Is it really important to tithe!

[Pudding]

Hello Folks!
Can anyone quote me the relevant verses in the bible about the Tithing (giving 10% of your earnings to God) Is it 10% of my gross or my net income?

The problem is everytime I do my budget my expenses always exceed my income and I have a whole lot of people to support with my salary, doesn't God understand if I don't Tithe?

Please help me make the right decision! Thank you!

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Christians aren't obligated to tithe....so I guess you don't need to worry about it at all. You can't find one new testament scripture that tells Christians to tithe, 'cause that's not for us to do in the new covenant that Jesus established. Just give what you've decided in your heart to give and give cheerfully. Also know that those who give generously will reap generously.

I encourage you to actually study what the new covenant says about giving and you'll have a richer understanding that the few paraphrases I gave you.

 

[greatkraw]

Hello Folks!
Can anyone quote me the relevant verses in the bible about the Tithing (giving 10% of your earnings to God) Is it 10% of my gross or my net income?

The problem is everytime I do my budget my expenses always exceed my income and I have a whole lot of people to support with my salary, doesn't God understand if I don't Tithe?

Please help me make the right decision! Thank you!

you wont find it in the New Testament

and we are no longer under the law

 

[shad]

If you do not believe that tithing is part of the new covenant, what is Jesus talking about in Mt 23:23?

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Can any explain this verse, especially the last part of the verse in bold. What is it that ought to be done and what are they not to leave undone? Does this verse only apply to the Pharisees who are tithing or is there another application?

Tithing was also instituted before the law with Abraham giving a tenth part in Gen 14:20. Perhaps someone would like to explain Heb 7.

Is there anything that was brought over from the old covenant that was reinstated into the new covenant? Was the covenant that was made with Abraham according to promise disannulled? Have any of the promises given to Abraham been disannulled? Was tithing part of the covenant made with Abraham where tithing was instituted? Did the priesthood of Melchesidec, that a tenth part (tithe) was given, dissolve or is that priesthood still active in Heb 7?

 

[carpetmanswife]

Hello Folks!
Can anyone quote me the relevant verses in the bible about the Tithing (giving 10% of your earnings to God) Is it 10% of my gross or my net income?

The problem is everytime I do my budget my expenses always exceed my income and I have a whole lot of people to support with my salary, doesn't God understand if I don't Tithe?

Please help me make the right decision! Thank you!

To answer this question , your answer will be... Depends on who you ask...sorry

 

[phil36]

If you do not believe that tithing is part of the new covenant, what is Jesus talking about in Mt 23:23?

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Can any explain this verse, especially the last part of the verse in bold. What is it that ought to be done and what are they not to leave undone? Does this verse only apply to the Pharisees who are tithing or is there another application?

Tithing was also instituted before the law with Abraham giving a tenth part in Gen 14:20. Perhaps someone would like to explain Heb 7.

Is there anything that was brought over from the old covenant that was reinstated into the new covenant? Was the covenant that was made with Abraham according to promise disannulled? Have any of the promises given to Abraham been disannulled? Was tithing part of the covenant made with Abraham where tithing was instituted? Did the priesthood of Melchesidec, that a tenth part (tithe) was given, dissolve or is that priesthood still active in Heb 7?

These are things they are out to have done, first justice etc, then the other, but they didn't do any of it at all, this is not telling Christians to tithe. this is part of a section of woe's to the Pharisees in its contextual totallity (Jesus was talking directly to the Pharisees etc in a past tense 'what they out to have done, but did not do it). Tithing is a matter of the heart for Christians and not a command!
And was tithing really instituted with Abraham? or was it formally ratified within the suzerian covenant arrangement within the sinaic formula?

However, although I believe we are not command, I would postulate we are morally obliged to give to God in thankfullnes for what He has provided ..... the amount is a spiritual matter for those concerned.

