Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

What then, that negates His statement about what goes into the mouth? When Jesus said "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man" now follow me here, he was talking about that which goes into the mouth.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

Is this about washing of hands, or is that particular verse about things that go into the mouth and comes out as poop? i assure you Jesus was plainly talking about FOOD in this particular verse.

Mat_15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Mat_15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

It is True the Pharisees accused Jesus of sinning because His Disciples did not wash their hands before they ate, this is True, Jesus plainly pointed out that FOOD going into a person is not what defiles that person, because Jesus plainly taught that it is NOT that which goes into the mouth that defiles a person. But what says this generation? They teach certain food do defile a person, which teaching is contrary to Word of Jesus Christ Himself. Is this generation still without understanding, it is NOT what goes into a persons mouth that defiles a person, NOT!!!

Mar_7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

So then in regards to food, it does not matter what a person eats, it's called the Law of Liberty. But if a person desires to be under bondage to "Eat this" or "Eat that" or "Don't eat this" or "Don't eat that" let them be, they are weak in the faith and do not understand the Truth, nor what it means to be free of bondage.

Mar_7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

i can eat all things in Jesus Christ, because my Lord and Savior plainly teaches what goes into the mouth is not what defiles a person. And the Disciple also taught we can eat all things with thanksgiving. But woe to those who teach others Do's And Don'ts concerning eating of FOOD, trying to put those who are Free, under the yoke of bondage, Eat this, Eat that, Don't eat this, Don't eat that. How are they different than the Pharisees of the past.

Biblelogic01 said:

Says you. But Jesus plainly told us that it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, this is directly related to FOOD, regardless if you believe that or not. Tell me explain this verse to me and what Jesus meant by saying it.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

What is Jesus talking about here, what can possibly entereth in at the mouth? What is He possibly talking about that goes into the belly? What is He talking about that is cast out into the draught? If it is not Food, or about Food, then please tell us what YOU THINK He is talking about.

Biblelogic01 said:

The Pharisees accused this of Jesus Disciples because they did not wash their hands, therefore because of the dirty hand the food was contaminated, no matter what it was. True it was a tradition that the Pharisee started. You see the Pharisees were big on what was clean and unclean to eat. They even made it so if a person did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD, that they ate that which was UNCLEAN. Jesus plainly pointed out to them, that NO FOOD entering into a body makes the person defiled (unclean) That it is not about what is eaten. The whole ordeal about not washing before they ate, was about FOOD. They did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD. Now you can say and teach it was all about the washing of the hands, but we who are of the Truth knows it is about the FOOD they ate.

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DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

KohenMatt said:

We are not under the Law, none of them, either have to do them, or bound to do them. The Old Covenant is about LAWS (Do's and Don'ts) The New Covenant is about LOVE (Love one another)

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Yonah · Oct 9, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

it amazes me how many choose to quote this text either incomplete or out of context or both, if what you say is true (and its not) not according to scripture anyway, then it would not be needed to make the choice to leave out the part of this chapter that clearly explains the visions purpose, Act 10:19
While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20
Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
Act 10:21
Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
Also in this chapter the purpose of the vision is once again explained: acts chapter 11 it seems to me that many twist the meaning of this vision top fit a mistaken belief that the Father would abrogate his own law, this is not only false but dangerous, the scripture clearly teaches he changes not, yet many choose to not only believe He does change but go so far as to try to teach others he does. if its out of context its a pretext. the scripture is truth not tailored to fit mans own theology. I mean no offense by replying in this manner but rather to urge others to study this out for themselves and make up their own mind. (Proverbs 18:13)

DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

DP said:

ANYTHING, that you eat in excess is bad for you, and should not be done, except if it is water. Yes there are many things that is bad for you, salt, caffeine, soda, coffee, fast foods, and the such. Eating poison ivy in a salad is probably bad for you as well. But if i choose to eat poison ivy in the name of Jesus Christ, is it wrong? is it evil? is it UNCLEAN?

Those who want to be under the law, will be judged by the Law. Those who eat their food according to dietary laws of Moses, will also be judged by the ALL the laws of Moses. Those who believe the teachings of Jesus and the Disciples can eat all things, and are not under the Law, but the law of liberty. They are free to eat whatsoever they desire, and it is NOT sinful, or wrong to do so. If i eat a Big Mac it is not wrong, or sinful to do so. And if i eat Big Macs every day for Breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and end up dying of a heart attack, i still did not do WRONG or commit sin by eating Big Macs, i only suffered the consequences of eating in excess. It is considered clean to eat fully cooked meat, but if i eat meat for Breakfast, lunch, and dinner every single day for many years, i too can die from that, it was done in excess. If i choose to eat salt, it is not sinful, nor is it wrong to do so. But if i eat salt in excess, i could die as a result of doing that as well. It is not what food goes into the mouth that is wrong or sinful, for a Christian can eat all things with thanksgiving in the name of Jesus Christ. But anything, even if it is clean, done in excess is not good for the Body, and the consequences thereof, is a result of that excess.

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DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

Ahwatukee said:

The point is, under the covenant of salvation by grace through faith, if your faith allows you to eat anything and everything, then nothing is to be refused if it be received by prayer and thanksgiving. On the other hand, If a believer wants to abstain from certain foods, for whatever reason, then they are free to do so.

The problem comes when believers abstain from those foods as observing the law as works for salvation. Here is what Paul said regarding the issue of the food law:

"I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. (Rom.14:14)

"Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble." (Rom.14:20)

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Col.2:16)

Paul was of course speaking about those whose faith allows them to eat anything and that they should not eat anything that would cause a believer who is weaker in faith to stumble. In the process, he makes it clear that no food is unclean and that because it belonged to the covenant of the law. Therefore, regardless of health reasons and the like, we who are under grace are free to eat whatever our faith allows us to and that with God's blessing.

Scriptures says it all, Thank you Brother. To Bad we live in a generation that does not believe the Scriptures.

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KennethC · Oct 9, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

Yes and no about your response, because the Apostles Paul, Peter, James, and John all 4 showed in the new covenant the way believers can and can not walk.

Walking by the flesh still bounds one under the law and sold under sin as Paul states, but walking by the Spirit (fruit of the Spirit) leads to eternal life through the Lord.

There is still a way to walk and not walk in the new covenant !!!

Yonah said:

The purpose of this passage is that the Lord has made all things He deemed unclean clean, and we can not just limit this to talking about just Gentiles now being clean to the Jews.

The reason is because in other scriptures of the NT it says to eat whatever is sold or served asking no questions, and in Timothy Paul says part of apostasy(false) teaching is restraining people from eating foods.

There is multiple places that shows the written ordinances of the Mosaic law are not for new covenant believers, what they say it says only to those who are under the law (Romans 3:19).

We are not under the law, for we are under grace !!!

DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

DP said:

Well i see how you managed to interpret this verse to fit your own belief, how will you interpret all the other verses which plainly teach we can eat all things. YOu can't pick and choose which verses you will believe in, and which ones you will not. Woe to this generation for they have altogether forgotten Interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN. Why men should not interpret the Word of God? for answer read above.

Scriptures interprets Scriptures, do not believe ANY man who interprets the Word of God for themselves.

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DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

Originally Posted by DP

I don't know how many times I've heard brethren misinterpret what Apostle Paul said in 1 Timothy 4 about meats, mainly because they like to leave out a very important conditional phrase that Paul stated:

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

Most brethren will pass over that "created to be received" phrase and quote verse 4 only.

In that phrase, "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving...", what role does that word "with" serve in grammar? It's a conjunction that joins different objects. Thus "...meats, which God hath created to be received" is a separate object in that statement, even though God also commanded that those meats be received with thanksgiving.

So what meats per the Old Testament did God specifically create for us to receive? See Deuteronomy 14 for the list.

So Apostle Paul was definitely NOT... saying it's OK to just eat any little ole' thing your heart desires, as long as you give thanks over it. For this reason, many brethren are sick from eating unhealthy foods.

Jayoish said:

DP, now you should understand why you should re-evaluate what you think is the Truth. No offense Javoish, but you do not know the Bible at all. Have you even read it one time completely?

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DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

Yonah said:

lol, i think you are confusing me with someone else. Please reread what i wrote above, that has NOTHING to do with the vision of Peter, now does it? But EVERYTHING to do with the comment Jesus Christ Himself said, concerning that which goes into the mouth, into the belly, and into the drought. Nothing i have said above has anything to do with the vision of Peter.

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DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

KennethC said:

Believers can walk in Loving one another, and they can't walk in NOT loving one another, this is still all about Love one another under the New covenant, whether you do or do not, it is still about LOVE ONE ANOTHER. The things you CAN do, is LOVE ONE ANOTHER, the things you can't do, is Failing to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

KennethC said:

Those who walk by the spirit mind the things of the spirit. Those who walk in the flesh, are not being led by the Spirit..

Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Woe to them who say they ARE in Christ Jesus, yet DO walk after the flesh.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

SHALL NOT fulfil the lust of the flesh, i believe this might be the most overlooked verse among those who profess to be Christian in this generation. Notice it does not say TRY NOT to, but plainly teaches "SHALL NOT FULFIL THE LUST OF THE FLESH" i know what this generation will do with this verse, they will now take it to the Hebrew or Greek and try to find some way to change the verse to means something other than what it says, or, they will go to the verses or the chapter itself and say that verse taken alone is taking it out of context, altogether not having to believe the verse and what it teaches..

Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Those who walk in the flesh, are NOT walking in the Spirit. Scriptures plainly and clearly teaches Christians to NOT obey the flesh and its desires. Woe to them who claim to be walking in the Spirit all the while obeying the flesh. Those who continue to obey the flesh, are NOT walking in the Spirit, Those who continue to sow to their flesh are storing up corruption for themselves when the Hour of Temptation comes upon the Earth.

KennethC said:

You are either walking in the Spirit or you are walking in the flesh.
You are either Loving one another, or you are NOT loving one another.
You are either on the narrow and difficult path, or you are on the broad and wide path, saying it is the narrow path.
You are either a Good Tree, or a bad tree (depends on your fruits)
You are either a New Man (no longer doing the deeds of the old man), or you CLAIM to be a new man, all the while continuing to do the deeds of the old man.
You are either Righteous, or Unrighteous
You are either Holy, or unholy.
There is no way to walk and not walk at the same time, you are either doing one or the other, but NEVER both.

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Biblelogic01 · Oct 9, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

What then, that negates His statement about what goes into the mouth? When Jesus said "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man" now follow me here, he was talking about that which goes into the mouth.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

Is this about washing of hands, or is that particular verse about things that go into the mouth and comes out as poop? i assure you Jesus was plainly talking about FOOD in this particular verse.

Mat_15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Mat_15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

It is True the Pharisees accused Jesus of sinning because His Disciples did not wash their hands before they ate, this is True, Jesus plainly pointed out that FOOD going into a person is not what defiles that person, because Jesus plainly taught that it is NOT that which goes into the mouth that defiles a person. But what says this generation? They teach certain food do defile a person, which teaching is contrary to Word of Jesus Christ Himself. Is this generation still without understanding, it is NOT what goes into a persons mouth that defiles a person, NOT!!!

Mar_7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

So then in regards to food, it does not matter what a person eats, it's called the Law of Liberty. But if a person desires to be under bondage to "Eat this" or "Eat that" or "Don't eat this" or "Don't eat that" let them be, they are weak in the faith and do not understand the Truth, nor what it means to be free of bondage.

Mar_7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

i can eat all things in Jesus Christ, because my Lord and Savior plainly teaches what goes into the mouth is not what defiles a person. And the Disciple also taught we can eat all things with thanksgiving. But woe to those who teach others Do's And Don'ts concerning eating of FOOD, trying to put those who are Free, under the yoke of bondage, Eat this, Eat that, Don't eat this, Don't eat that. How are they different than the Pharisees of the past.

Says you. But Jesus plainly told us that it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, this is directly related to FOOD, regardless if you believe that or not. Tell me explain this verse to me and what Jesus meant by saying it.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

What is Jesus talking about here, what can possibly entereth in at the mouth? What is He possibly talking about that goes into the belly? What is He talking about that is cast out into the draught? If it is not Food, or about Food, then please tell us what YOU THINK He is talking about.

The Pharisees accused this of Jesus Disciples because they did not wash their hands, therefore because of the dirty hand the food was contaminated, no matter what it was. True it was a tradition that the Pharisee started. You see the Pharisees were big on what was clean and unclean to eat. They even made it so if a person did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD, that they ate that which was UNCLEAN. Jesus plainly pointed out to them, that NO FOOD entering into a body makes the person defiled (unclean) That it is not about what is eaten. The whole ordeal about not washing before they ate, was about FOOD. They did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD. Now you can say and teach it was all about the washing of the hands, but we who are of the Truth knows it is about the FOOD they ate.

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Ok so even though food is not mention, Jesus just skipped to talking about food and completely change the subject?

No Jesus' response was directly when the Pharisees comment towards the washing of hands, which by the way the Pharisees only accused the disciples of this, not Jesus Himself. So based off of that, I would assume Jesus did was His hands.

Read the verse, they're talking about washing hands, only mention of food is they were about eat and that it.

It would make no sense at all for Jesus to change the subject to food.
You want to know why?
Because He's are a Pharisee's home.
You're not going to find unclean food in a Pharisees home.
So it to be about food that would mean you saying Jesus wanted to change the whole topic, to a topic that doesn't even make sense for the situation.

