LISTENING & UNDERSTANDING

[Wootie]

I pray that those of you seeking to (figure it all out) will stop wasting your time, because until we get to Heaven and God tells us what it was all about-we will only have to have Faith in what the Bible instructs us to do. All too many times we worry about being right/wrong, what we need to be worried about is sharing the Word of God with non-believers and saving their souls. Rather than trying to pick apart the whats-whys-whos & whens!!!!!!!! Sorry, a post on here got me fired up.

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

Corrections and reproof is mandatory. One would consider it arguing, but even in the days of the Apostle Paul, did people not argue with him over the words he spoke? Did not Paul correct the Galatians, and Corinthians? Likewise, we should correct one another.

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" -- 2 Timothy 3:16

 

[aspen]

I pray that those of you seeking to (figure it all out) will stop wasting your time, because until we get to Heaven and God tells us what it was all about-we will only have to have Faith in what the Bible instructs us to do. All too many times we worry about being right/wrong, what we need to be worried about is sharing the Word of God with non-believers and saving their souls. Rather than trying to pick apart the whats-whys-whos & whens!!!!!!!! Sorry, a post on here got me fired up.

I get your point - it is a good one. People can be married to their ideas. We need to take ourselves with a grain of salt, so to speak. Exercise your reason with a light touch.

I like to talk about ideas, but it is only a strange hobby. Sanctification of my heart by Jesus is my salvation. I may be dead wrong, but someday my living heart will know love and how to love others.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Wootie when I start to become angry over peoples posts I stop reading a while. People are here to debate and sometimes it gets ugly and egos clash, but ultimately I think we realize we fight for the same team...anyone that attacks your Christianity on the sake of an opinion can usually be brushed off with a laugh because they're mostly over-reacting. Let God deal with them.

 

[zavok]

I pray that those of you seeking to (figure it all out) will stop wasting your time, because until we get to Heaven and God tells us what it was all about-we will only have to have Faith in what the Bible instructs us to do. All too many times we worry about being right/wrong, what we need to be worried about is sharing the Word of God with non-believers and saving their souls. Rather than trying to pick apart the whats-whys-whos & whens!!!!!!!! Sorry, a post on here got me fired up.

cant you just wait and see if we come to you for help and then preach instead of comeing straight to us

 

[imoss]

zavok, wootie wasnt speaking to people who havent received the Lord... I think she was speaking to the many doctrine discussions we get into on here. You absolutely should not wait until you meet God to sort out your salvation. God Bless you & I'm glad you came to us!

 

[pickles]

Wootie, I understand and agree with what you are saying.
Now, I have read about this terrible post by a few of you.
Where is it and what did I miss?
God bless, pickles

 

[zavok]

zavok, wootie wasnt speaking to people who havent received the Lord... I think she was speaking to the many doctrine discussions we get into on here. You absolutely should not wait until you meet God to sort out your salvation. God Bless you & I'm glad you came to us!

im nt here to be turned sorry

 

[shad]

im nt here to be turned sorry

You did come to this site. Why did you come and what is it that you do not want to be turned from?

 

[Browncoat]

I can't speak for him, but I personally agree with his statement, that I'm not here to be turned either. I came, however, because I believe in learning and that learning honours G-d, and that I can learn from fellow brothers and sisters in my Abba, G-d, just like I believe you all can learn from me

As for being "turned", I have no interest in following Christianity. G-d led me out of Christianity and into Judaism, and that is where I plan to stay, and to honour Him and the Deliverer, the Messiah Yeshua

 

[shad]

I can't speak for him, but I personally agree with his statement, that I'm not here to be turned either. I came, however, because I believe in learning and that learning honours G-d, and that I can learn from fellow brothers and sisters in my Abba, G-d, just like I believe you all can learn from me

As for being "turned", I have no interest in following Christianity. G-d led me out of Christianity and into Judaism, and that is where I plan to stay, and to honour Him and the Deliverer, the Messiah Yeshua

Yahweh would never turn you from His Son, who is the head of the church and body of Christ, made up of Jew and Gentile stock. Yahweh would have turned you from Judaism unto Christ who has redeemed a people for Himself and has put each one in the body, the church of the living God. These are the true Christians that have been purchased by the blood of the lamb that have been called by grace to reveal Christ in all the world. If you do not want to be part of this kind of Christianity that God has called sinners to be a living participant of, then you are in unbelief and need to be turned unto this Christ that died and gave His life as a ransom. You can't believe in this Christ and not be a purchased possession and a member of His body, the church.

 

[Browncoat]

Ah, but see, this is where we do not disagree I believe, just as you do, that Yeshua is the Messiah and the Son of G-d, and that through his death we have received atonement for our sins.

What I do not believe, however, is that I have to follow your set of beliefs (Christianity) in order to accept that fact and follow G-d. I believe we can have unity and fellowship as brothers of our Abba, our Father, HaShem, regardless of doctrine

 

[imoss]

im nt here to be turned sorry

Its ok, glad u r here anyway I appreciate your humour.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Ah, but see, this is where we do not disagree I believe, just as you do, that Yeshua is the Messiah and the Son of G-d, and that through his death we have received atonement for our sins.

