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Ok - I am wondering what kind of posts disturb you the most? You know the feeling, it is almost like you want to avoid the post.....but you've read all the other ones......and like any horrifying accident, you want to look away, but you simply find yourself unwilling to look away....then, after reading, you feel sort of like after you've watched too much of the Office, pantsed or exposed or kicked in the gut

1. heretical theology?

2. provocative theology - the kind that is on the edge of orthodox

3. posts that make you think

4. long posts - lots and lots of scripture

5. argumentative posts.

6. posts that make you question your faith

7. posts by nonbelievers

8. posts that concern fellowship, rather than academic issues

9. posts that present different interpretations of scripture or doctrine

10. other
 
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carpetmanswife

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4-7 ......
 
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Interesting. I can certainly understand your aversion to argumentative and long posts, but what is it that bothers you about nonbeliever's posts?

Also, can you give me an example of a post that might make you question your faith? And is it usually written by a nonbeliever or a provocative christian person? What spiritual issues are toughest for you to deal with - you can message me if you are not comfortable posting the information.

Thanks for your reply
 

VW

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I really dislike posts that are written with strong words against another poster or person.

Why? When we do so, unless it is in actual fact the Spirit speaking through us, we are speaking judgment to ourselves. This makes my heart heavy.

I ignore 1, 4, and 5.
 
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I really dislike posts that are written with strong words against another poster or person.

Why? When we do so, unless it is in actual fact the Spirit speaking through us, we are speaking judgment to ourselves. This makes my heart heavy.

I ignore 1, 4, and 5.
I agree with you about 1,4,5

I have been guilty of using strong words against another person and I also do not like it!
 

phil36

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Post I like are from non believers who are looking for answers and are not using bad language or being disrespectful, posts to bolster fellowship, posts that are edifying to our souls.

what I dont like, are posts that have streams of scripture especially in colourful bold colours, yet don not add anything to the polemic, we can list streams of scripture, but it is unhelpful if there is not a proper exegesis with it.

I believe we can argue over different thoughts etc aslong as it is done in love, maybe debate is a better word than argue.

People who try and confuse others with statements, particulalry if their intent is to 'boast' in their knowledge.

But I like to read them all, it reminds me that along with the Faithful there are many wolves dressed in sheep clothing amongst us.
 

phil36

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good post aspen made me think about posts on here, including my own.
 
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NoahsMom

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I believe we can argue over different thoughts etc aslong as it is done in love, maybe debate is a better word than argue.

People who try and confuse others with statements, particulalry if their intent is to 'boast' in their knowledge.

But I like to read them all, it reminds me that along with the Faithful there are many wolves dressed in sheep clothing amongst us.

Very well said.
 
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I hate re-reading my old posts when I've reacted in an emotional way, that what I hate most.
I dont like long posts with too much red & bold, they give me a headache.
i also dont like
posts
that go
like this cause
it challenges
me
too much
visually.
I like the posters who speak the truth in love and wish I were better at that.
I like the posters like Shad who speak to scripture in their post and dont get overly personally invested in the thread.

I dislike 1, 4 & 5. But mostely 1.
 
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I hate re-reading my old posts when I've reacted in an emotional way, that what I hate most.
I dont like long posts with too much red & bold, they give me a headache.
i also dont like
posts
that go
like this cause
it challenges
me
too much
visually.
I like the posters who speak the truth in love and wish I were better at that.
I like the posters like Shad who speak to scripture in their post and dont get overly personally invested in the thread.

I dislike 1, 4 & 5. But mostely 1.
Great Post!
 
