Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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KennethC

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>>>>>....guess what these practices were adopted and still are used today..............gods wisdom who knew.<<<<

EXACTLY... gets kinda tiresome how people hold to "god just arbitrarily forbade such and such has no relevance today... we have the new covenant!!!":(
Yes those that eat should not hold it against those who don't as if it is wrong, as well as those who don't should not hold it against those who do as if that is wrong.

1 Corinthians 8:8 should some this up for all believers to stop this debating and arguing on rather you can eat it or not !!!
 
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BarlyGurl

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Yes those that eat should not hold it against those who don't as if it is wrong, as well as those who don't should not hold it against those who do as if that is wrong.

1 Corinthians 8:8 should some this up for all believers to stop this debating and arguing on rather you can eat it or not !!!
You seem a little tense... here.... Have some bacon.:)
 
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pottersclay

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one thing I did learn is " da baby gurl know her chickens " pass me another wing.
 

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In the latter times, some would depart from the faith teaching...1Tim 4 ...abstanation from foods which God has created to be received with thanksgiving....for every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving. For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

This Noahdic covenant was for all of mankind which was gentile. Jacob became Israel and his descendants the nation of Israel through which God gave His law by Moses including the dietary laws which were for the 'called out' nation of Israel only!

So pass me another cat fish filet heavily wrapped in bacon strips. Ummm!
 

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In the latter times, some would depart from the faith teaching...1Tim 4 ...abstanation from foods which God has created to be received with thanksgiving....for every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving. For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

This Noahdic covenant was for all of mankind which was gentile. Jacob became Israel and his descendants the nation of Israel through which God gave His law by Moses including the dietary laws which were for the 'called out' nation of Israel only!

So pass me another cat fish filet heavily wrapped in bacon strips. Ummm!
and why folks cannot understand this is beyond me. by the way,catfish sounds pretty good.
 

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and why folks cannot understand this is beyond me. by the way,catfish sounds pretty good.
gb it's because so precious saints are being lie to on so many issues from the pulpit that they are in the bondage of fear. Vexed and just plain ole churched to death. I feel sorry for them.
 
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Galahad

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Mark 7:19
because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

I don't really understand why, but there seems to be some kind of connection between the uncleanness of food (given in the Law) and the uncleanness of Gentiles (those that are not descended from Israel). The dream is duel in meaning, in my opinion, and shows that both Gentiles were to be accepted as children of God AND that the animals were no longer unclean.

You can chose not to eat anything that was declared unclean under the Law, but you should understand that we are under a new covenant.
Timeline this is an excellent response. Just remembered REP, which is on the way after I type this.

The only thought I would bring to your response would be the vision and the Gentiles are to show the totality of God making all things common. The implications of which are numerous, too many to list.

 
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[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean(Acts 10:28).

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him(Acts 10:34-35).

The vision that Peter received from God was to show him that the Gentiles were also offered salvation,and Peter was sent to expound the truth to Cornelius,and his household.

And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them(Acts 11:1-4).

Peter ate food with the uncircumcised men who were Gentiles,which this might have a dual meaning,because they might of ate something that was unclean to the Jews in the Old Testament,but in the New Testament it is alright to eat,because God did away with the law of unclean meats,because it is spiritual in the New Testament.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).

Jesus took the physical ordiances of Israel,and nailed them to His cross,and took them out of the way,and then says because of that let no man judge you in meats,whch means they cannot tell you what to eat,and what not to eat.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).

God warns us that in the latter times some people will depart from the truth of the Bible,Christianity,and command people not to eat meat,but God said,every creature of God is good,and nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanksgiving,for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

So God said you can eat whatever you want to eat in the New Testament,and the reason these people that do not hold the truth of the Bible is because they interpret the scriptures according to the occult,and are nature worshippers,so they believe in being a vegetarian,which these people will quote a Bible verse,and talk about the occult in the same sentence.
 

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It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

^i^ responding to OP
 

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http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/105746-dietary-law-22.html

There isn't much to say more than what we did there in this topic.

Just looking at what God permitted Noah to eat
before even Abraham was born ought to tell you what God thinks about the healthiness of any food. There was no prohibition other than blood. All else was permitted. But to mark the covenant between the Hebrew tribes and God, certain foods the gentiles favored were set off limits. Even so, the law permitted Israel to eat "unclean" meat when journeying through hostile territory conquering Canaan. As a commanded religious practice on the order of male circumcision the tribes of Israel were required to resume those ritualistic prohibitions ASAP.

If God had prohibited pork because it was dangerous, then why would he have ever permitted it?

These days it's a lot less hazardous than beef, which carries a few deadly diseases, while pork doesn't if produced under standards such as in the USA. China imports the far cleaner USA pork rather than promote their own pork.

If you are Jewish, then don't let a gentile persuade you to violate your conscience. But if you are a gentile, Christian or not, you are not bound to the old covenant of prohibitions against foods unless at a table of Jews or someone who would be horribly offended by your eating something he thinks is damnable, like if he thinks the meat might have come off the altar of a pagan idol.
 
