Believers in God's Grace, Find the Error (video)

[BenFTW]

[video=youtube;HkLLOH7qXPg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkLLOH7qXPg[/video]

I am curious, what do you find to be wrong with this video? Would you define this as fire and brimstone preaching? What is this practical holiness they are talking about? Does practical holiness override the finished work of the cross? Where does your eternal security reside, in self or in Jesus? How many errors do you find with this video, and can you name some?

 

[Willie-T]

I gave it up just as soon as I saw that we live out a daily righteousness............... less than a minute into it.

 

[BenFTW]

I gave it up just as soon as I saw that we live out a daily righteousness............... less than a minute into it.

I figured some people might find the video too strong. Like, "enough of this already!" Then just bail out. lol It can be frustrating to watch when you come from a place of grace revelation, glory to God. There is so much condemnation going on in the video though, completely tearing down people's assurance of salvation.

 

[Gr8grace]

Ben Its lordship salvation. The very verses that they use to condemn everybody...................are verses about these teachers.

They are relying on their works and deeds and make faith meritorious. And never relied on Christ alone for their salvation.


These people are who get a pass for the most part for their false doctrine. Because they are close to the truth and their counterfeit is working well.

They say "lord lord, I persevered, I endured,I worked in your name." And the Lord never knew them because It was I,I,I,I,I,I did this for you and they never believed in what the Lord did for them.

They are still part of the Catholic Church or Rome. They just are better at disguising their deception.............not for those who study and grow in grace and knowledge though.

 

[BenFTW]

Ben Its lordship salvation. The very verses that they use to condemn everybody...................are verses about these teachers.

They are relying on their works and deeds and make faith meritorious. And never relied on Christ alone for their salvation.


These people are who get a pass for the most part for their false doctrine. Because they are close to the truth and their counterfeit is working well.

They say "lord lord, I persevered, I endured,I worked in your name." And the Lord never knew them because It was I,I,I,I,I,I did this for you and they never believed in what the Lord did for them.

They are still part of the Catholic Church or Rome. They just are better at disguising their deception.............not for those who study and grow in grace and knowledge though.

Thats one of the things that people seem to ignore when they read those verses. They are defending why they should be saved and point to all the works they did in His name. Its like... what Christian in making his case as to why he should enter Heaven would point to himself and not the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross? Its the glaring problem of those verses for me, that their defense was to point to their works and not Jesus.

 

[wattie]

Yeah.. I saw a video of a sermon from Paul Washer.. and it was like being dragged through the mud of sin before being given the good news.

Basically he was (in a disguised way) teaching that people have to basically 'get their sins together' before getting saved. Turning from sin.. becomes salvation itself. Rather than being 'I'm a sinner.. God please help me.. save me!' It's more like.. I'm turning from this sin and that.. I am persevering.. therefore I must be saved.

Paul Washer also condemns the sinner's prayer.. which I find irritating. Sure.. just saying words doesn't save someone.. but if it's an honest prayer to Jesus coming out of being convicted you are a sinner.. then surely it counts! (Romans 10)

Paul Washer also did his sermon in a way as if he was crying.. it could have been sincere.. but came across as being petulant.

 

[ladylynn]

Oh man we were raised on this kind of preaching. Always trying to put doubt into a believers heart to keep them in line. And they believe this is a good thing. It's all about US and not Jesus. I never heard of the man Paul Washer but am not a fan of this kind of preaching. Am familiar with it down to the bone.

The Jesus taught here is a hard task master who never gives freely but soooo reluctantly. The problem of sin is never taken care of enough once and for all so we can move on and walk the Christian walk with Jesus. We are too busy being afraid that Jesus may not accept us even in our best behavior let alone when we fall.

As if Jesus is behind us whipping us and driving us..ouch!!! yooowwwweeee wackk!! wackk!! wackk!!!
That is not the gentle Shepherd who leads His sheep and they follow Him because they know He loves them and will take care of them. We do not fear Him because perfect love casts out fear. The love of God constrains us not the fear of God.

But there are many Christians even here on CC who would put their stamp of approval on this sort of preaching because they don't understand Grace. Preachers like this think beating the sin out of a person will save his soul. God So LOVED the world He gave His best.,and if He loved us while we were yet sinners... how much more now that we are His children.

 

[psychomom]

salvation is contingent on the Person and Work of Christ alone...

and the cross is what enables us to live lives of practical holiness.

isn't that how it works?

 

[Grandpa]

We have One Hope. And Only One Hope.