Kind regards

Phil

 

[Thaddaeus]

tithing is not important, actually we could say that tithing is not enough, when it comes to giving, under the new covenant, God requires us to love Him with ALL we have, the amazing thing I found about Giving back to the Lord, that has so richly blessed us, is that when we mention giving back to the Lord , that money is the only thing most folks think about, God blessed us, with His Love, we love Him because He first loved us, so let's give Him back some Love, and God gave us a lifetime of time, some folks may get a little more than others, but it is still a lifetime to them, so shouldn't we give back God alot of time. some work two or three jobs, and go to church then give God what is left over( money wise that is). and they feel they have done their part but what about the 2nd Commandment; Love others, even as you have loved yourself, or what about when Jesus said "for whatever you have done unto the least of these, ye have done unto me" some don't work one job and they feel they have nothing to give God, so they volunteer at a local charity for an hour or two a week, and they feel that they have done their part, now there are a few who, money means nothing, and they give above , some have donated a lifetime to serving Him, because after all God has blessed them with money or time, But often I wonder has anyone ever Gave Back tp God the amount of love that we should.

I have to share this story with you all, hope it blesses you as it did me. they were having tents meeting over in Africa , while they were testing the sound system, the singers were practicing, a young girl came in walked up to the front, knelt down and starting praying, someone went over to her, found out that she wanted to Know this Jesus Christ that had been spoken of at these meetings, they showed her some scriptures talked with her and she Gave her life to the Lord, right there before the service even started, she stayed for the service while the offering plates was being passed she started to worry because for the first time in her life she truly wanted to please this God that had cared so much for her. But she had walked to the meetings, she had no money to give, really she didn't even have much that she could sell and bring back tommorrow, So they said that when the plate came to her, she leaned over placed the plate on the ground, and stepped up on the plate and raised her hands toward heaven, now I say to you that even though she had never read the bible from cover to cover , or even been in church all her life, this young lady as a babe in Christ, knew more about giving to God than all the scribes and Pharisees, and even all the Bible scholars of today's time. for she gave all she had with a true and willingly Heart!!!!!!



2co 9:6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.2co 9:7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.2co 9:8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:2co 9:9(As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

 

[Gabriel777]

Tithing was for back then and it was for the Levites. Most preachers today preach tithing to manipulate people and get huge salaries. If they preach tithing they might as well preach circumcision too. We are supposed to give cheerfully and from the heart, not because you're "forced" to and go to hell because you don't.

 

[faithwarrior]

Pudding, tithing is still important today. How else would the house of God needs be met? He only ask for 10%.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The apostles asked for no money.

 

[loveschild]

Don't listen to the anti Christ people. Tithing is very important. Everything is Gods in the first place. You give first back to God. So before you pay your bills give God from the money before taxes. Pretty soon you will see that you will have more money. You can bible gate and find scripture. From beging to end the bible talks about sowing and reaping. God will give you back much more.

 

[MahogonySnail]

If everything is God's, a) why does he need us to give it back, ? and b) in the old testament, tithes WERE taxes, and c), I know plenty of people who dont tithe and have plenty of money, God decides to bless in his goodness, no matter what we do or don't do , and d) re: sowing and reaping, Jesus taught that God provides for those who don't sow:

Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

 

[Browncoat]

Pretty soon you will see that you will have more money.

My family has always done exactly as you and Scripture have said throughout the generations. I myself give G-d 20% of my earnings based on a conviction He gave me.

However, despite this, my family is currently broke. We've lost our car. We can barely afford groceries on a weekly basis, and in one month, we will be homeless.

Following G-d is a great thing, a great blessing. But that does not mean that because you submit your finances to G-d, you will necessarily have more money. It is statements like this that lead people astray, for it is not based in truth.

 

[loveschild]

He doesn't need us to give it back. Its a test to see if your going to be selfish. Its a test to see if you really love others that you would give money to help other people on earth. After all if you don't have love you don't belong to God. Its all a test. Those who give will be blessed back many times over. Those who won't give will be sorry one day.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Pro 13:11 Wealth gotten by vanity shall be taken away, but he who gathers by hand shall increase.

 

[loveschild]

Give with a happy heart!!

 

[Thaddaeus]

]If you do not believe that tithing is part of the new covenant, what is Jesus talking about in Mt 23:23?

