord” but then turn around and do something contradicting what we said. A perfect example is the fact that we all state we are Christian but it is one big CC brawl about scripture every day. This is contradicting scripture :)

The Hebrew mind-set is “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son” or “if you love me keep my commandments”. There is an action attached to the statement.

Jesus was a Jew. His Jewish (Hebrew) name is Yeshua. The action used in His name is Salvation. That is why I like to use the name Yeshua. If I tell you about Yeshua I tell you about Salvation. If you want to be politically correct you should name Jesus, Salvation because that is His English translated name...
 
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The problem today is we have a Greek mind-set. We will say something like “we love you Lord” but then turn around and do something contradicting what we said. A perfect example is the fact that we all state we are Christian but it is one big CC brawl about scripture every day. This is contradicting scripture :)

The Hebrew mind-set is “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son” or “if you love me keep my commandments”. There is an action attached to the statement.

Jesus was a Jew. His Jewish (Hebrew) name is Yeshua. The action used in His name is Salvation. That is why I like to use the name Yeshua. If I tell you about Yeshua I tell you about Salvation. If you want to be politically correct you should name Jesus, Salvation because that is His English translated name...
You mean, "Sozo" ?
 
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Simply because it is the name we all grew up with until someone told us it seemed more spiritual to use something else. The "cross" is one of the most important concepts of the Bible, but we all still simply call it "the cross", not a foreign word we discovered. I am sure neither the Hebrew nor the Greek words for "Heaven" are H-E-A-V-E-N, yet we call Heaven, Heaven.
I understand this Willie, but why try to make something about nothing if people are calling Jesus by His Hebrew name? For you it is Jesus. Nothing wrong with it. This was Yeshua's Greek name and you are comfortable with it. I like Yeshua because of the meaning of the word and the blessing I preach every time I tell you about your salvation. Is it wrong of me?
 
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phil112

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I am somebody that use the name Yeshua (andJesus) .........................................................
Does that some how make you more noble than everyone else?

It would be interesting to know why you feel comfortable with the Greek name of Jesus but not His Hebrew name?
Jesus is not named in hebrew. Jesus ushered in a new dispensation for us, one that includes everyone. Jesus was a man. Where in the old testament was there a man named Jesus?
You think that using a hebrew name somehow elevates your righteousness. That is not only asinine, it is stupid.
 

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So it's 'Jesus' and not 'Yeshua... '
'the LORD' and not 'Yah, Yahweh, Jehovah' etc.

Thank you.
:confused:I have not known that the names are translatable even in English... will check now :cool:
 
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phil112

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I understand this Willie, but why try to make something about nothing if people are calling Jesus by His Hebrew name? For you it is Jesus. Nothing wrong with it. This was Yeshua's Greek name and you are comfortable with it. I like Yeshua because of the meaning of the word and the blessing I preach every time I tell you about your salvation. Is it wrong of me?
Yes.......
 

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:confused:I have not known that the names are translatable even in English... will check now :cool:
English is not sure about my name... what a problem!!!
 
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Explain "Ha Satan"?
This is the Jewish view.... and generally the only time I bother to use it is when I am addressing this concept, since we Christians see things differently. I have several Theologian friends who prefer to speak in specifics, so I humor them.
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Judaism does not believe in the devil, but we do believe in Satan (who more properly should be called "the Satan"). As this demonstrates, the Jewish view of Satan is very different than the Christian one. Here's a summary of the Jewish view; you can also find information at Alyza (Gretchen) Shapiro's web site at http://www.geocities.com/alyzab/Jewish/satan.html

The word satan means "challenger", "difficulty", or "distraction" (note that it is not a proper name). With the leading ha- to make haSatan, it refers to /the/ challenger. This describes Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. HaSatan works for G-d. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it can be a meaningful choice. In other words, haSatan is an angel whose mission it is to add difficulty, challenges, and growth experiences to life. Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polytheistic—you are setting up the devil to be a god or demigod.

The notion of an angel having free will is alien to Judaism. Free will requires the tension created by being a soul dwelling in a body. People can have free will, angels can't. There is a debate over whether they lack the potential for free will, or whether they simply percieve reality to clearly to have any choices to make. But in any case, without the fence-straddling of the human condition, there is no free will. HaSatan acts as a servant of God, not as an opponent or even disobediant child. Angels cannot sin, they cannot fall.

For more on the Jewish conception of Satan, see http://www.geocities.com/~alyza/Jewish/satan.html.
 
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Hello and God bless everyone. I decided to chime in on the topic :) The point of scripture isn't so much about how you pronounce a name, but more about the person of Jesus/Yeshua. However, there is much to be derived when studying the original languages of Paleo Hebrew and Greek. For instance, Yeshua is more an Aramaic pronunciation of the Paleo Hebrew name Yahushua. Yahushua translates to Joshua in the English. Understanding this, we can see some treasures in scripture not immediately evident in the English. For example, Moshe/Moses was an example of the Torah/Law and how it pointed to the promised land, but never actually took the Israelites into the promised land. It was Joshua/Yahushua who took the Israelites into the promised land; a similitude of Torah pointing to the need for salvation but only fulfilled in our Messiah Yahushua/Jesus.