Is all slavery bad?

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giantone

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People commonly think of slavery as a crime, and much of it is but sometimes the alternative is starvation or death. any comments?
 
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flyboy01

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People commonly think of slavery as a crime, and much of it is but sometimes the alternative is starvation or death. any comments?
Well, still if the alternative is starvation and death, doesn't make enough arguments for it being right. At least in my opinion.
 
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hello,

In the Old Testament it says that if you buy a Hebrew servant he shall serve you for 6 years and in the 7th year he shall go free.If he came by himself he shall go out by himself.If he came with a wife he shall go out with his wife.If his master gave him a wife and she had children then the wife and children shall stay with his master and he shall go out himself.If the servant say he loves his wife and children and does not want to go free then he shall have his ear bored and shall serve the master forever.

In the Old Testament it does not say slave but servant.In the Bible it talks about masters owning servants but that means an employer to an employee.In the Old Testament God allowed the Jews to make servants over people that they conquered but if they treated them bad like knocked out their tooth or eye they had to let them go free.

It is wrong to have a slave because a slave signifies someone that serves another without their permission.It would be considered kidnapping if someone made someone a slave without their permission.If someone agrees to be a servant then it is alright.

The forefathers of America justified themselves having slaves because of the Bible the Old Testament but those people were their against their will and even if they did believe they could have slaves they did not let them go according to the Bible if they treated them bad.

In the Old Testament it was allowed to buy a servant but if they treated them bad they had to let them go free.In the New Testament it would not be allowed at all to buy someone.

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phil36

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Lol I like the title giantone. I think Human trafficking is a wrong, if thats the same thing, I dont think it makes it right even if the person is starving.. would it not be better for someone with more to feed them?
 
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People commonly think of slavery as a crime, and much of it is but sometimes the alternative is starvation or death. any comments?
pornography, protestution, the sin of Sodom, consumerism, slavery are all the same evil - reducing people to objects
 

phil36

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pornography, protestution, the sin of Sodom, consumerism, slavery are all the same evil - reducing people to objects

Well said!
 
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Also, suggesting that slavery is somehow justified as a solution to starvation reminds me of the history of lobotomies.

In the beginning of the 50's before psychiatric medication, lobotomies were believed to help people with mental illness - later it was discovered that although the procedure did tend to calm people down, all it was doing was adding a brain injury to mental illness!

The procedure and slavery only benefit the caretakers and masters, not the patient.
 
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Matalica

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I also think slavery is wrong, and the word does carry a different meaning than it does in the bible as has been stated.

I also think it is abominable how some plantation slave owners used the bible to justify buying and owning slaves as if they were property.

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In the Bible you could become a slave and be set free in a jubile year. The only problem with this is people started to ignore God's command and kept the slaves beyond jubile.

Leviticus 25:40 *But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile:

Am I wrong in thinking Paul asked Philemon to free Onesimus but didn't demand it by saying he's not a Cristian if he doesn't free his slaves?

Philemon 1

1 ¶Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,
2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:
3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I thank my God, making mention of thee always in my prayers,
5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;
6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.
7 For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother.
8 ¶Wherefore, though I might be much bold in Christ to enjoin thee that which is convenient,
9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.
10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:
12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:
13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel:
14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.
15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;
16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?


Then the verse where you could become a slave for life by your own choice if you love a slave woman and get a hole poked in your ear.

Deuteronomy 15:15 *And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.
16 *And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee;
17 *Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.
 
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carpetmanswife

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how can slavery ever be right???
 
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Harley_Angel

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If the alternative is starvation and death, why not give them work and pay them so they can feed themselves? Why keep them as slaves?
 
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Mal316

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As Harley_Angel said, why not give them work and pay them so they can feed themselves?

The Bible teaches us not to reap all the way to the corners of our fields nor gather the gleanings of our harvest but to leave them for the poor and the stranger. Lev 19:9; 23:22. Why? To let them earn their food by working for it.

Slavery in terms of people being in bondage to other people is bad. Slavery in terms of being in bondage to sin is bad.

Slavery in terms of being a servant of God, that I think is good. I don't know if it's easy, but it's certainly preferrable to the other forms of slavery mentioned.

Something to note about the words "slave" and "servant" in the Bible. In Hebrew, they are the same word, "eved."

Moses was called eved Adonai (servant of the Lord) Deut 34:5. God says that the Israelites are His avadim (servants). Lev 25:55. And on the other hand, Egypt is called the beit avadim (house of bondage) Exodus 20:2.
 
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forgivenandloved

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People commonly think of slavery as a crime, and much of it is but sometimes the alternative is starvation or death. any comments?
Well, people should have a choice to whether they starve or not :)
 
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People commonly think of slavery as a crime, and much of it is but sometimes the alternative is starvation or death. any comments?
i dont think people come up and say "hi i wana be your slave" slaves are people force to work against thier will and are given no rights if i would rebel and try and escape or at least die trying
 
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giantone

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Heres some directives for slaves and there masters in the New Testament:

Colossians 3:22 *Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:
23 *And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
24 *Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
25 *But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

Colossians 4:1 *¶Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.


It doesn't say get rid of your slaves.
 
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giantone

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Slave from Col. 3:22
doulos -- pronounced: doo'-los

from 1210; a slave (literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency): KJV -- bond(-man), servant.
 
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