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Can any explain this verse, especially the last part of the verse in bold. What is it that ought to be done and what are they not to leave undone? Does this verse only apply to the Pharisees who are tithing or is there another application?

wow Shad I thought you could have figured this one out on your own, Who Is Jesus talking to "You, scribes and Pharisees," those that were under the law

Tithing was also instituted before the law with Abraham giving a tenth part in Gen 14:20. Perhaps someone would like to explain Heb 7.

ok Heb 7:12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

we are no longer under the levitical priesthood which commanded tithe so it : there is made of necessity a change also of the law

no where was it commanded of Abraham to tithe so Abraham would then had to give it willingly, if we are under that same priesthood of Melchesidec, then there is no law to tithe but :


2co 9:7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

If it was still law to give then that would be a necessity to give, if it is a necessity to give then we have a contradiction with your doctrine of tithe and this verse 2 Cor. 9:7

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Is there anything that was brought over from the old covenant that was reinstated into the new covenant? Was the covenant that was made with Abraham according to promise disannulled? Have any of the promises given to Abraham been disannulled? Was tithing part of the covenant made with Abraham where tithing was instituted? Did the priesthood of Melchesidec, that a tenth part (tithe) was given, dissolve or is that priesthood still active in Heb 7?

[/QUOTE]

There is a big difference between a covenant that God has given and be under the law, so was there any practices that were before the law and during the law that we no longer need, for today's church such as Circumcision, tithe, and don't forget keeping the Sabbath, where no work and limited travel was commanded. so three basic biblical principals that were before and during , but we only bring one after the law. the Money one. yeah right!!!!!

Was the covenant that was made with Abraham according to promise disannulled? Have any of the promises given to Abraham been disannulled?

this thought is so cheap i really don't even want to respond, it is almost like saying you can buy salvation with your tithe.

 

[kujo313]

Hello Folks!
Can anyone quote me the relevant verses in the bible about the Tithing (giving 10% of your earnings to God) Is it 10% of my gross or my net income?

The problem is everytime I do my budget my expenses always exceed my income and I have a whole lot of people to support with my salary, doesn't God understand if I don't Tithe?

Please help me make the right decision! Thank you!

Where you go to worship, the bills need to be paid. Heat, electricity, running water, supplies, etc. Where does that money come from?

The Church!

We need to give SOMETHING. Tithing is in the Bible and we could use that as a guide to giving. However, if you can't give 10% for any reason, give SOMETHING! Remember where it's going to.

 

[phil36]

There is a big difference between a covenant that God has given and be under the law, so was there any practices that were before the law and during the law that we no longer need, for today's church such as Circumcision, tithe, and don't forget keeping the Sabbath, where no work and limited travel was commanded. so three basic biblical principals that were before and during , but we only bring one after the law. the Money one. yeah right!!!!!



this thought is so cheap i really don't even want to respond, it is almost like saying you can buy salvation with your tithe.

Good post, thats what I said on my answer to shad. I find people get confused between the Abrahamic covenant(grace) and the sinaic covenant (Law), we are under grace. Paul explains it perfectly in his writings. but hopefully not to confuse the matter even the law was given by grace to the Israelites. But Christians are not under the law or 'works of the law'.

And I totally agree with you that using the law to justify actions as in tithes etc is bring back upon your self a 'works of the law' based ethic of your salvation ... 'if I rebuild what I had torn down' as Paul says.

kind regards

Phil

 

[shad]

Please give an answer as best you can to these questions.

- Is there anything that was brought over from the old covenant that was reinstated into the new covenant?

- Was the covenant that was made with Abraham according to promise disannulled?

- Have any of the promises given to Abraham been disannulled?

- Was tithing part of the covenant made with Abraham where tithing was instituted?

- Did the priesthood of Melchesidec, that a tenth part (tithe) was given, dissolve or is that priesthood still active in Heb 7?

- Explain what Heb 7 is teaching? Until we know what this chapter is teaching about tithing (along with the other scriptures), how can we have a sound mind and good understanding of the believer's relationship to tithing?

VW ~ What does the Spirit tell you about tithing for the believer in the church and what does the Spirit base His revelation upon concerning what the scriptures have to say? As a side note, I am sure that you will be able to use your good hand for typing what's on your heart, it just might have to be in a condensed version and shortened a little, but you will make it. I am glad to hear that it is going to heal without complications.

From an angry brother that hates sin and a backbiting tongue, that eshews evil but loves righteousness, who is not perfect but going onto perfection through grace and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and being filled with the Spirit.