about tithes

[BenFTW]

I don't live by principles, I live by 'every word that proceeds from the mouth of God'...under the new covenant, His commands and leadings written on the tablets of my heart'.
So have we won you over? Drop the tithes/ties that bind, and actually allow Christ to live in us. And speak to us dealing with every dime. What a novel thing that would be!
We are His dwelling place, not a brick cathedral. He made that clear. The Babylonian church teaches that we are to be led of the Spirit in everything and in every area of our lives except when it comes to money and giving. If 'pastors', so called, are really in a God ordained hierarchical position, which they are not, then where's their faith? They demand widow Jones to have faith, but they are exempt from having the same.
If they need a new air conditioner , they take it to the church. The widow Jones does not have that luxury. She's got to rely on faith after putting her tithes in the plate shoved under her nose.
Hypocrites and thieves. This madness only continues 'because my people love it so'. It's the people's fault for not studying the word of God on NT giving, when, where, and to whom!

Churched to death unto subservience, slaves to the enemy who foisted upon the body of Christ the lie of the tithe centuries after Christs death and resurrection. Who would have seen that coming? Well it came and it staid and continues along with the false cleric division to keep the saints spiritually dead, though saved, and content in their 'paying audience' mentality.

None of this is in the NT. Would to God the 'church' would stop 'dancing with stars', quit with the Hellywood trash movies long enough to start studying the word without reading Pastor Wonderful's take on it.

Times running out.

Of course being obedient to His leading is important, but I know people who say they go by the leading of the Spirit and are struggling financially. Its wonderful to give when the Lord tells you to at a specific moment in time, but what about all that other time?

You sow a seed and a harvest comes in the natural, so wouldn't it be smart to systematically tithe, so you always have seed going in and harvest coming out? Always on the up and not a season of this and season of that, but just smooth sailing. That is one of the benefits of giving systematically and not what just happens to be in your pocket as the plate passes by, every once in awhile.

In my mind any person who speaks against tithes is speaking against God's faithfulness, because at the heart of it that is what it represents. He said it and He will do it. People think tithes come from the Law but it doesn't, it predates the Law. Look at Abraham and Melchizedek. God has made a means that is contrary to a natural mindset, that to gain is to give. We give and we receive. It is paradoxical and yet works every time because God is faithful to His word.

I am for tithing because there is biblical precedence. Its your own decision to make, and to not do so doesn't condemn you. This isn't about eternity, its about the here and now. I am not presenting it in the form of legalism, and condemning you if you don't. You, as anyone, has free will. However, I would be wrong to withhold this information from you because it works and is God's solution to financial peace.

That is where I am coming from, there is no need to struggle financially, the Lord has made the way to peace. I am presenting that solution and defending it because people adamantly oppose it at the cost of other's peace. As I said, they speak against God's faithfulness without even realizing it. Its a matter of trust and He is faithful.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Abraham did tithe prior to the Law. So what?

Abraham also married his sister before the Law, and his marriage was blessed with a child promised them by the Lord. Do you tell people that they should marry their sisters too? After all, it was done before the Law.

The fact is, Abram's tithe appears to have been a one-time event, was not from his own household income or riches, and there is no indication that a commandment was given for him to tithe.

Under the Law, tithes were still not from one's household income,... they were agricultural and solely for the citizenry of Canaan. Other nations had no command from God to tithe.

Flash forward to the New Testament. The last place we see a tithe commanded, Hebrews 7:5-9, the commanded tithe is still according to the Law, i.e.; agricultural.

Don't be so judgmental towards those who don't tithe, if you are not tithing what the Scriptures say was to be tithed yourself.

 

[Yet]

Tithes are commanded by men who have no faith to believe God for the financing of the position they have assumed, which position is unbiblical. And because the clerical position they have elevated themselves to is not of God, that is the reason there is no Spirit generating faith in their hearts to believe God to finance what their doing. So they resort to begging, threatening, and promising by the use of twisting Malachi 3:8-10 into a pretzel.....all for fun and profit!

In a word, God does not have their back.

 

[Yet]

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law (tithing) are under the curse: for it is written, cursed is every one that continues not in all things written in the book of the law to do them.

vs. 3. Are you so foolish and dumb, having begun in the Spirit and grace, are you now made perfect by the flesh, works, following the law, paying tithes commanded by preachers?

Stop tithing now. Tell the 'pastor' to get a job. Quit robbing the body of Christ. Tell him to come off the elevated platform and shut up and let someone else have a chance to minister according to God's commands in 1Cor. 12 and Epehesiands 4 and Romans 12 for God's sake!
Quit insulting the Spirit of grace and belittling the blood of Christ that purchased all things for us. Walk by faith, here Him. Did not the Father say 'This is My Son, here Him!' Yet you continue to listen to liars behind the Grecian pulpit.

