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There has been many threads devoted to correct doctrine on this board, lately.

Does correct doctrine save you?

Does false doctrine daammnn you?

You guys already know what I think about this issue - I've heard a little bit from a few people on this subject, but I would like to hear more.
 
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Ha!

So what role should doctrine play?
Well, doctrine, I believe, is man's attempt to grasp the complex nature of G-d. The finite man's eternal striving to understand the infinite G-d. I don't believe there's anything WRONG with doctrine, as it can certainly lead to a better understanding of G-d and His Word - which is good.

However, when that doctrine becomes your focus, your salvation, that is when doctrine becomes a bad thing. Yeshua was clear that HE was the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Not A way, A truth, and A life. THE Way, Truth, and Life.

If your salvation is dependent on your doctrine, you do not understand salvation. Doctrine is the medium to gain knowledge and understanding of G-d and His Word.
 
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Doctrine does save and here is the verses to prove it:


1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed:

Act 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.


Does false doctrine send a person to hell? I believe yes:

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 

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I would say the doctrine of the pharisees could very well mislead people. Incorrect doctrine will also draw away from the truth.
 
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Great verses snail.

Allow if I ever stated anything about saving myself (like the first verse).....I would have been driven out of here!
 
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There has been many threads devoted to correct doctrine on this board, lately.

Does correct doctrine save you?

Does false doctrine daammnn you?

You guys already know what I think about this issue - I've heard a little bit from a few people on this subject, but I would like to hear more.
I think that if you want to be saved, you must believe in Jesus. (John 3:16)

I think if you want to be happy, you need to repent of your sin. (Matt 4:17)
 
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I would say the doctrine of the pharisees could very well mislead people. Incorrect doctrine will also draw away from the truth.
This is true. Incorrect doctrine CAN draw people away from the truth...but then, who is to decide what doctrine is correct or incorrect? Many times, we think we have all the answers but we could be very, very wrong :)

However, while incorrect doctrine CAN lead people away from the truth, it does not save, which was the question.
 
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I would say the doctrine of the pharisees could very well mislead people. Incorrect doctrine will also draw away from the truth.
What was wrong with the doctrine of the Pharisees? We all know it is bad, but why is it bad?
 
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Allow if I ever stated anything about saving myself (like the first verse).....I would have been driven out of here!
I've been there done that. Make a thread, post the scripture where Peter said "save yourselves", or that one above, and then make an argument that we can save ourselves.
Sparks flew.
 
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I've been there done that. Make a thread, post the scripture where Peter said "save yourselves", or that one above, and then make an argument that we can save ourselves.
Sparks flew.

Ha! I think you need to come up with something else controversial - take the heat off of me for a minute
 
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Personally, I'm not big on the idea that we can save ourselves...what need would we have for G-d and for Yeshua HaMoshiach, the physical manifestation of the Word of G-d, if we could save ourselves?
 
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We can see that our choosing to accept God is in a way saving ourselves. That's why Peter exhorted his crowd to "save yourselves" by accepting the words he said. We can say "I saved myself by choosing God's offer of grace and forgiveness". The Calvinists would be spitting chips, but that's what the bible says.
 
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We can see that our choosing to accept God is in a way saving ourselves. That's why Peter exhorted his crowd to "save yourselves" by accepting the words he said. We can say "I saved myself by choosing God's offer of grace and forgiveness". The Calvinists would be spitting chips, but that's what the bible says.
Is it speaking about saving ourselves from the fate of all men who do not follow G-d, though? Or is it speaking about saving ourselves from some earthly issues instead?
 
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Both I would say. You get saved from both when you get saved I think. Not only does the bible say you can save others, but that you can save yourself.
 
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We can see that our choosing to accept God is in a way saving ourselves. That's why Peter exhorted his crowd to "save yourselves" by accepting the words he said. We can say "I saved myself by choosing God's offer of grace and forgiveness". The Calvinists would be spitting chips, but that's what the bible says.
Ha! Indeed.

I appreciate all the NT writers - they were a lot looser with their language than we feel comfortable with.
 
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Grace is subjective kindness, or objective favour.

You know that God gives different amounts of grace to every person?:

Eph 4:7 But to every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
 
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Also scripture says not to receive God's grace in vain. Which would be receiving it, and then falling away. Receiving it, and not pursuing holiness.
2Co 6:1 But working together, we also call on you not to receive the grace of God in vain.


How many of you can say, "I am glad I chose to receive God's grace, I am glad I saved myself", without feeling guilty? And God says, "I am glad you chose my offer of grace, and chose to be saved, as well"

Now we sit back and wait for the Calvinists to spit chips :).
 
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