The 'you can't out give God' lie!

[Yet]

We are either led my the Spirit or we are not. We are either listening to the 'still small voice' or we are listening to a shrill loud voice of a covetous man and apostate system!

We are told from the pulpit 'you'd better learn to be led of the Spirit or you'll crash and burn', then this hypocrite, out of the other corner of his slobbering mouth breaths out ' it's now time to take up the tithe and offering , don't be robbing God now, and a special offering for me, it's my birthday, and another special offering, it's our wedding anniversary, and another special offering, the air conditioner went out at the parsonage, and another special offering, we are leaving on another vacation a a a I mean we are going to check on our other missionary in the Bahamas, so dig deep, it's more blessed to give than to receive(the liar! See Acts 20 where this verse is lifted out of context. It's telling the elders to work jobs to support the poor. Can you believe the deception here).

Take note the foolishness here: be led of the Spirit and then you'd better give in to the pastors demands or ' Gods gonna gitcha'.

Has your self exalted Reverend(Hebrew: awesome) ever told you that you are giving to much? I thought not!

How about 'you can't out give God'? Are we led by Him or are we led by the Rev.?

Exodus 36:5-7 and they spake unto Moses, saying the people bring much more than enough........and Moses gave command.....let neither man or woman make anymore work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing. For the stuff they had was sufficient....and too much.'

They were out giving what God needed for the work. And it was all voluntary giving from willing hearts. The building of the tabernacle. Voluntary...did you get it yet....voluntary!

How many self appointed hiearchy today would tell the folks 'whoa there, I say whoa there. You're giving too much'.

The worse offenders are the TV exalted preachers. Living in mansions of luxory. Never having enough. Crouches with 30 homes, and Christians keep writing them checks from their meager incomes? You can't make this stuff up! You can't out give God is the satanic mantra.

Go think about it. Is that really being 'led of the Spirit'? A spirit indeed, just not the Holy Spirit? Will the dumb sheep ever wake up?
We are not to 'out give God', we are to give as God directs us to whom He says to give it to, not to whom the Rev. says to give it to which is usually to him. He needs to get a job....Acts 20. And get off the exalted throne. Not biblical!

 

[kaylagrl]

We are either led my the Spirit or we are not. We are either listening to the 'still small voice' or we are listening to a shrill loud voice of a covetous man and apostate system!

We are told from the pulpit 'you'd better learn to be led of the Spirit or you'll crash and burn', then this hypocrite, out of the other corner of his slobbering mouth breaths out ' it's now time to take up the tithe and offering , don't be robbing God now, and a special offering for me, it's my birthday, and another special offering, it's our wedding anniversary, and another special offering, the air conditioner went out at the parsonage, and another special offering, we are leaving on another vacation a a a I mean we are going to check on our other missionary in the Bahamas, so dig deep, it's more blessed to give than to receive(the liar! See Acts 20 where this verse is lifted out of context. It's telling the elders to work jobs to support the poor. Can you believe the deception here).

Take note the foolishness here: be led of the Spirit and then you'd better give in to the pastors demands or ' Gods gonna gitcha'.

Has your self exalted Reverend(Hebrew: awesome) ever told you that you are giving to much? I thought not!

How about 'you can't out give God'? Are we led by Him or are we led by the Rev.?

Exodus 36:5-7 and they spake unto Moses, saying the people bring much more than enough........and Moses gave command.....let neither man or woman make anymore work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing. For the stuff they had was sufficient....and too much.'

They were out giving what God needed for the work. And it was all voluntary giving from willing hearts. The building of the tabernacle. Voluntary...did you get it yet....voluntary!

How many self appointed hiearchy today would tell the folks 'whoa there, I say whoa there. You're giving too much'.

The worse offenders are the TV exalted preachers. Living in mansions of luxory. Never having enough. Crouches with 30 homes, and Christians keep writing them checks from their meager incomes? You can't make this stuff up! You can't out give God is the satanic mantra.

Go think about it. Is that really being 'led of the Spirit'? A spirit indeed, just not the Holy Spirit? Will the dumb sheep ever wake up?
We are not to 'out give God', we are to give as God directs us to whom He says to give it to, not to whom the Rev. says to give it to which is usually to him. He needs to get a job....Acts 20. And get off the exalted throne. Not biblical!

I know this is a thorn in your paw.I dont say this to brag but to relate stories from my experience.I traveled and sang in churches for 20yrs. I was in just about every denomination you can name.I didn't see very many rich pastors.Maybe more so in the city churches but for the vast majority they weren't making the same money as many off parishioners in their church.TV predachers? Yay totally in it for the money,no doubt about it.But in all my years of travel I did not see what you experienced.A workman is worthy of his hire. 1 Tim... The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages."