The hirelings refuse to work according to God's command in Acts 20. They refuse to cast the prestigious religious title away according to God's command in Matt. 23. The wolves refuse to come down from the exalted position according to God's command in Matt. 20 and 23.

The 'pastors' refuse to quit lying to the sheep about the phoney tithe, which God is against the lying tongue that strips the fat and the wool from the sheep, making merchandise of them by a covetous appetite, defiling the temple, gr: misleading the sheep for fun and profit, disregarding to know the plight of the poor, Proverbs 29, stealing from poor widows (devouring widows houses), and not meeting the needs of the sheep according to God's commands in 1Peter 5 and Acts 20.
And someone said that the word of God and His commands are boring, tedious. Someone else told me that I need to 'SHUT UP!

Ok....I will....for now. Be free. Flee Babylon. Come out from among her and be you separate.

 

[Yet]

Tons of scripture in the O.T. describing tithing.

Tons of scripture in the NT describing giving but not one word about giving, mentions tithing. Hmmmmmm?

1John 3:17. Whoso has this worlds goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts down his compassion (and forces his brother to pay him tithes), how dwells the love of God in him? (In a word it doesn't).

To continue now. Chap. 4:20. If a man says 'I love God' (and God's love does not dwell in him) he's a liar. For he hates his poor brother.....(if he can rob him of his sustenance without flenching, with the lie of the tithe). And then 'not regard to know it' proverbs 29.

Well done churchianity!

So why do I continue to hammer away at this?

Proverbs 30:9. Open your mouth (Yet), judge righteously and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

I guess I continue because few there be that will.

 

[Yet]

Today's tithing! Hard on the poor, easy on the rich! In the old covenant, tithing was used to help the poor every third year. Today the poor are required to tithe according to the tithe teachers.

The first 2 years the tithe was taken to Jerusalem and used to buy whatsoever the tither wanted. Then they feasted before the Lord in celebration. Did your awesome pastor tell you that? I didn't think so.

Funning how the self appointed 'pastors' will discuss, in length, every bible subject known to man but will not discuss thoroughly the subject of tithing. A taboo topic. Here's where the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy in the Babylonian church really kicks in.

If you dare bring up the subject you're treated as a rebel, selfish, stingy. Hush up, sit down and shut up, or leave.dont let the door bang you in the caboose. Been there. Got thrown out once for asking questions about tithing. It was a 'do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, straight into the parking lot' moment. How precious is that?



If Malachi 3 is so sacrosanct in the den, let's try on some more of the OT. Isaiah 2:14-15 the Lord will enter into judgment with the elders/pastors of His people.....for you have eaten up the vineyard, the money of the poor is in your houses.
What do you mean by beating My people to pieces (financially) and grind the faces of the poor? Says the Lord God of hosts, Jesus Christ.
To be continued! Be free. Be blessed.

 

[tik]

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Romans 13 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government.

Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Interestingly enough, you in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government--a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel.

The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: "Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver."

 

[Yet]

Query: most of us condemn the WoF travesty. 'Send us your money and God is going to heal you, bless you financially, get you out of debt, save your household, etc., etc.. And if you fail to obey Him, God will pull His protection...disaster will come your way. Quickly. Write that check now.

Then the 'church', so called, 'it's now time to honor God with our tithes and offerings. Malachi 3 tells us that God will open up the heavens and pour out a blessing that there will be no room to contain it (healings, finances, save your household..etc., etc..)
but if you disobey Him, you are a God robber. A curse will come on you.'

Do you really see any difference between these 2?

So you guys condemn the TV big wolves but have no problem with mainstream churchianity little wolves doing the same evil. The same lies. A wolf is a wolf, by any other name is still a wolf. If it eats fat like a wolf, and wears wool like a wolf, then it's probably a wolf. Again, there are many who mean well, but are deceived and unknowingly deceiving the flock nonetheless! There's still hope for them that they'll wake up to the smell of folgers on the stove. And many are waking up as we speak, and renouncing their self appointed clerical positions and the lie of the tithe. Thank God for His mercy.

The poor and the traveling preacher. Those are the two we support. Not million dollar preachers and local body self appointed shepherds. Read your bible.

Proverbs 15:10. Correction is grievous unto him that forsakes the way (God's clear word and instructions) and he that hates reproof shall die(spiritually).

 

[Yet]

Two of the 'churches' favorite verses. Here's what christians have been taught.

1Cor. 16:1-2 'Now concerning the collection of tithes for the 'pastors', as I have given order to the 'churches' of Galatia, even so do you. Every sunday let everyone of you bring your tithes and offerings, as God has prospered you, to the 'church'.

