Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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Jesus4ever

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Galahad

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Peter explains the meaning of the vision. You ought to keep reading. Really. It has to do with the Cornelius/Gentiles and the gospel.

Just keep reading. I think Peter's explanation is in chapter 11.

If you do, and still don't understand, let it be known. Myself and many others will assist.
 

oldhermit

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The never applied to anyone but the Jews who were under the Law. Those laws were all part of a law system that in no longer binding on anyone.
 
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It's curious the church I have attended and even here on CC keep pointing to these chapters Acts 9-12. The stone church I went to their teacher I deemed quite good, a very knowledgeable man. Shocking though he hath announced at the end of Sunday's lesson to step down as teacher because of "polity" within that church. Nevertheless his interpretation was the one I had all ready agreed on before I stepped into their church. It is essentially that the dream is a symbol of the Gentiles to now be grafted into Israel, into one Christianity as indicated by the overall story directly of what the apostles were doing in those chapters, visiting Cornelius and such and the first spreading of the good news about Jesus to the four winds of the earth.

As far as eating animals though, aye, it is even literal also it seems to me. What be ye and what be me by race? Are we Hebrews? Nay, probably not. Though at this point it's possible by the way of the mixture of races throughout 2000 some years lol. Nevertheless let no one judge you on things you eat and drink as Paul say in Colossians 2:16, and as an overall theme in the chapter.
 

Timeline

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Mark 7:19
because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

I don't really understand why, but there seems to be some kind of connection between the uncleanness of food (given in the Law) and the uncleanness of Gentiles (those that are not descended from Israel). The dream is duel in meaning, in my opinion, and shows that both Gentiles were to be accepted as children of God AND that the animals were no longer unclean.

You can chose not to eat anything that was declared unclean under the Law, but you should understand that we are under a new covenant.
 
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FreeNChrist

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All I want is to do God´s will, as I´ve been avoiding pork, etc. However, these verses and others through the NT seem to point that dietetic laws no longer apply.
Yes, they no longer apply.
 

Jesus4ever

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One other question:

- Leviticus 11 states that animals like pig, sea food and octopus aren´t clean to eat. We all know what shrimps eat...etc, but how about octopus? What´s the problem with it?

But mainly, the Bible doesn´t prohibit eating chicken and they can even eat human dejects...! Chicken eat almost everything humans give to them...! It´s far from being a "clean" animal...!

Thoughts, brethren?


God bless!
 

Timeline

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I thought the chicken was unclean? I'll hafta check.

...but I get your point.

Goats will eat anything too. I've seen a goat eating a can.
 

oldhermit

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One other question:

- Leviticus 11 states that animals like pig, sea food and octopus aren´t clean to eat. We all know what shrimps eat...etc, but how about octopus? What´s the problem with it?

But mainly, the Bible doesn´t prohibit eating chicken and they can even eat human dejects...! Chicken eat almost everything humans give to them...! It´s far from being a "clean" animal...!

Thoughts, brethren?


God bless!
Octopus have no scales. All scavenger and predatory birds were unclean. Chickens are scavengers so I wonder why chickens were considered clean.
 
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Timeline

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Well, I thought that Leviticus gave reasons why birds were unclean (like it does for animals and fish, but I don't see it). I guess chickens are considered clean.
 
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FreeNChrist

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One other question:

- Leviticus 11 states that animals like pig, sea food and octopus aren´t clean to eat. We all know what shrimps eat...etc, but how about octopus? What´s the problem with it?

But mainly, the Bible doesn´t prohibit eating chicken and they can even eat human dejects...! Chicken eat almost everything humans give to them...! It´s far from being a "clean" animal...!

Thoughts, brethren?


God bless!
There is no "problem" with any of them. They were unclean because God had forbidden them, not because there was anything intrinsically unclean in them. The food laws were given to keep the Jews separate from everyone else, and they served that purpose well.
 

Jesus4ever

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Octopus have no scales. All scavenger and predatory birds were unclean. Chickens are scavengers so I wonder why chickens were considered clean.
Nor fins. Like I said, I can see the shrimp question, as they clean the ocean´s floor, but what´d be the problem eating octopus? Pigs can even eat humans, that´s a fact, but chicken is a puzzle to me. As rabbit, for example, they are white meat..., however, they´re mentioned as unclean.

Guess I´m not supposed to question God´s dietetic laws...:(
 
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What is needful to consider in this scripture, according to its spiritual relevance, and not according to the physical attributes of food we eat, is that Peter didn't go to the house of Cornelius to eat with him. The spiritual relationship has everything to do with the mystery of the gospel that believing Gentiles are grafted into the Kingdom of God along with the believing Jews. Nothing more than that. The law still stands with its original spiritual intent. Nothing has changed with God Almighty.

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." Acts 10:28
 

gb9

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What is needful to consider in this scripture, according to its spiritual relevance, and not according to the physical attributes of food we eat, is that Peter didn't go to the house of Cornelius to eat with him. The spiritual relationship has everything to do with the mystery of the gospel that believing Gentiles are grafted into the Kingdom of God along with the believing Jews. Nothing more than that. The law still stands with its original spiritual intent. Nothing has changed with God Almighty.