 

[Joidevivre]

Obviously Yet, you are not going to the right churches. Having lived many years (as you have), I have not heard this said or done. In fact, we are only told to give as we feel led to give. Nothing said about all the things you mention. If there are needs, they are printed in the bulletin board for people to pray about.

Sometimes there are special offerings for any missionaries the church is sponsoring - but other than that nothing more.

I just can't figure out what is going on with you. I, too, have been in many churches, and have seen nothing to warrant such accusations you make ALL the time. If it is not this - it is something else.

Just spend your time praying for them instead of being critical.

 

[ember]

I have actually been in a few (notice I said a few) churches where the money is way too much a focus...pastors drove big cars, big homes etc

But most were not like that

I would be more concerned about the mega ministries that involve a floor show featuring the Holy Spirit and the constant begging for money on many of these so called Christian TV stations

Everyone is not all the same...but they are out there all right

I'm not sure 'slobbering' helps...we get the picture already

reading on, I see you have included TV personalities...I feel better now

 

[BarlyGurl]

I am in agreement with each commentator before me... and I also see the pragmatism of Yet's zealous admonishment...


.... How ELSE are the people being manipulated by the "schemes of the greedy" going to get the message??? they need yelled at... being so dull in hearing.

 

[ember]

LOL BarlyGirl...is that why the TV gets turned on so loud?

 

[BarlyGurl]

LOL BarlyGirl...is that why the TV gets turned on so loud?

Ha HA Ember... that really does give me a good laugh that you made a joke of it.... I was being serious!!! LOL, Thank you, just THANK YOU!... <chuckles to herself all the way to kitchen for another cup of coffee>

 

[ember]

coffee? sounds good to me

 

[BenFTW]

Can anyone here boast that they have out given God? Not one? Okay, because I thought it was a silly notion to consider it viable to actually out give God. You know, God your Heavenly Father who gave His Son for you, God who provides because His grace is sufficient. Shall I continue? Lets see, God who put in place spiritual laws that even non-believers are blessed from, such as sowing and reaping. Giving to the poor is like lending to the Lord and He shall repay you, for example (Proverbs 19:17). The myriad of verses speaking of sowing and reaping (Malachi) and other verses speaking of God's favor surrounding one like a shield.

It is not a lie that one cannot out give God. Its common sense. Dare I say, one would know this if they stepped out in faith and gave to the Lord as is challenged in Malachi. He is faithful to His promises. That may have offended someone, because they haven't stepped out due to disbelief or greed. Either way, even that which they have is of the Lord, by His grace. If only they would trust God with their finances they then could be used of God to glorify Himself, to be blessed to be a blessing and help spread God's kingdom.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Can anyone here boast that they have out given God? Not one? Okay, because I thought it was a silly notion to consider it viable to actually out give God. You know, God your Heavenly Father who gave His Son for you, God who provides because His grace is sufficient. Shall I continue? Lets see, God who put in place spiritual laws that even non-believers are blessed from, such as sowing and reaping. Giving to the poor is like lending to the Lord and He shall repay you, for example (Proverbs 19:17). The myriad of verses speaking of sowing and reaping (Malachi) and other verses speaking of God's favor surrounding one like a shield.

It is not a lie that one cannot out give God. Its common sense. Dare I say, one would know this if they stepped out in faith and gave to the Lord as is challenged in Malachi. He is faithful to His promises. That may have offended someone, because they haven't stepped out due to disbelief or greed. Either way, even that which they have is of the Lord, by His grace. If only they would trust God with their finances they then could be used of God to glorify Himself, to be blessed to be a blessing and help spread God's kingdom.

Ben, I agree with the faith message you have posted.... however... I do not actually perceive any correlation to the OP which is directed at the gross violation of "spiritual manipulation" for greedy gain. So While I do think your message is VALUABLE, the context of this thread is probably not the best LOCATION to build this bridge.

 

[BenFTW]

Ben, I agree with the faith message you have posted.... however... I do not actually perceive any correlation to the OP which is directed at the gross violation of "spiritual manipulation" for greedy gain. So While I do think your message is VALUABLE, the context of this thread is probably not the best LOCATION to build this bridge.