Now, what these verses are really saying without deceptive twisting.

'Now for the collection FOR THE SAINTS, as I have given order to the ecclesias of Galatia, even so do you.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay up by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gathering when I come.
And when I come, whoever you shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberalty unto Jerusalem. (For the poor).

 

[bafa]

peace. it's just a question and wondering what do you think about tithes. and i'm still looking at it. just still feel free to share.

i share tithes too, even if it came from old or new it's still the same, i've red it from the holy scriptures. the relevance of it is my perceptions regarding about our choices on tithes. as a chosen of God to handle all of this including spiritual matters bout tithes, that is how i find it. and about stealers they just steal lol.

 

[bafa]

hi! about your post; what about common sense? such is written in the scriptures which somewhere at the book of Mathew which our King Jesus Christ teaching about the sabbath and common sense as i remember. I couldn't find it right now but i'll get back to you as soon as i find it again.

 

[bafa]

lol on " better be not a millionair," i think rich people are aware of tithes.

 

[bafa]

Tithes? A testament to satans cleverness to his deception. That is how it is about the false tithe, that the devil is a liar!

Not just TV charlatans devouring widows houses. The local 'church' can do the same.
Why do we differentiate between the two thefts? Thievery is thievery even if it is a po-preacher doing the thieving as a opposed to the million dollar preachers doing the thieving!

peace. i'm not talking about witches and richest, it is already fixed as it is written that every tenth percent should be given to the High Priest, not less than not more than. about the two, it's about choices if they will give or not. on my part i'll give my obligations which God had commanded me. as a woman God who Created all Thing provides me a man represents me to handle all tithes. i mean i'm not talking about i'm looking for a man who will provide a tithes for me lol

 

[bafa]

hi! poverty does that. They should have something whether they like it or not for tithings.. lol

 

[bafa]

FOrget the word "Tithe" as it carries many meanings and baggage for different people. Instead look at the intention of tithe was, that is give back to God something for which you have been provided. How much and who you give to, the Holy Spirit will prompt you, it does not have to be 10% and it does not have to go to your pastor and church.

ah, sounds like it. lol, you mean 10?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

A Christian tithes with their time, talent, and treasure (10% gross every pay check). Faith without works is dead. Faith does not work without love. God demands to be first in your time, talent, and treasure. If God is not first, you have just identified why the things in your life are out of alignment.

 

[bafa]

hi! i'm thinking about it, on re-enforcing it. they should give.

 

[Yet]

Brainwashing comes to mind by this next story. A gal we've known since '76 is 64 years old. She told her cousin 'i go to church all the time and i pay my tithes and I am poor'. She's mad at me because i set her cousin free by teaching him about the lie of the tithe. He's now prospering and doing well.
He has shared with her the biblical way of giving but she is adamant about obeying the wolves behind the grecian oratory ambos (pulpits). Mesmerized by churchianty for 40 some years. She just can't break the cycle. Afraid to try things according to the word of God. She's still hoping for that 'break through'. In a word, she's literally been 'churched to death'!

The cousins name is Paul. His mother was in the same bondage for the better part of her 80 years on earth. She use to sneak the tithes out of her husbands wallet. Sounds like stealing to me. She did it out of fear of being guilty of 'robbing God'!
She was poor her whole life. Recently died from cancer in her face. Sweet isn't it? How blessed is that? The windows were open over her life, and down poured poverty and disease. At least the pastors, so called, were blessed.

You cannot place yourself under the law, a curse will follow, Galatians 3:10.

Proverbs 26:2 ...a curse will NOT come except by a cause or for a reason...

Balaam was willing to see Israel cursed....for some cash. False pastors are doing the same.

These are invented doctrines that 'make His word of none effect', Mark 7:13.

I could compile a list of folks i know who are cursed by the Babylonian church.

You think i'm tough? You ought to read His word. He's not the milquetoast whimp you think He is.

 

[Yet]

A further word. God loves the poor and Judgement will come on those that abuse them and rob them.

Rob not the poor because he is poor (an easy target) neither oppress the afflicted in the gate (in the pew). Proverbs 22:22-23 the Lord will plead their cause (through His servants) and plunder the soul of those (false pastors) that spoiled them.


Howl you pastors and cry and wallow yourselves in the ashes, you principal (pastors) of the flock. For the days of your (spiritual and financial) slaughter and of your dispersions (scatteting the sheep) are accomplished. And you shall fall like a pleasant vessel (a fragile cup.)

And the pastors will have no where to run. Nor the big shots that rule, to escape. Jeremiah 25:34-36

Woe unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep (that are poor and hurting), