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YuriBrown1234567

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Do NOT go to church.

The Mark of the Beast Is Sunday Keeping And The Keeping of Pagan Festivals. The Mark of Beast breaks the 1st and 4th Commandment.

Exodus 20:1-11

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Those who recieve the Mark of Beast Recieve this...

Revelation 16

This false world wide Church and political system is confusing and seperating God's people. This false church system no where near practices what is pleasing to God. They do not even observe Any of the 7 Holy Days correctly. Leviticus 23. No animal sacrafices needed. In addition the False Church does not recognize the Weekly Sabbath correctly.

Matthew 5:17
Matthew 19:17

Saturday is the Sabbath it the 7th Day

Genesis 2:1-3

Exodus 20:8-11

Exodus 31:12-17

Friday Sunset to Saturday Suneset

Revelation 20

Those who resist the Mark of Beast gain Eternal life on Earth.
 
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Many people these days find it a religious tradition to go to a church to worship once a week. For some, on the other hand, find the church as a place to meet new people or perhaps, a club to fill up their free time. Yet, there are some complains when they see some not so well to do people coming into the church, not wearing clean clothes, looking haggard, so on and so forth - that they even asked them to leave. While some looking at a drug addict or prostitute who just walk into the church and sat on the pew, the church members talk among themselves and some brave enough to tell them to go.

How about you? What is a church to you? As Jesus said in Mark 2:17, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come for the righteous but for the sinners." Hence, a church to me, is a hospital for the broken, wounded, injured, damaged, sick, all those who need healing and redemption from the grace of God.
Hi, it took me a while to figure out that church is the people of God, not the building or denomination.
Some years ago after a church elder had inappropriately propositioned me I fled around my town looking for somewhere else to go, desperate to hear the counsel of God and His comfort. I was in tears and somewhat distraught. I entered a little church on a backstreet hoping that I would be loved and looked after.

First they asked me where my hat was and said they wouldn't let me inside unless I had one. Next they told me that even if I found a head covering they wouldn't want to welcome me unless I had a letter from the congregation I belonged to!!!!

Already hurting because of a bad experience, I was shocked that a church could so ignore the commands of Jesus in such a cruel way, for the sake of maintaining their own traditions.

I had to return to the church with the promiscuous elder, but determined I would have to bring the offense to light for the sake of the health of the congregation. What I experienced there was really terrible as they took the elder's words to be true and mine to be lies. It was a very miserable experience.

BUT at least I knew the difference between the real kind of Christians and the pretending kind. By their FRUITS ye shall know them. Next followed about 15 years of work on the street finding the homeless and outcast. I was amazed how many brothers and sisters I found out there. And now I am finding brothers and sisters on these forums, homeless in the sense of no church fellowship.

It seems to me that becoming needy as I was...emotionally and spiritually having been abused in the church setting....it seemed to give me outcast status as far as "church" went...they wanted me all smiles and singing songs like before...but as soon as I was hurting and needy, those who were supposed to be teachers and leaders didn't want to know.

So church to me now is those who love the Lord Jesus and long to be who He wants them to be, and to do what He says to do. It is a very different picture from denominational Christianity.

:)
 
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JustViv

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Hi, it took me a while to figure out that church is the people of God, not the building or denomination.
Some years ago after a church elder had inappropriately propositioned me I fled around my town looking for somewhere else to go, desperate to hear the counsel of God and His comfort. I was in tears and somewhat distraught. I entered a little church on a backstreet hoping that I would be loved and looked after.

First they asked me where my hat was and said they wouldn't let me inside unless I had one. Next they told me that even if I found a head covering they wouldn't want to welcome me unless I had a letter from the congregation I belonged to!!!!

Already hurting because of a bad experience, I was shocked that a church could so ignore the commands of Jesus in such a cruel way, for the sake of maintaining their own traditions.

I had to return to the church with the promiscuous elder, but determined I would have to bring the offense to light for the sake of the health of the congregation. What I experienced there was really terrible as they took the elder's words to be true and mine to be lies. It was a very miserable experience.

BUT at least I knew the difference between the real kind of Christians and the pretending kind. By their FRUITS ye shall know them. Next followed about 15 years of work on the street finding the homeless and outcast. I was amazed how many brothers and sisters I found out there. And now I am finding brothers and sisters on these forums, homeless in the sense of no church fellowship.