Its not a really good preacher convincing us to act really, really good out of fear of punishment.

That's not perseverance. That's thinly veiled works based righteousness.

Our One and Only Hope is the Lord Jesus Christ.

We aren't saved because we aren't as dirty as the rest of the population.
We aren't saved because we are more holy than everyone else.

This is backwards of true revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are saved because we called out to the Lord Jesus Christ. We are clean because the Lord Jesus Christ has cleansed us. We are holy because He has made us holy.

Everything that is required for Salvation is given freely by the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a gift. Because it is out of our reach to be able to earn.

Otherwise, we would all still be under the law and there would be no need for the Lord Jesus Christ at all. Which is what the enemy must be trying to make people think.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

You know what I find strange? The song writers understand Gods Grace. But then the preacher gets up, as if the people have had too much grace, and starts beating them with law and their own work.

Is there a church anywhere for saved Christians with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Or are they all still working their way to heaven?

Its like people have seen a Christian once and everyone is attempting to emulate that. Wouldn't you rather be and have the Real Thing? Wouldn't you rather have your own Revelation of Christ than rely on someone else's?

If you would the instructions are very simple.

Matthew 11:28 [SUP] [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[shotgunner]

I would just like to say, I didn't watch the video yet but I am so happy to see my brothers and sisters in Christ holding to sound doctrine. I love all the comments I've read so far. It really is amazing how much revelation of Grace the Church in general has received in just the last 10 years.

I am convinced that Jesus is coming back for a Church without spot or wrinkle, and that perfection will be accomplished only by faith in His finished work. It is by faith alone that I am washed clean and completely Justified. Too long have we tried to clean ourselves to be worthy of being washed.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

These are just a few things I noted, and there is much more wrong with this video than just these.

"lay hold of eternal life": This is an act the video claims must be done by us, but it is diametrically opposed by God's word.

John 5, NASB
24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."​

Done deal. Signed, sealed, delivered. Irrevocable. Now, there is a factor to confessing that belief that, if not fulfilled, can negate it. That is, God must see the confession as true and sincere of heart. When He does, He seals us for the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:14) with the "down payment" of the indwelling Holy Spirit. If we are not truthful, if we are not sincere, then we have not truly believed, and therefore we are not saved.

"did not commune with me": First off, the "commune" word is not in the Bible. Anywhere. It means to communicate, to seek counsel from. With God, we do that through prayer. But while prayer, Bible study, solitude, and evangelism are among the Christian disciplines, not doing them does not negate salvation, and I find the suggestion offensive. If we are not active in a prayer life, we either feel guilty about it and constantly seek to improve our relationshp with God, or we don't. If we don't, there's a good chance we are not saved, or at least very ill-informed about how we grow, how we are sanctified, in Christ. If we aren't saved, certainly we need to rectify that. But struggling with our Christian disciplines is not a cause for being separated from God.

"lived as though I never gave you a law to obey": The only law Christ gave us to obey is the law of faith, and we don't even have responsibility for that. It is Him who grants us, through the grace of God, the faith needed to believe.

"confession of faith is worth nothing": There is only one answer to such heresy.

Romans 10
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart "-that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.​

These men teach directly against the word of God.

"conformity to the will of God": They throw off phrases like this without even knowing what they mean. Alphonsus Maria de' Ligouri, a Catholic Bishop in Pagani, Italy, wrote nearly 250 years ago: "Perfection is founded entirely on the love of God: “Charity is the bond of perfection and perfect love of God means the complete union of our will with God’s. The principal effect of love is so to unite the wills of those who love each other as to make them will the same things." Not bad for a Catholic prelate.

Essentially, de' Liqouri said that God's will is that we be conformed to His image. As I have said so many, many times before to our own "works = salvation" crowd on this forum, this isn't a matter of "doing." It is a matter of "being" -- in Christ. Certainly we need to engage in the Christian disciplines. These are, in some semblance of order of importance:

• Scripture reading
• Prayer
• Worship
• Scripture meditation
• Evangelism
• Serving
• Stewardship of time and money
• Scripture application
• Fasting
• Silence and solitude
• Journaling
• Learning

These aren't done in obedience, but surrender. Surrender brings us closer to Christ. Christ brings us closer to God. And the Holy Spirit, who is given to us irrevocably when we express our true and sincere confession of faith, is our conduit of relationship with the Godhead.

These men in this video mean well, I'm sure. But just like those on here who claim we can lose salvation, their claim that there are those who believe in Christ as Savior and Lord who are not saved because they "do no works" are dead wrong.