It, particularly, is addressing the thread title. It is not a lie, that is the correlation to the thread. It isn't a lie whatsoever. In regards to preachers with their shenanigans of ripping people off through their giving, that is wrong. People give for certain purposes, so the funds should be directed to those purposes that the giver intended to fund. Not the preacher. That is theft.

Now, if they know that a portion of their giving is to be used for whatever purposes in supporting the church and the pastor gets some of the money, well that is supporting the church. Its supporting the livelihood of the preacher to continue preaching and bringing the Gospel message. Of course all of this has to be upfront and people should be fully aware how their finances are being used.

 

[shotgunner]

Ben, I agree with the faith message you have posted.... however... I do not actually perceive any correlation to the OP which is directed at the gross violation of "spiritual manipulation" for greedy gain. So While I do think your message is VALUABLE, the context of this thread is probably not the best LOCATION to build this bridge.

I see this as a good place to discuss both sides of the issue. The only criticism I might have of the OP is that too often when I encounter these type statements they are from people who do not tithe and do not give at all. They justify their own greed and love of money by vilifying preachers as money grubbers just out to get what they have. I do not address this to the OP specifically for I do not know that person at all.

The best way anyone has out of poverty is by applying Luke 6:38 into their life with the full expectation that God will keep his word. I have proved this concept in my own life over the last 17 years.

 

[BarlyGurl]

It, particularly, is addressing the thread title.

AHHH... I see what you were doing now... Gotchya! I am a content reader... and seldom refer back to the title... since they often are posed in a sensationalistic way to GET us to read them. Once IN the room I tend to forget about the sign that was hanging on the door.

probably should be titled using "deception" vs "lie"

 

[Yet]

Of course no one can ever out give God. He already gave His all. That's not my point. The wolves and hirelings dangle the one liner before an untrained, scripturally challenged audience in order to lift their wallets.

'You can't out give God so unload your cash into the plate.' Why stop there? Sign your house and car over. You can't out give God you know. Then when He gives you another house and car, sign them over also. Keep on keeping on. Can't out give God!


Another beauty is this one, 'give until it hurts'. We are not told in the word to give until it hurts.

We are told to give as we purpose in our hearts according to what we have, not according to we don't have.

Not to relieve others and put a strain on ourselves.

 

[Yet]

Maybe I should have called a 'diversionary tactic' to swindle folks.

 

[shotgunner]

Of course no one can ever out give God. He already gave His all. That's not my point. The wolves and hirelings dangle the one liner before an untrained, scripturally challenged audience in order to lift their wallets.

'You can't out give God so unload your cash into the plate.' Why stop there? Sign your house and car over. You can't out give God you know. Then when He gives you another house and car, sign them over also. Keep on keeping on. Can't out give God!


Another beauty is this one, 'give until it hurts'. We are not told in the word to give until it hurts.

We are told to give as we purpose in our hearts according to what we have, not according to we don't have.

Not to relieve others and put a strain on ourselves.

The problem with that thinking is that you assume to know a person's heart. It's the worst kind of judgmental thinking.

 

[Lancelot]

Nobody can out give God, of course. But "you can't out give God" is often used by manipulative ministers/con artists to get people to give beyond their means, and they end up with less as a result. It wasn't a matter of God not responding to their faith. It was a matter of the person not giving in faith, but out of manipulation.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Of course no one can ever out give God. He already gave His all. That's not my point. The wolves and hirelings dangle the one liner before an untrained, scripturally challenged audience in order to lift their wallets.

'You can't out give God so unload your cash into the plate.' Why stop there? Sign your house and car over. You can't out give God you know. Then when He gives you another house and car, sign them over also. Keep on keeping on. Can't out give God!


Another beauty is this one, 'give until it hurts'. We are not told in the word to give until it hurts.

We are told to give as we purpose in our hearts according to what we have, not according to we don't have.

Not to relieve others and put a strain on ourselves.

exactly! The give until it hurts is in direct contradiction to 2 Corinthians 8:13.

 

[Yet]

I must humble myself here. I said that the Crouch family had 30 homes. I was dead wrong. They only have 13 mansions and a hundred thousand dollar mobile home and a private jet. The poor folks. How do they ever get by?

So I confess my sin for reporting in error. Please forgive me!

 

[Yet]

Nobody can out give God, of course. But "you can't out give God" is often used by manipulative ministers/con artists to get people to give beyond their means, and they end up with less as a result. It wasn't a matter of God not responding to their faith. It was a matter of the person not giving in faith, but out of manipulation.

I would say it different. The folks had faith that was manipulated by deceitful wolves. Taking advantage of their commitment to Christ and their ignorance of scripture!