about tithes

Agricola · Sep 12, 2015

Where did I say all this?

Answer: I did not, therefore stop jumping to conclusions.

First of all my church does not own a building, secondly I did not say I do not give to my church, I simply said give where you are prompted to give. One month I gave £100 to a teenage Romanian woman selling Big Issue magazine because Holy Spirit would not let it go for hours and hours, got to point where I tried to shut it out and ignore her, did not go near her, but I gave in and said OK God, so be it. That was the amount she had fallen short of rent that month, she was choking back the tears, turns out she is a born again Christian. God provides for his own in mysterious ways. Needless to say my church did not get any money, but God looks after our church as well.

Dino246 · Sep 12, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Pardon my misprint on the verse; you are correct.

If the whole point of the chapter is about special offerings, why does the first part of v. 30 mention the tithe? A tithe is not an offering, but a requirement.

"The animals of tithe were subject to acceptance or rejection by the priests." I have not been able to locate that in Scripture. Your reference, please? Consider Lev. 27:33, "He must not pick out the good from the bad, or make any substitution."

Your comment "You can keep your dime on the dollar and try to do well without his help" is a weak ad hominem attack and an argumentum ad baculum. You seem to assume that those who disagree with you give nothing, which is not a valid assumption. How much I or other believers give is separate from whether Scripture teaches Christians to tithe.

"Where is it written to stop tithing? Taking opposition to that is selfishness." There aren't specific texts releasing Christians on every point of the Law, but read Acts 15:24-29. And the selfishness part? I simply believe that Christ fulfilled the Law; no selfishness there. May I suggest something, just as an exercise? Try reading Galatians as though the issue at hand were tithing rather than circumcision....

Malu · Sep 13, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

You have it under your nose. Hebrews 7 is conclusive. Jesus is the last High Priest, after the eternal ORDER of Melchizedek.
Jesus has the same rights that priest/king had.

Freewill giving was part of the law, also taught in the NT. The promises for freewill giving are not as great as the tithe promises. Both are good.

The fact that Paul devoted that much scripture to the likenesses of the two priesthoods and covenants concerning this topic should be an indication of their importance to be understood.

How can you reconcile a NT covenant commandment concerning preachers of the gospel deserving the same financial setup as the old priesthood, a budgetary income, already known to the roving Levites (assessors in our modern terms) before the time of tithing once a year, with a rejection of the ordained method of support? The only way to do it is by tithes and offerings. If the people had a bad agri year they could make up for a shortfall in tithes with offerings of anything freewill offered with some restrictions.

Taking away the tithe is like telling employees there won't be any more paychecks, but they can use the office phones, take part in company buffets from time to time, and receive a few tips as profits rise. What you are saying is no less absurd. You have no authority to deny the efficacy of tithing in terms of support of Christian ministers, that being well understood of most Christians Paul wrote to, needing no deep study about it. He wrote about it anyway.

Comprehend the word of God. Read Heb 7 over and over. You'll surely find it.

Amen amen well said

bafa · Sep 18, 2015

Dino246 said:

Tithe means tenth (ordinal) or one-tenth (fraction), simple as that. As to how it is used in Scripture, an exhaustive concordance can answer that. As for Christian practice, that is a different issue, one which is sure to evoke disagreement. Some of us believe that tithing is for Christians, some believe that tithing is part of the Old Covenant law which was fulfilled in Christ. We can quote Scripture at you, and each other, and not convince anyone.

May I ask for clarification on your OP? The scripture quoted doesn't seem to connect with your question, which is fine; I'm just wondering if you saw a connection.

about my share; it is something that i believe at spiritually on tithes

bafa · Sep 18, 2015

jb said:

hi! i'm just asking:are you saying about disenforcing taxes on individuals and order?

i like to hear that on your simpliest and natural insights about your here thread.

bafa · Sep 18, 2015

Yet said:

about stealing; so how can a person or a priest can steal our tithes when everything that were having from our God the father are all sufficient for us until the end of the days comes. and we, as still living in this world are only have limited neccesities and the next day is a new day for us? i find stealing is very a supreme feeling.