Biblelogic01 · Oct 9, 2015

The Pharisees accused this of Jesus Disciples because they did not wash their hands, therefore because of the dirty hand the food was contaminated, no matter what it was. True it was a tradition that the Pharisee started. You see the Pharisees were big on what was clean and unclean to eat. They even made it so if a person did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD, that they ate that which was UNCLEAN. Jesus plainly pointed out to them, that NO FOOD entering into a body makes the person defiled (unclean) That it is not about what is eaten. The whole ordeal about not washing before they ate, was about FOOD. They did not wash their hands before they ate FOOD. Now you can say and teach it was all about the washing of the hands, but we who are of the Truth knows it is about the FOOD they ate.

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And to this part, as far as the washing of hands. The Pharisees didn't add this in just because they were so bent on eating clean.

There is an actual command in the Torah that goes over the washing of hands, which pertains to when serving in the temple or tabernacle.
The elders of the Pharisees add and took it to another level, which is what Jesus was teaching against.
Taking the commandments and then adding to them, which is what the Pharisees were doing.

DiscipleDave · Oct 9, 2015

Biblelogic01 said:

Are you being serious right now? Pay attention to the verse and what it says.

Mat_15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Mar_7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mar_7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

All these verses are about EATING, they did not wash their hands before they ATE FOOD. Are you being serious? and do not understand that? You act as if it is ALL about washing of the hands, and had nothing to do with Food, as you have commented, yet it had everything to do with them EATING FOOD with unwashed hands. It was not about the washing, it was about the eating of the Food with unwashed hands. That is why Jesus plainly taught them, it is not what goes into the mouth, into the belly, into the toilet, that defiles a person. it was ALL about the FOOD.

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Kaycie · Oct 9, 2015

It means exactly what it says- do not call unclean what God has made clean- whether it be pork or the gentile people. You see, the things that were done in the old t were done physically, and they represented the things in the new t that are now done spiritually. God even foretold that there would come a day when whatever we eat will not be religiously wrong. (Read Genesis 9:3). Jesus says whatever goes into a man does not make him unclean (spiritually speaking). It is what comes out of a man that can make him unclean- like disobedience to God, filthy language, hatred, etc- spiritual things, not physical things. Pork is unhealthy, but it doesn't effect your soul, only your body. But to eat it so much that it makes you obese, that becomes a spiritual issue because you are being controlled by an addiction, and harming your body- which is God's temple.

MarcR · Oct 10, 2015

While I believe that Ac 10:9-22 is more concerned with acceptance of a Gentile believer than with food; however,
1Tim 4:1-5 definitely and clearly addresses the food issue exhaustively.

Biblelogic01 · Oct 12, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

Lol, I didn't know bread was ever claims to be unclean.
Doesn't mention that once as far as what's clean and unclean to it.
So again, your stating Jesus is talking about something off topic of what the Pharisees were having an issue with.

I've studied the Pharisees, and their traditions and why Jesus taught against them and what not.
Pharisees had legalized and made washing hands before everything a man made tradition.
Jesus was teaching against this man made tradation, hence Jesus states, "holding the tradition of the elders."
Eating bread was not a tradition of elders, it was simply eating a meal.
Where as the washing of hands was a tradition of the elders.

And again, it wouldn't make sense because Pharisees ate KOSHER or CLEAN.
So Jesus mentioning eating unclean foods wouldn't make sense, because there was no unclean food presented.
Only thing present that the Pharisees had issue with, was Jesus' disciples not washing their hands.

On top of that, for Jesus to fullfil all of the Torah, He would not be allowed to speak against it.
It states in Torah to not add, or take away.
So for Jesus to fullfil this, Jesus could not add or take away.
So again, it wouldn't make sense for Jesus to comment on food.

DP · Oct 12, 2015

MarcR said:

I think you might want to look more closely at that 1 Tim.4 Scripture...

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

Which meats did God originally create 'to be received with thanksgiving'??

The list is in Deuteronomy 14.

I realize a lot of preachers simply jump to that 1 Tim.4:4-5 section of verses while passing over that clause in bold there. By doing that jumping they are taking away from God's Word.

The better NT example is what Paul taught in Corinthians. In 1 Cor.10, Paul said whatever is sold in the 'shambles' (market), that eat, asking no questions. Then he taught that if the non-believer invites us to dinner, eat whatever is put before us, asking no questions. But if the non-believer tells us the food has been sacrificed to idols, then Paul said don't eat it.