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Mulehide

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6 and those where people start to attack each other rather than debate disagreements
 
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I usally don't read any of the post that are much more than a few sentences.
None of them make me question God.
The ones saying there is no such thing as tongues, or tithes erk me. Makes me wonder how one can say they are of God and call his book a lie. Makes me think of a lot more things but I'll keep them to myself. I just feel sorry for them and pray they will one day know the truth so God can bless them.
Or they make fun of the ones of us who have contact with God and Holy signs happen. Cause its plain they don't know God at all but they sure are preaching they do all the time. Just makes me so sad for them.
The ones where a unbeliever comes and gets attacked. Way to go. Be like the devil and really make their coming to the Lord take a longer time.
But thank God for the post where a young person knows about God. And all the others where they tell of God blessing them!
 

pickles

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I would say long posts, but that is only due to my own weakness in attention and retention.
But for the ones that trouble me?
When I see one that is full of hate and judgement. Not just for those that are hurt, but more for the ones that are doing the hurt and hate.
My heart aches for such.
God bless, pickles
 
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Mal316

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5 and 10. And in 10 I would include what pickles said, "one that is full of hate and judgment."

I like lots of Scripture. I also think lots of Scripture ought to be presented in an easy on the eyes manner. And it should have some relevance to the post being made. As it has been said, "text out of context is a pretext." If I'm guilty of not following my own advice, I apologize. And please let me know.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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1. People who restart post from months ago.
2. Christians who don't mind undermining the faith of the weak to pursue their personal fascinations.
 
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1. People who restart post from months ago.
2. Christians who don't mind undermining the faith of the weak to pursue their personal fascinations.
There sure has been a lot of talk about undermining the weak in faith on this board lately. I am wondering if more people are having the same fears as you about this. I am also wondering if you have heard from any one who has been questioning their faith due to posts comprised of 'personal fascinations'. If this is more than a concern.....if people are actually losing there faith, it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
 

VW

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Brother, we cannot know every one who reads these boards. Some are reading as guest, looking on so to speak, some wanting to believe, and others just believing, and even some who are looking for an excuse to stop believing. I know that you consider this a place to debate and exchange thoughts, and it is. But I feel strongly that we should temper our posts through the heart of the Holy Spirit, so that we not be the reason for any to stumble.

I have seen our enemy trying to gain a foothold, trying to cause strife and discord among us, and we should not facilitate him in this. And I have seen him attacking some come here looking for answers. I believe that God has an answer for every single person who is seeking Him, and that the Holy Spirit will give that answer, if we seek His wisdom.

In His peace
 
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Brother, we cannot know every one who reads these boards.

Well, I am not trying to be argumentative - but I would like to discuss this. Part of me wants to say, it comes with the territory; if we start limiting people from discussing what is on their mind because someone has decided that it is dangerous for young Christians to read and attributing evil intentions to those who simply want to work out their faith - I think it will not be enforceable, just, or healthy. It may just be my opinion, but I believe questioning is a good thing and promotes further study. If a person who is weak in faith comes here and sees us discussing difficult and thought provoking topics without fear, I think it will give people courage that these tough issues do not have to be avoided or ignored because Christianity is not able to handle them.

Some are reading as guest, looking on so to speak, some wanting to believe, and others just believing, and even some who are looking for an excuse to stop believing. I know that you consider this a place to debate and exchange thoughts, and it is. But I feel strongly that we should temper our posts through the heart of the Holy Spirit, so that we not be the reason for any to stumble.

I am just not seeing my posts as dangerous - I think they are challenging, but I always promote the sovereignty of God and the saving work of Jesus on the cross and His sanctification in the hearts of Christians. I also believe Christianity is a dynamic faith, with a long history of rich, intellectual thought, which is being sacrificed for safe and nice.

I do not believe posts that talk about safe topics or promote rigid answers do Christianity any favors. When I first started posting here, the hot topic was, "should Christians [men] have long hair?" Now there is nothing wrong with this kind of topic, but there is also nothing thought provoking about it either. You seem to worry about the Christian that is weak in their faith reading my posts, but what about people who are struggling with real spiritual problems or life problems? How are they going to respond to people that claim to have the truth and a rock solid faith in God arguing about hair? It just seems to me that God is big enough to handle even the most difficult issues.