What I do not believe, however, is that I have to follow your set of beliefs (Christianity) in order to accept that fact and follow G-d. I believe we can have unity and fellowship as brothers of our Abba, our Father, HaShem, regardless of doctrine

I am not sure who twisted your way of thinking, but you can't call a duck, a chicken and it become a chicken, neither can you call Christainity, judaism and it become judaism, if you believe

I believe, just as you do, that Yeshua is the Messiah and the Son of G-d, and that through his death we have received atonement for our sins.

then you are a christian, you may not believe like most Christians But if you confess that Jesus Christ( the Saviour) has came in the flesh then you are a christian, the Jews that are still under Judaism are still waiting on the Messiah. I mean how twisted can you get "I believe That Jesus Christ saved me But I am not a Christian," you can't paint a wall black and call it a red wall and it become red unless you repaint it. . the disciples were raise under Judaism But when they believed on Jesus they became Christians

Ac 11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called CHRISTIANS first in Antioch.

if you are under judaism then you are still waiting for the Messiah and fall under this verses:

Ro 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:Ro 11:27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.Ro 11:28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

 

[Browncoat]

I am not sure who twisted your way of thinking, but you can't call a duck, a chicken and it become a chicken, neither can you call Christainity, judaism and it become judaism, if you believe

Oh, I was speaking of the religion of Christianity, the doctrines. But at it's very core meaning, "Christ-follower", I would definitely agree with that definition.

But I was talking about the religious beliefs behind Christianity, doctrine and such. I do not subscribe to those, I subscribe to the religion of Judaism.

if you are under judaism then you are still waiting for the Messiah and fall under this verses:

That's not the case, though I know who my messiah is, but I have chosen to follow the religion of Judaism.

 

[oopsies]

For once, I have to agree with you, Keith, and wholeheartedly.

I understand that some people don't want to be labeled as a "Christian" and to be associated with the church. However, the definition of a Christian is one who believes that Jesus is the Messiah and has accepted Him as their personal Saviour. Semantically, you really can't separate it. It would make more sense if you called yourself a Christian but you do not wish to be associated with the church. Going in a roundabout way to say you're not a Christian but you believe Jesus to be the Messiah only creates confusion. I'm sure you don't want to confuse non-believers as if they aren't already thoroughly confused enough with all of the world's religions?

 

[oopsies]

I pray that those of you seeking to (figure it all out) will stop wasting your time, because until we get to Heaven and God tells us what it was all about-we will only have to have Faith in what the Bible instructs us to do. All too many times we worry about being right/wrong, what we need to be worried about is sharing the Word of God with non-believers and saving their souls. Rather than trying to pick apart the whats-whys-whos & whens!!!!!!!! Sorry, a post on here got me fired up.

Sharing the Gospel is important but you also need to protect yourself from false doctrine. I'm sure you don't want to share or believe in the wrong thing, right?

 

[Browncoat]

For once, I have to agree with you, Keith, and wholeheartedly.

I understand that some people don't want to be labeled as a "Christian" and to be associated with the church. However, the definition of a Christian is one who believes that Jesus is the Messiah and has accepted Him as their personal Saviour. Semantically, you really can't separate it. It would make more sense if you called yourself a Christian but you do not wish to be associated with the church. Going in a roundabout way to say you're not a Christian but you believe Jesus to be the Messiah only creates confusion. I'm sure you don't want to confuse non-believers as if they aren't already thoroughly confused enough with all of the world's religions?

See, the literal definition of Christianity is, etymologically, "Christ-follower", in which case I have no problem calling myself "Christian". But Christianity is also a religion built around specific doctrines, doctrines I do not subscribe to.

So etymologically, I follow Yeshua, therefore I am a Christian. But strictly speaking, I do not follow the religion of Christianity. It has nothing to do with association with the church It has everything to do with belief.

 

[Thaddaeus]

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Oh, I was speaking of the religion of Christianity, the doctrines. But at it's very core meaning, "Christ-follower", I would definitely agree with that definition.

But I was talking about the religious beliefs behind Christianity, doctrine and such. I do not subscribe to those, I subscribe to the religion of Judaism.




That's not the case, though I know who my messiah is, but I have chosen to follow the religion of Judaism.

you are either under the law or under grace Romans 6. if you are judaism you do not believe that the atoning blood has been shed yet and you need the blood of bulls and goats, thats twisted man . this is just another religion man has come up with, to say well the christians are wrong and I have the right way, hahahahahahahahaha you are wrong and i am right, thus saith the baptist, thus saying the pentecostal, thus saith the catholics, and thus saith the Jews

Heb 9:12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.Heb 9:13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:Heb 9:14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


what you are doing, is trying to combine the two covenants when God said that the second/ the new one was the one we are to be under, He said new covenant not part 2 of the first covenant.



Heb 8:6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.Heb 8:7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

 

[zavok]

if i wanted to seek a religion i wouldnt go on christian website ill search my own way im here to entertain and be entertained for discussion debate and in a sense learn thats all