The matter of God's list of clean and unclean meats was indeed given to Israel as part of the old covenant. But the issue of clean vs. unclean meats was about eating meats that are not harmful to our flesh body.

The unclean list of meats are mainly about scavenger animals that God created to cleanse the earth. The clean list are not scavengers. So this is actually a matter of natural law according to how God made His creation for this world.

I love crab legs, shrimp, and lobster, i.e., shellfish, but I know it will drive my cholesterol level up, clogging my arteries. Yet the seafood God created to be received (fish with scales) does just the opposite, actually reduces the cholesterol level in our body. So is that natural science based on God's creation, or is it religious practice?

Animals like beef cows are on the clean list, because they eat and process grains and not meat. The Mad Cow disease that began a while back in Britain happened because those in ignorance to God's laws were adding meat products in with the cow's feed grain.

ember · Oct 12, 2015

Jesus4ever said:

Hi, dear brethren.

Yesterday I was reading Acts. In chapter 10, from verses 9 to 15 we have:

"[SUP]9[/SUP]On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:[SUP]10[/SUP] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[SUP]11[/SUP] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12[/SUP] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13[/SUP] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14[/SUP] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15[/SUP] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." (KJB)

All I want is to do God´s will, as I´ve been avoiding pork, etc. However, these verses and others through the NT seem to point that dietetic laws no longer apply.

Thoughts regarding these verses in Acts?

God bless you all, dear brethren!

"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." Matthew 15:11

Now if someone wants to address diet or health issues, that's a whole other topic...but should not be confused with Peter's vision

DP · Oct 12, 2015

The food situation in the U.S. is really, really bad.

Because of greed of filthy lucre (money), the greedy producers and growers are adding growth hormone to animals like chicken, heavy doses of antibiotics, etc. Vegetables are being genetically modified, natural vitamins removed from gains like wheat, and chemical preservatives and substitutes created in a chemistry lab.

I recall buying an orange drink at a gas station while on a trip once. I read the contents thinking it had to have some orange juice in it, and it did not. It was made up of all artificial flavoring chemicals.

The advertising industry has duped many people into accepting artificial products they call food based on 'image' instead of actual content. And advertising is a billion dollar industry.

I don't know how it is there now, but when I was in southern Europe many years ago, I don't recall seeing many freezers or TV dinners. The food was fresh like in the old days of America, meats freshly slaughtered, bread baked daily with stone-ground wheat that kept all its vitamins instead of American refined flour processing that loses vitamins, and even the milk still contained a lot of cream, very rich. A salad was standard for dinner meals, with leafy lettuce only (very healthy), and only one choice for salad dressing, olive oil and vinegar, which is very healthy. Families would buy their food daily for the daily meals, so that kept the demand for flesh food going. You didn't see a bunch of candy and processed food machines either. Instead the old pastry shop was the main source for deserts, freshly made, and without preservatives and without artificial flavoring chemicals.

I even recall going into a Burger King in Madrid in the '70's which had the standard hard booth table and seats, but a small half-bar around two walls where you could stand up and eat. I saw all these teenagers sitting in all the booths not eating anything, and only a couple even had a drink. But along the stand up bar, there were a few eating a burger. I didn't understand this at first, but it became obvious after a while once I understood their fork rating system for restaurants. The food served in the majority of Madrid restaurants was so fresh and of good quality that fast-food joints like Burger King and McDonalds were treated as 'hang-outs', not real restaurants. Those fast-food burgers were expensive too. For a price of a Burger King burger meal you could go next door to a one fork restaurant and eat like a king.

The people rated the restaurants too, not bureaucrats. Spain had a book called the book of reclamations you could ask for and write good or bad remarks in it based on the food, service, cleanliness, etc., of the restaurant. The Guardia Civil would come in and read from the book once a month and give that restaurant its fork rating (five forks was the best). You could go into a one fork restaurant that had bare concrete floors (but clean and sealed) and old '50's style tables and chairs, and still the quality of the food and service and cleanliness would be on par with some of the most expensive restaurants in America. The people simply didn't allow bad service or food quality, and the rating system helped make sure of it, as they were expected to speak up to the waiter about any problem also.

But here in the U.S., you can't always be sure of the quality of food you're getting (a recent court case revealed MacDonalds only puts about 12% actual beef in their burgers, the rest added is artificial). And you risk them doing something to your food if you complain when something isn't right. Only the more expensive restaurants in the U.S., and maybe honorable family-owned establishments, are we able to trust more as to quality.

DP · Oct 12, 2015

ember said:

True.

But it still does not mean Peter's vision means it's now healthy to eat animal meats that are scavengers God created to cleanse the earth.

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