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For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
(Gen 3:5-6)
I believe it was the covetousness for that 'higher knowledge' to make them as god.
The 'good for food' and 'pleasant to the eyes' part only helped her to succumb to have that higher knowledge/to be as god.
(Gen 3:5-6)
I believe it was the covetousness for that 'higher knowledge' to make them as god.
The 'good for food' and 'pleasant to the eyes' part only helped her to succumb to have that higher knowledge/to be as god.
Hello crossnote,
I believe that the crux of their sin was that, God said to Adam if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you will die. Satan came along and said, no you won't die. Adam and Eve believe Satan over God, which is why father Abraham was credited with righteousness and that because he believed God's promise regarding giving him a son. Now everyone who has the same faith as Abraham is credited with righteousness.
I believe that the crux of their sin was that, God said to Adam if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you will die. Satan came along and said, no you won't die. Adam and Eve believe Satan over God, which is why father Abraham was credited with righteousness and that because he believed God's promise regarding giving him a son. Now everyone who has the same faith as Abraham is credited with righteousness.
L
I'm not sure I can believe that this is "the best of all possible worlds" anymore.
I want to believe that, due to God's Sovereignty,
but then reality hits, and my doubts ensue.
BUT to speculate otherwise is useless.
What I'm getting at, is: did God really have another "timing" or "plan" other than the one that took place?
It is a genuine thought,
but is it a constructive one,
or a destructive thought?
When we begin to speculate about "God's perfect will" verses His "permissive will",
we delve into an unrevealed subject,
not displayed within the revealed Word of God,
but only invented by the curiosity of mankind.
The sin in the Garden,
and the possibility of a world where that sin never took place,
should not form any solid theological opinions within us.
To do so is to hold human logic as superior to the Word, as a method of understanding reality.
I want to believe that, due to God's Sovereignty,
but then reality hits, and my doubts ensue.
BUT to speculate otherwise is useless.
What I'm getting at, is: did God really have another "timing" or "plan" other than the one that took place?
It is a genuine thought,
but is it a constructive one,
or a destructive thought?
When we begin to speculate about "God's perfect will" verses His "permissive will",
we delve into an unrevealed subject,
not displayed within the revealed Word of God,
but only invented by the curiosity of mankind.
The sin in the Garden,
and the possibility of a world where that sin never took place,
should not form any solid theological opinions within us.
To do so is to hold human logic as superior to the Word, as a method of understanding reality.
J
GOD always has a plan starting with in the Beginning. That's how he works. The first sin of disobedience was a distraction from his plan, man was already giving dominion over everything, even the tree of knowledge but not permission to uses it until Gods plan manifested it to be used. He didn't destroy man He saved Noah a just man that kept the promise of Abraham,the gift of the holy spirit which is JESUS CHRIST
L
Is that in the Bible though? Or just a speculation?
It is an educated guess.
BUT
You can't know that God's "plan" was thwarted, or even "distracted", because that is not how the Bible words it.
For all we know, God's original Plan already incorporated the human response of disobedience.
This is why Christ was PREDESTINED to come "before the foundations of the world".
Christ was not an after-thought. He was not just a response to the sin of the Garden.
He was the Plan from before the Beginning.
It is an educated guess.
BUT
You can't know that God's "plan" was thwarted, or even "distracted", because that is not how the Bible words it.
For all we know, God's original Plan already incorporated the human response of disobedience.
This is why Christ was PREDESTINED to come "before the foundations of the world".
Christ was not an after-thought. He was not just a response to the sin of the Garden.
He was the Plan from before the Beginning.
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L
After re-reading those first few chapters several times just now,
I've come to the conclusion that the perfect will of God was for man to never be married,
and that the creation of women was just an after-thought, conceded by God, due to man's weakness.
(Some sarcasm is present)
But still, I'm totally never getting married. Look at the trouble women cause.
Dog is man's best friend.
Women never should have existed.
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These are the types of thoughts that come from assuming that God's perfect Will is anything other than the reality that occurred and occurs.
I've come to the conclusion that the perfect will of God was for man to never be married,
and that the creation of women was just an after-thought, conceded by God, due to man's weakness.
(Some sarcasm is present)
But still, I'm totally never getting married. Look at the trouble women cause.
Dog is man's best friend.
Women never should have existed.
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These are the types of thoughts that come from assuming that God's perfect Will is anything other than the reality that occurred and occurs.
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L
So it seems to me, that the real sin in the Garden of Eden was:
that Adam was either too lazy or too foolish to find a good companion amongst Creation.
Without a women, the Tree incident never would have occurred.
Therefore, what sparked the Fall was actually Adam's lazy lack of effort in finding the companionship of a good dog,
which was obviously God's original Plan for huMANity.
(When did I become a troll? This could become a bad habit. I must resist this)
that Adam was either too lazy or too foolish to find a good companion amongst Creation.
Without a women, the Tree incident never would have occurred.
Therefore, what sparked the Fall was actually Adam's lazy lack of effort in finding the companionship of a good dog,
which was obviously God's original Plan for huMANity.
(When did I become a troll? This could become a bad habit. I must resist this)
G
Adam and Eve died when they sinned. They did not die until after they sinned. The bible is clear, they sinned then they died. You would have them dead before they ate of the tree of knowledge.
Your conclusion reminds me of stuff I had to listen to in college, especially in psychology and philosophy courses. Gibberish and Pop psychology.
Quit distorting the truth. They sinned when they ate. They died.
Now you tell God that He was wrong. You tell Him Adam and Eve sinned before they ate of the tree of knowledge.
Ellen G. White, Joseph Smith, Rutherford, they and many others who started cults thought as you do. They thought they knew better than God. Basically, called God a liar.
You want to know what the sin is in this thread? Your vain babbling.
Your conclusion reminds me of stuff I had to listen to in college, especially in psychology and philosophy courses. Gibberish and Pop psychology.
Quit distorting the truth. They sinned when they ate. They died.
Now you tell God that He was wrong. You tell Him Adam and Eve sinned before they ate of the tree of knowledge.
Ellen G. White, Joseph Smith, Rutherford, they and many others who started cults thought as you do. They thought they knew better than God. Basically, called God a liar.
You want to know what the sin is in this thread? Your vain babbling.