Are you including the Levites which God had anointed for us to look after the tithes and the church?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 18, 2015

I don't endorse everything on this site, but this is a great study on tithing - The Tithing Dilemma

Eva1218 · Sep 18, 2015

Tithe: Tenth part of a payment
Malachi 3:7-12, Luke 21:1-4

Thing is many suffer from not bringing in their tithe and offerings into GOD's Storehouse. GOD's Storehouse is where HIS people come together to meet and hear from HIM. Which we call today as Church. Though many become disturbed by giving their hard working money to Church understand why we are to do so. It is a Command from GOD, They provide needs to the poor, Giving is a big part of being a Christian, to name a few.

Also keep in mind when learning of tithing also learn about offering. The offering is not a part of the tithe. Offerings are when we use our Gifts, Talents, Abilities and Monetary Gift. When one is Gifted in Worship and they become a member of the Worship team at Church they are Offering their Gift.

When it comes to Tithes and offerings we are to do both. Many may say they can not afford to pay tithes thing is we can not afford not to. The system we are now living in politically has cause economy to be ruined. So for those who have not stored up understand you can not expect a Harvest one must sow.

Try changing your mindset regarding tithing because when we see it as GOD's Command instead of the pastor's greed. Now I will say this if you can not trust your Pastor with your tithe Pray and ask GOD where you belong. GOD tells us to be
good stewards over what HE has provided us.

Just because the plate is passed around many times does not mean you have to put something in every time. Pray when you get your finances and seek GOD on what you are to do. Also never allow yourself to be forced always be led by GOD. We do not tithe to be broke we tithe to have provision in GOD's Storehouse for when we come in need all we have to do is go to where we have stored up.

Our tithes help in Missions, widows, orphans etc...when we do this GOD will do HIS part and keep everything flowing properly with utilities and maintenance. GOD will speak to the Leaders when they Pray and or when in communication with GOD on how to be good stewards over the tithes and resources coming in.

Blessings!!!!!!!

Yet · Sep 22, 2015

bafa said:

I cut to the chase. Tithing is not for today. Free will giving is. Support for traveling preacher and support for the poor. That's it! But not if it is hurting you in a major way. Simple! The simplicity of the gospel. Men make it hard as rock because of their greed and laziness.

shotgunner · Sep 22, 2015

Yet said:

It really comes down to only one thing, who and what is your main priority in life? Are we holding back from our giving so that we can spend it on things that hold a higher priority in our life? Do we spend more on tobacco than we give to God? How about cable TV, or the toys we enjoy? God doesn't need our money but he does want our hearts.

Yet · Sep 22, 2015

shotgunner said:

When He has your complete surrender, then the big screen TV may be in order. Or living in a card board box on the river may be in order. We are to be 'led of the Spirit'. Saying we are don't make it so, I agree. One had better be fully convinced of what he does is with God's approval.

But as far as the vexation of the law.....tithes/ties that bind should be discarded lest you place a curse on yourself. See:Galatians.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 22, 2015

Tithe

a ten percent offering made to the Levitical priesthood. A state income tax given to the the tribe of levi, where were not allowed to farm, work, or make a living, but were task with doing Gods work and serve the people.

ukok102nak · Sep 22, 2015

bafa said:

douay-rheimes version
2 Corinthians: 9. 7. Every one as he hath determined in his heart, not with sadness, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Matthew 10:8
“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. You have received without paying, give without being paid.

2 Corinthians 9:7
Let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not of grief or of necessity, for Elohim loves a joyous giver.

Hebrews 10:16
“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them,”

Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in completeness of belief, having our hearts sprinkled from a wicked conscience and our bodies washed with clean water.
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our expectation without yielding, for He who promised is trustworthy.
24 And let us be concerned for one another in order to stir up love and good works,c

its all up to you ma'am

ukok102nak · Sep 22, 2015

bafa said:

mabuting madaling ataw sayo kapatid :smoke:
este kapatid :happy:
eto po pakisubokan nyo po na unawain kung
ano po ang espiritual sa talata lo na yan
Luke 18:9
And He also spoke this parable to some who relied on themselves that they were righteous, and looking down on others:
10 “Two men went up to the Set-apart Place to pray – the one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 “The Pharisee stood and began to pray with himself this way, ‘Elohim, I thank You that I am not like the rest of men, swindlers, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 ‘I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess.’
13 “But the tax collector standing at a distance would not even raise his eyes to the heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘Elohim, show favour unto me, a sinner!’
TS1998 version

pakitignan nyo narin po sa inyong biblia kung may pagkakapareho ng nilalaman
upang sa gayon ay inyo lo na mapagtanto ang nais namen na iparating sa inyo.

maraming salamat po :ty:

StandingFirmInChrist · Oct 27, 2015

bafa said:

Doesn't really matter how we define tithes, what matters is how God defines tithes. Our opinions do not outweigh God's decrees.