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KennethC

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In the latter times, some would depart from the faith teaching...1Tim 4 ...abstanation from foods which God has created to be received with thanksgiving....for every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving. For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

This Noahdic covenant was for all of mankind which was gentile. Jacob became Israel and his descendants the nation of Israel through which God gave His law by Moses including the dietary laws which were for the 'called out' nation of Israel only!

So pass me another cat fish filet heavily wrapped in bacon strips. Ummm!
and why folks cannot understand this is beyond me. by the way,catfish sounds pretty good.
Here I have the catfish:

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pottersclay

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​now striper is the way to go....but them cats sure do fight.
 
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Notice Genesis 7:2 (KJV) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Noah knew about "clean/unclean", and probably that goes all the way back to Abel's sacrifice that pleased God. Before the flood extra clean animals were taken aboard the ark for sacrifices and food, while unclean were taken one pair each kind obviously to reproduce before eating. God defined clean and unclean in the law, but made it clear, only clean animals could be used for sacrifice. But before the law God awarded Noah unrestricted access to clean and unclean animals for food, which permission applied to all gentiles of all generations. so the only issue h=through the ages can

Since the majority of people on the planet were blessed to eat anything but blood, that was a confirmation that everythng God created was as he declared "Good". There was nothing bad about anything he created.

I am a gentile Christian, permitted to eat whatever except blood or things offered to idols, even though we know from Paul there's nothing spooky about meat associated with an idol might hurt us in any way. Our issue is to prevent offense to someone watching us eat something like pork, it being highly unlikely we would have any near us thinking about idol worship as in ancient days.

Jews I know don't express offense over such things today, shopping the same grocery stores, the beef kept in a section right next to the pork. They simply decline to pick a pork product up.

Umm, that looks like a flathead there, Kenneth. Best taste. They eat live critters and taste sweet and clean. I set out anchored jugs over deep holes below dams at low or no flow year around, bring in a limit easily. If it swims, flies, runs or crawls I'll get it on the table.

 
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KennethC

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Catfish. Meow.

Try Largemouth Bass, Sea Bass, Sockeye Salmon. Those are fish.

Catfish. Nope. :eek:

Nice catch Kenneth.
You said you wanted bass:

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Jesus4ever

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Well, I´m a gentile christian too, that used to eat pork, octopus, rabbit and snails (a great snack here, in Portugal :D). However, this matter came to my mind some months ago and, to be honest, since I was not sure what to do (and I´m not sure, still), I simply avoided eating those (specially pork). Better not to do something that I´m not sure if I can in God´s eyes. I know that most christian denominations do not follow dietetic law (I even though that JW did follow it), and I also knew that Seventh Day Adventist Church do follow it, and don´t drink any kind of beverages also.

To be honest...do I think that I lose anything by not eating pork? No, I don´t. It´s not a healthy meat. I´ll keep praying in order to be clarified by the Lord regarding this matter.


God bless you!
 

Jesus4ever

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It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

^i^ responding to OP
Thank you for the link, brother.

I though we should keep the moral law...! Are you saying you should not obey the Law?


God bless you!
 
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Galahad

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Thank you for the link, brother.

I though we should keep the moral law...! Are you saying you should not obey the Law?


God bless you!
Love4ever,
I don't if you've already been guided or directed to read 1 Corinthians 8. There the apostle Paul says that the eating of meat is neutral. That is just eating pork or hamburger, there is no sin in that. Now, if you don't eat meat. There is no sin.

Here's is verse 8 of that chapter But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Hopes this helps.
 
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KennethC

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Well, I´m a gentile christian too, that used to eat pork, octopus, rabbit and snails (a great snack here, in Portugal :D). However, this matter came to my mind some months ago and, to be honest, since I was not sure what to do (and I´m not sure, still), I simply avoided eating those (specially pork). Better not to do something that I´m not sure if I can in God´s eyes. I know that most christian denominations do not follow dietetic law (I even though that JW did follow it), and I also knew that Seventh Day Adventist Church do follow it, and don´t drink any kind of beverages also.

To be honest...do I think that I lose anything by not eating pork? No, I don´t. It´s not a healthy meat. I´ll keep praying in order to be clarified by the Lord regarding this matter.


God bless you!

Just remember from here on out it is your choice, if you choose to eat those things or not eat those things it will not make you no lesser of a believer in Christ then any other believer. For food does not commend us to the Lord, or make one an unbeliever rather they eat or not.

Remember though also there is another standard though that goes along with this, and that is if your choice could cause another believer to stumble by second guessing the way they are walking in the faith. We are told to refrain from doing those things in front of them !!!
 

Jesus4ever

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Love4ever,
I don't if you've already been guided or directed to read 1 Corinthians 8. There the apostle Paul says that the eating of meat is neutral. That is just eating pork or hamburger, there is no sin in that. Now, if you don't eat meat. There is no sin.

Here's is verse 8 of that chapter But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Hopes this helps.
LOVE4ever! :D Nice one! :)

When I wrote "not to obey/follow the Law", I was referring to the Mosaic Law...

Do you think we shouldn´t follow them (apart the 4th commandment)?