It seems to me that becoming needy as I was...emotionally and spiritually having been abused in the church setting....it seemed to give me outcast status as far as "church" went...they wanted me all smiles and singing songs like before...but as soon as I was hurting and needy, those who were supposed to be teachers and leaders didn't want to know.

So church to me now is those who love the Lord Jesus and long to be who He wants them to be, and to do what He says to do. It is a very different picture from denominational Christianity.

:)

I feel you! You know what? We, as human beings, although we repent from our wrong doings but the people around us, especially those from the church will remember us as what we were and not willing to see what we are today. They remember what we were before and concluded that, "So and so is like that and does things like this!" I have recently changed church (about 1.5 years ago) because of the same issue too.
 
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Ephesians 4:1-3
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I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 

mailmandan

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Universal that was used to describe the early Church in the 2nd and 3rd centuries before the Catholic church was even heard of or formed in the 4th century only meant that believers of all nationalities can become believers in Christ.
The word "Catholic" simply means "universal" yet the Roman Catholic church, which did not form until the early 4th century, wants everyone to believe that only "they" are the "universal Church," the body of Christ, and have been from the very beginning, but that is simply not true. The reference to "the holy catholic Church" in the Apostle's Creeds refers to the universal church, not their denomination.
 
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The pastor was firm on the Word vs. the perception, so he told people either accept it or leave, because these new people needed church as much as the members did.
Good for your pastor. I applaud him and your hubby!
 
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Do NOT go to church.

The Mark of the Beast Is Sunday Keeping And The Keeping of Pagan Festivals. The Mark of Beast breaks the 1st and 4th Commandment.

Exodus 20:1-11

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Those who recieve the Mark of Beast Recieve this...

Revelation 16

This false world wide Church and political system is confusing and seperating God's people. This false church system no where near practices what is pleasing to God. They do not even observe Any of the 7 Holy Days correctly. Leviticus 23. No animal sacrafices needed. In addition the False Church does not recognize the Weekly Sabbath correctly.

Matthew 5:17
Matthew 19:17

Saturday is the Sabbath it the 7th Day

Genesis 2:1-3

Exodus 20:8-11

Exodus 31:12-17

Friday Sunset to Saturday Suneset

Revelation 20

Those who resist the Mark of Beast gain Eternal life on Earth.
Houston, we have a problem!
 
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#28
Many people these days find it a religious tradition to go to a church to worship once a week. For some, on the other hand, find the church as a place to meet new people or perhaps, a club to fill up their free time. Yet, there are some complains when they see some not so well to do people coming into the church, not wearing clean clothes, looking haggard, so on and so forth - that they even asked them to leave. While some looking at a drug addict or prostitute who just walk into the church and sat on the pew, the church members talk among themselves and some brave enough to tell them to go.

How about you? What is a church to you? As Jesus said in Mark 2:17, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come for the righteous but for the sinners." Hence, a church to me, is a hospital for the broken, wounded, injured, damaged, sick, all those who need healing and redemption from the grace of God.
The body of Christ. ;)

#Bam
#Boom
#ThatWillPreach
 

Jesus4ever

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Church is place were we renew our faith and where we offer our gifts to God. We need the church, as the church needs us. Not even Jesus walked alone. We need brothers and sisters. Church is very important, in my opinion. It´s the body of Christ. Would you think that one think that´s considered in the Bible as the body of our dear Lord, wouldn´t be important?


God bless you!
 

Yet

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The ekklesia, mis-translated church, is made up with the body of believers. The word 'church' is appropriately used in Acts denoting pagan temples.

Tyndale rightly translated ekklesia to congregation, hence the folks. He was strangled and burnt at the stake for his troubles.

What is so lovingly called 'church' today is not really the assembly that scripture describes. Would be better to simply call it an 'oratory hall of monologues.' That does not envision what Christ said 'thou hast prepared for Me a body'.

The fellowship of the believers was to be a gathering conducive for one to one edification. One brings a psalm, one an exhortation, one a tongue, another an interpretation of tongues, one a prophesy, another a teaching, everyone sharing what God has spoken to them. Taking turns, everything done decently and in (Holy Spirit directed) order. What a novel concept theat is!

Because the headship of Christ was discarded about 1700 years ago for the clerical system, disorder has become the norm.

If we ever get back to the NT paradigm of an assembly of saints, the raggedy street people could finally find a true refuge for their souls.
 

Yet

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#31
Do NOT go to church.

The Mark of the Beast Is Sunday Keeping And The Keeping of Pagan Festivals. The Mark of Beast breaks the 1st and 4th Commandment.

