Free Will vs. Predestination

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Do you believe in free will, or predestination?

  • Free Will

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • Predestination

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Total voters
    8
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GraceBeUntoYou

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The question may then arise, "why then do we evangelize?" We evangelize so that the sheep that are lost will come to repentance. We don't know who the sheep/elect are, otherwise, we'd only evangelize to them. Out of the entire world, the sheep, the chosen hear the voice of the Good Sheppard, and will follow.
 
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MahogonySnail

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and if you don't evangelise, the would be sheep will still go to hell right?
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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MahogonySnail said:
and if you don't evangelise, the would be sheep will still go to hell right?
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“Jesus answered them, ‘I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.’” – John 10:25-29

The sheep WILL come to repentance, every single one. Even if God too knocks them on the flat of their back, as He did to the Apostle Paul.
 
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MahogonySnail

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Here's a scenario. Suppose there are would be sheep in a remote jungle tribe, that the evangelist just doesn't get to in time, and those would be sheep die. Do they go to heaven or hell?
You say they will come to repentance. But how can they unless the evangelist gets there? And how will they repent without a preacher?
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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So they will come to repentance and believe the gospel without actually hearing it from a preacher. Right?
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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#46
Repentance, and faith are both gifts of God, God gives those gifts to whom He freely chooses. Christ said not one sheep would perish, so, not one sheep will perish. God is in complete and total control of when a person is born and when a person dies, who will believe and who will not, how a person is converted and when, and I can greatly assure you, that not a single sheep would die before first coming to repentance, and believing, no, not even one.

Free will says that faith is a persons own act, that God is doing everything He can, but still, people will perish, and there's nothing He can do about it. The gospel says that faith is a gift, and He has mercy on whom He has mercy, and harden whom He desires, that He will save the elect, and not a single person can snatch them from out of the palm of His hand.
 
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Ash_JFF

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predestination and free will. both sides of the same coin. God chooses us and we choose him back.
 
Browncoat

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Why not limited free will? It accomplishes both predestination and free will in harmony. We have free will, but it is limited in that we cannot thwart the will of G-d.
 
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Thantali

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Browncoat said:
Why not limited free will? It accomplishes both predestination and free will in harmony. We have free will, but it is limited in that we cannot thwart the will of G-d.
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This is my belief...There should be another option on the poll, because I can't really pick any of the choices on there... :p
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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Ash_JFF said:
predestination and free will. both sides of the same coin. God chooses us and we choose him back.
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Jesus said to his disciples in John 15:16, "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you." Likewise, in John 6:44, Christ said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."

You don't choose God. You don't choose Jesus as your Lord, and Saviour, HE IS LORD, AND SAVIOUR. Salvation does not depend upon man, but on God, whom He has mercy.
 
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