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." Acts 10:28
wrong again. O.T. law was fulfilled by Christ. by grace we are saved through faith for good works. not of ourselves, it is a GIFT of God. plain and simple. you just refuse to see it. now if you want to keep the law, go ahead. but has nothing to do with salvation through Christ.
 

gb9

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wrong again. O.T. law was fulfilled by Christ. by grace we are saved through faith for good works. not of ourselves, it is a GIFT of God. plain and simple. you just refuse to see it. now if you want to keep the law, go ahead. but has nothing to do with salvation through Christ.
oh yeah, eat whatever.
 
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What is needful to consider in this scripture, according to its spiritual relevance, and not according to the physical attributes of food we eat, is that Peter didn't go to the house of Cornelius to eat with him. The spiritual relationship has everything to do with the mystery of the gospel that believing Gentiles are grafted into the Kingdom of God along with the believing Jews. Nothing more than that. The law still stands with its original spiritual intent. Nothing has changed with God Almighty.

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." Acts 10:28
Old Covenant, meet New Covenant.
 
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pottersclay

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Just to share some things that I found in a study on the diet and health, and even hygiene laws of Israel.

In the 1940-1950s a study was conducted by the A.M.A. which was prompted by sickness found in certain people and cultures.
The study had concluded that certain foods if not cleaned and cook proper would be harmful and sometimes fatal to ones health. To the surprise of the study these sicknesses were rarely found among the Jewish people and the study had concluded that their diet law was the main reason for this.

The findings above prompted another study about certain diseases and cancer found in women and sometimes men with different cultures.
They were looking for a link to these problems and found once again the Jewish people rarely had these issues.
Upon close examination they found out that the uncircumcised male carried many contributing factors to the health issues found in women of that day.

So to further press in they went to genesis and found that Abraham circumcised on the eighth day according to the Lord chapter 21. There findings were shocking to say the least.
A male child eight days old has a chemical in him that disappears in 24 hrs that helps the blood clot.
It is at its highest level of strength at the 8th day.
Today a male is given a shot to induce this factor and it can be done on day 1 or 2.

Once again a study was done because of infection after surgery to find out why it was so common post surgery.
Their findings were found out to be the washing technique of the doctors were not as proper as once thought.
So the A.M.A. looked at the washing rituals used in the old testament....guess what these practices were adopted and still are used today..............gods wisdom who knew.

It might interest some that the A.M.A. symbol is a serpent on a staff....wonder if Moses got the copy rights?
 

oldhermit

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Nor fins. Like I said, I can see the shrimp question, as they clean the ocean´s floor, but what´d be the problem eating octopus? Pigs can even eat humans, that´s a fact, but chicken is a puzzle to me. As rabbit, for example, they are white meat..., however, they´re mentioned as unclean.

Guess I´m not supposed to question God´s dietetic laws...:(
Some of the animals do seem out of place but if memory serves, they were only allowed to eat fish that had fins and scales, thus the octopus, the catfish, the shrimp, and anything that does not have both fins and scales were considered unclean. I would have been in bad shape because I REALLY like my catfish. As for the rabbit, any animal with a padded foot could not be eaten. In this regard, the rabbit was like the camel. Both chew their cud but both have a padded foot and were therefore unclean.
 
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wrong again. O.T. law was fulfilled by Christ. by grace we are saved through faith for good works. not of ourselves, it is a GIFT of God. plain and simple. you just refuse to see it. now if you want to keep the law, go ahead. but has nothing to do with salvation through Christ.
read my post again please
The law still stands with its original "spiritual" intent. Nothing has changed with God Almighty.

Malachi 3:6

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

If the law had been done away with Paul wouldn't have worshiped believing all things that were written in the law. Acts 24:14


 
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Jesus4ever

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Just to share some things that I found in a study on the diet and health, and even hygiene laws of Israel.

In the 1940-1950s a study was conducted by the A.M.A. which was prompted by sickness found in certain people and cultures.
The study had concluded that certain foods if not cleaned and cook proper would be harmful and sometimes fatal to ones health. To the surprise of the study these sicknesses were rarely found among the Jewish people and the study had concluded that their diet law was the main reason for this.

The findings above prompted another study about certain diseases and cancer found in women and sometimes men with different cultures.
They were looking for a link to these problems and found once again the Jewish people rarely had these issues.
Upon close examination they found out that the uncircumcised male carried many contributing factors to the health issues found in women of that day.

So to further press in they went to genesis and found that Abraham circumcised on the eighth day according to the Lord chapter 21. There findings were shocking to say the least.
A male child eight days old has a chemical in him that disappears in 24 hrs that helps the blood clot.
It is at its highest level of strength at the 8th day.
Today a male is given a shot to induce this factor and it can be done on day 1 or 2.

Once again a study was done because of infection after surgery to find out why it was so common post surgery.
Their findings were found out to be the washing technique of the doctors were not as proper as once thought.
So the A.M.A. looked at the washing rituals used in the old testament....guess what these practices were adopted and still are used today..............gods wisdom who knew.

It might interest some that the A.M.A. symbol is a serpent on a staff....wonder if Moses got the copy rights?

Interesting. Just curious, brother...do you eat chicken?