Exodus 20:1-11

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Those who recieve the Mark of Beast Recieve this...

Revelation 16

This false world wide Church and political system is confusing and seperating God's people. This false church system no where near practices what is pleasing to God. They do not even observe Any of the 7 Holy Days correctly. Leviticus 23. No animal sacrafices needed. In addition the False Church does not recognize the Weekly Sabbath correctly.

Matthew 5:17
Matthew 19:17

Saturday is the Sabbath it the 7th Day

Genesis 2:1-3

Exodus 20:8-11

Exodus 31:12-17

Friday Sunset to Saturday Suneset

Revelation 20

Those who resist the Mark of Beast gain Eternal life on Earth.
Keep studying. You don't have it right yet. The sabbath with the other 612 rules/commands were for Israel and Israel alone. Jesus fulfilled the law. He is the sabbath. All of us now cease from our own labors and enter His rest.
The saints met everyday of the week to fellowship. Read Acts.
 
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I feel you! You know what? We, as human beings, although we repent from our wrong doings but the people around us, especially those from the church will remember us as what we were and not willing to see what we are today. They remember what we were before and concluded that, "So and so is like that and does things like this!" I have recently changed church (about 1.5 years ago) because of the same issue too.
Wow you know it is far more common than I would have hoped! very sad.

Thankfully when I was out on my ear I found the Lord to be so real to me, and I know He wanted me to get out of there because when there is immorality there is probably all manner of other disobedience as yet undiscovered.

Are you doing ok now?

Love to you in Him :)
 
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It is the medium by which God receives worship, honor, praise and glory in this present age!

Unto to him be glory in the CHURCH throughout ALL ages<---world without end.....
 

posthuman

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*ahem*

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
(Hebrews 10:25)
 
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I am part of the church and all who follow Christ are the church. The building is called the steeple.
 
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Eva1218

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To me the Church is people who have accepted JESUS CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR. We come together collectively as One Body. Christians can come together collectively in many different ways such as gathering together at a Church, home, internet site, park and many different other places.

Those who have took it upon themselves to throw a person out due to their appearance have not truly allowed HOLY SPIRIT to grow them enough to bare HIS Fruit. We all have come to GOD filthy and in need of a Good Washing. Only GOD can Wash us Clean. Instead of thinking one is better than another the Church should provide such things for those coming out from darkness. Church should have whatever it is one needs to truly help them adjust to being in Light. Meaning food, clothing, a safe place to Worship, Learn about GOD, Learn their Calling, Walk in their Gift and use their Talents.

The Church does not clean anyone up this is why many churches fail and instead of seeing people whole they remove them. We must be patient in seeing the results of one spending time with GOD. GOD Works from the inside out so when one looks only at the outward appearance of another they miss the move of GOD. For this very reason among others GOD has given us Discernment, because we get to see what is going on within one instead of looking at the exterior. I believe the Church is not a bunch of broken, sick and in need of a healing, but I believe the Church is made up of One people serving ONE GOD!

Blessings!!!!!!!
 

Yet

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I am part of the church and all who follow Christ are the church. The building is called the steeple.
Huh? Deut. 16:22 God hates the setting up of pillars.

The modern steeple can be traced back to the catholic church putting a cross on top of an obelisk. The obelisks of Egypt were phallic symbols and worshipped as idols. The obelisk, I believe , can be traced back to the Tower of Babel.
In a word, the steeple is not a good thing. Google for more info.
 

wattie

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Universal that was used to describe the early Church in the 2nd and 3rd centuries before the Catholic church was even heard of or formed in the 4th century only meant that believers of all nationalities can become believers in Christ.
Biblically though........ church = ecclessia, an assembly or congregation called out to meet. I think it was Thayer who said that in all the Greek Lexicons and references in the New Testament.. there is no point at which the word 'church' is ever meant in a universal sense.

The Family of God biblically is what people now are calling the 'big C church'
 
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JustViv

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Wow you know it is far more common than I would have hoped! very sad.

Thankfully when I was out on my ear I found the Lord to be so real to me, and I know He wanted me to get out of there because when there is immorality there is probably all manner of other disobedience as yet undiscovered.

Are you doing ok now?

Love to you in Him :)
I'm doing very well and happy right now in where I am. :) Many people like to judge and Christians knew that we've not been called to judge but some will tell you, they are only a vessel of God telling that you are wrong and so on. But then again, often times, people listen not what you have got to say, it's sad, ain't it?