I have seen our enemy trying to gain a foothold, trying to cause strife and discord among us, and we should not facilitate him in this.

The only strife I have seen so far is certain people becoming very emotional and frightened over threads that do not conform to safe topics. Thinking outside of an extremely narrow point of view, even though it is orthodox seems to upset people that claim to have a strong faith - meanwhile, I haven't heard anyone with a weak faith come forward with concerns - now, I understand we can't know everyone who reads these boards and someone my get hurt without our knowledge.

Admittedly, it is deeply troubling for me to watch certain Christians here get so frightened over posts that provoke thought, and yet, so tolerant of threads that promote hatred against Israel and conspiracy theories and vasectomies! Honestly, I think I have written more about sanctification of the Spirit, the grace of God, and God's will in the last two weeks then most people here.


And I have seen him attacking some come here looking for answers. I believe that God has an answer for every single person who is seeking Him, and that the Holy Spirit will give that answer, if we seek His wisdom.

I've seen a lot of people getting attacked, but it is usually the Christians that are frightened that I have seen lash out against people they believe are arrogantly promoting heresy or atheism or ideas that are not supported by scripture.

The fact is, we as Christians have the reputation in the world for being arrogant, dismissive, anti-intellectual, dogmatic, and promoters of black and white thinking methods, with an ends justifies the means morality; more concerned with closing the deal than loving our neighbors for the long haul. I am just trying to show nonbelievers that Christians are actually much more.

Thanks for reading and God bless


In His peace

Ah - one more thing, I appreciate your defense of my faith this morning - it means a lot to read that you were willing to speak out, even though we do not agree on several doctrinal points.
 

VW

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I think that you misunderstood what my concern is. I do not say that we limit our topics. Not at all. There are some things I would like to explore at a later time which will be different, to say the least. What I am saying is that we strain our posts through the Holy Spirit, letting Him be our censor, or editor, not to limit what we discuss, rather that our manner and tone of discussion accurately represents Jesus Christ and ourselves as His followers.

We know that the board has certain rules which are necessary for this group to work, but I believe that we should consider these rules to be the absolute minimum and we should strive for a higher standard. My discussion with Shad about the Holy Spirit disturbed me greatly, because it was strife, and where ever there is strife, the devil has already taken us captive. I do not want that for any of us.

Hey, I am not pointing any fingers, I am just asking that we ask His opnion before we post something that might be.......wrong.

Blessings brother
 
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Mal316

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Posts that trouble me....

1. Jesus fulfilled the law, so I don't have to.
2. "threads that promote hatred against Israel and conspiracy theories and vasectomies!" aspen
3. The Law is a barrier to God
4. Jesus didn't mention the Sabbath at Matthew 19:18-19 so I don't have to observe the Sabbath.
5. Every possible excuse given for not following God's commands
6. all forms of evil speech: gossip, rumors, libel, presenting others in a negative light and hiding behind "it's true!", ad hominem attacks
7. Muslims worship Satan.
8. People should not be condemned for getting or having tattoos but homosexuals have done what is detestable.

I expect posts defending the belief in not following the Law. *shrug* I'm not here to condemn people for not following the Law. Following the Law is not necessary for salvation. I do, however believe it is evidence of salvation. I choose to defend the Law as God's holy, righteous and good commandments. I believe it is good doctrine and should not be forsaken. And it troubles, no... saddens... me that people would say such things as 1, 3, 4 and 5 listed above.

Where is love? Where is love for God by following His laws? Where is love for our neighbors by treating others as we would wish to be treated? Where is respect for people of different backgrounds and faiths? Where is honor for God when we attack and insult others and spread hatred? That is not how you show people that you are Christ's followers. People will know you are his by the love you show. Only to each other? On the contrary, as it is said:
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:46-58

B'shalom (in peace)

Leo