What preachers call tithes today is nothing like that which God’s Word says concerning His holy tithe.
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only of the crops, flocks and herds. (Numbers 18:21-28; Leviticus 27:30-33) Today, it is taught that God requires our money to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only the Levites were authorized to receive the yearly tithe. (Numbers 18:24-26) On the third year the tithe was kept in the tither's city to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites that were living in the tither's city, and the foreigner that was visiting the city. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23, 28-29) Every seventh year, there was no tithe required. (Leviticus 25:4,20) Today, churches teach a weekly tithe with no instruction to keep the tithe in your own community, nor is there a rest from the tithe every seventh year. Pastors of the Church teach that the Church can receive it. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only required of those who owned land on which one could plant gardens or orchards, or breed livestock on. Men who did not own gardens, orchards or livestock were not required to tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, the Church teaches God requires all members of the congregation to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only Israelites were required to tithe. (Leviticus 27:30-34; Psalms 147:19-20) The Levites could not accept tithes from anyone who was not of the nation of Israel. (Numbers 18:26) Today, Church members all over the world are told to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, firstfruits and the tithe were separate (Nehemiah 10:37-38; 12:44) Today, the Church teaches that tithes and firstfruits are the same thing. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was of the increase of crops, flocks & livestock. (Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, Churches teach that 10% of your paycheck is to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
Contrary to the popular teaching, God is not going to curse you if you don’t tithe your money. Many a preacher will stand behind the pulpit and preach that Malachi 3:8-10 is a warning to their congregations that they will receive a curse if they don’t tithe their money. Since God’s Word defines what the tithe was, how can preachers say it is something different? How can the members of the congregation agree that the tithe is something other than what God's Holy Word declares it to be? Brethren, the tithe in Malachi 3 was of the crops. God says bring it in the storehouse. The storehouse was rooms encircling the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (1 Kings 6:5-10) And God told the Priests who had stolen the tithes to return the tithes. If they would, He would open the windows of Heaven, (remember the first time the windows of Heaven are mentioned in the Bible? God made it rain upon the Earth) and He would pour out a blessing that the people would not be able to receive. He would rebuke the devourer (the locust) for their sake. Folks, God was speaking of abundance of crops as a blessing for tithing of the crops. God’s tithe was not money then, nor has it ever been.
Brethren, if you want to please God with your money, give as the Apostle Paul instructed… as you purpose in your heart. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Don’t give grugdingly, but rather willingly and cheerfully.
But regardless if you give 10% of your money, it is not tithes according to the Word of God. Tithes were only of the crops, flocks, and herds. What you are giving when you give money is a contribution.
There is not one instance of the Apostle's teaching the Gentile Churches to tithe their money in the Word of God. As a matter of fact, when the Jerusalem Council met as recorded in Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council wanted the Gentile Believers to be circumcised, AND to keep the Law of Moses.” (v.5) The tithe was one of the laws found within the Law of Moses.
What did James tell the Council that day? It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and to us that no greater burden be laid upon the Gentile Believers than these necessary things: to abstain from blood, and from things strangled, and from idols, and from fornication. He ended with “if ye do these things, ye do well.” (vv.28-29)
One would think that the Holy Ghost would have told James to teach the Gentile Churches that they were to tithe. But according to the Word of God, the tithe was not a necessary thing required of the Gentiles.
So how are we to see to the financial needs of the Church if we don’t tithe? By giving cheerfully and willingly. Freewill contributions, not of compulsion or necessity. God loves a cheerful giver.
If you purpose in your heart to give 10% of your money, great! But since God’s Word tells us what the tithe was, and who was required to tithe, your 10% of your money is not God’s tithe. It is a contribution. When God's Word says His holy tithe is agriculture but the preacher says it is money, God is right and the preacher is wrong.
The tithe of the congregation was not taken to the Temple/Tabernacle by the people. It was taken to the Levites in the farming communities, who in turn took a tithe of the tithe they received to the Temple/Tabernacle. (Nehemiah 10:37-38) That’s right, only 1% of the original tither’s property went to the House of God,… not 10%. And it was the Levite who was responsible for taking the tithe to the House of God, not the children of Israel.
Study it out folks. That which is preached as "God's tithe" today is not the tithe instituted by God. Not even close to that which God instituted. It is totally foreign to the Word of God.
Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek? Yes, that was prior to the Law. But that does not make tithing an eternal principle. Abram had concubines too. Is that an eternal principle? Abram married his sister. Is that an eternal principle? After all, it was before the Law.
Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek was not of his own property. That which he tithed he did not consider his own. He told Bera, the king of Sodom, that he had promised God he would not keep any of the spoils of war for himself. So he was not tithing his own property, but the property of others.
Abram’s tithe an eternal principle? Hardly. That is, unless we are to tithe other people’s property.
Jacob’s tenth? Not a good example of an eternal principle. Jacob vowed a vow to give a tenth of all that God would give him, yes. But that vow was in context of WHAT God said He would give Jacob. A careful study of Genesis 28 will reveal that Jacob’s vow had to do with land, not money.
Jacob made that vow with conditions attached. And one of those conditions was not met until nearly 21 years after Jacob made the vow.
If Jacob’s vow is an example we are to follow, then we can bargain with God. Tell Him if He meets certain demands first, then we will give a tenth of all He has promised to give us.
A careful and prayerful study of the Word of God will reveal to the reader that the tithe taught today is not what God’s Word says about God's holy tithe. Preachers are falsely teaching a man-made command as if it is a doctrine ordained by God.
Matthew 15:9. But in vain they do worship me; teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

StandingFirmInChrist · Oct 27, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

I suppose then you consider Abraham a fool or at least a weak victim, who tithed without a commandment to tithe (430 years before Moses' law) to Melchizedek, the king of Salem, one who shared in victory with other area kings in the war. You would propose turning against that man too? You should read up in Hebrews 6:13-8:13. You will find Jesus is described by Paul as in heaven receiving tithes, as deserving as men on earth that die.

Here's where you have really missed it. 1 Corinthians 9:9-14 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

It means they are approved of Jesus to make their living from their ministering, given through the hands of those ministered to. Even as tithes assured that would happen for ancient Israel, tithes will do the same today. Tipping your waitress who needs tips to make a small salary meet her needs a quarter for a $100 table? That's robbery and cruelty combined. Shameful! So what makes tipping a preacher a dollar bill right, in doing that not likely making a significant move toward assuring his iiving is made from his preaching? Only of he tells them not to offer to him because he is already blessed can a Christian be released from that obligation. It's an obligation because the Lord ordained it so.

Some ministers. like most TV ministers, were investigated by a US Senator and other dignitaries, looking into claims they are abusing poor people. It turned out, and remains so as certified by independent accountants, none take a salary from their congregation. They write books and make videos for sale, like any author might to make a living. Many of them are selling millions of those world-wide, becoming very wealthy scripturally. Paul had a tent-making business, so didn't require offerings for himself, but took them up for suffering saints.

Another gross error in your post claims only farmers and herdsmen tithed. That's where the most came from, those with land and blessed with produce being the wealthiest people in Israel. Through scriptures and separate Jewish historical writings all others, such as tradesmen, brought gold, silver, other metals, wood, furniture, hardware, and everything else the Levities might need. Money most often represents the gain a person acquires from working.

those who ate of the altar were the Temple Priests. The tithe that went to the Temple was only 1% of the congregation's agricultural increase, not the 10% of the congregation's income that is being extorted from them in our time.

StandingFirmInChrist · Oct 27, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

Hebrews 7:8 is speaking of those who have the command to take tithes in verse 5,... i.e; the sons of Levi. It was not speaking of Gentile preachers and pastors on Gentile soil taking tithes at all. Notice also that the tithes mentioned in that verse are still according to the Law. The Law said the tithes were agricultural.

Hebrews was written prior to the Temple being destroyed. The men that received tithes were unsaved Jews. They held on to the Law and tithed as the Law demanded.

but there was no such command for the New Covenant Church.

Yet · Oct 27, 2015

Eva1218 said:

Tithe: Tenth part of a payment
Malachi 3:7-12, Luke 21:1-4

Thing is many suffer from not bringing in their tithe and offerings into GOD's Storehouse. GOD's Storehouse is where HIS people come together to meet and hear from HIM. Which we call today as Church. Though many become disturbed by giving their hard working money to Church understand why we are to do so. It is a Command from GOD, They provide needs to the poor, Giving is a big part of being a Christian, to name a few.

Also keep in mind when learning of tithing also learn about offering. The offering is not a part of the tithe. Offerings are when we use our Gifts, Talents, Abilities and Monetary Gift. When one is Gifted in Worship and they become a member of the Worship team at Church they are Offering their Gift.

When it comes to Tithes and offerings we are to do both. Many may say they can not afford to pay tithes thing is we can not afford not to. The system we are now living in politically has cause economy to be ruined. So for those who have not stored up understand you can not expect a Harvest one must sow.

Try changing your mindset regarding tithing because when we see it as GOD's Command instead of the pastor's greed. Now I will say this if you can not trust your Pastor with your tithe Pray and ask GOD where you belong. GOD tells us to be
good stewards over what HE has provided us.

Just because the plate is passed around many times does not mean you have to put something in every time. Pray when you get your finances and seek GOD on what you are to do. Also never allow yourself to be forced always be led by GOD. We do not tithe to be broke we tithe to have provision in GOD's Storehouse for when we come in need all we have to do is go to where we have stored up.

Our tithes help in Missions, widows, orphans etc...when we do this GOD will do HIS part and keep everything flowing properly with utilities and maintenance. GOD will speak to the Leaders when they Pray and or when in communication with GOD on how to be good stewards over the tithes and resources coming in.

Blessings!!!!!!!

Where in the NT does it say that the ekklesia, falsely called a chuch building, is the storehouse?

Yet · Oct 27, 2015

Word_Swordsman said:

I suppose then you consider Abraham a fool or at least a weak victim, who tithed without a commandment to tithe (430 years before Moses' law) to Melchizedek, the king of Salem, one who shared in victory with other area kings in the war. You would propose turning against that man too? You should read up in Hebrews 6:13-8:13. You will find Jesus is described by Paul as in heaven receiving tithes, as deserving as men on earth that die.

Here's where you have really missed it. 1 Corinthians 9:9-14 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

It means they are approved of Jesus to make their living from their ministering, given through the hands of those ministered to. Even as tithes assured that would happen for ancient Israel, tithes will do the same today. Tipping your waitress who needs tips to make a small salary meet her needs a quarter for a $100 table? That's robbery and cruelty combined. Shameful! So what makes tipping a preacher a dollar bill right, in doing that not likely making a significant move toward assuring his iiving is made from his preaching? Only of he tells them not to offer to him because he is already blessed can a Christian be released from that obligation. It's an obligation because the Lord ordained it so.

Some ministers. like most TV ministers, were investigated by a US Senator and other dignitaries, looking into claims they are abusing poor people. It turned out, and remains so as certified by independent accountants, none take a salary from their congregation. They write books and make videos for sale, like any author might to make a living. Many of them are selling millions of those world-wide, becoming very wealthy scripturally. Paul had a tent-making business, so didn't require offerings for himself, but took them up for suffering saints.

Another gross error in your post claims only farmers and herdsmen tithed. That's where the most came from, those with land and blessed with produce being the wealthiest people in Israel. Through scriptures and separate Jewish historical writings all others, such as tradesmen, brought gold, silver, other metals, wood, furniture, hardware, and everything else the Levities might need. Money most often represents the gain a person acquires from working.

one: who commanded Abram to pay a ten percent spoils of war tax on property, not money, that didn't even belong to him?

two: if every member is ministering in the open meeting, how do they all get a salary?

Kefa54 · Oct 27, 2015

I am a good steward with Gods money and I will tithe where, and when ever I feel lead to.

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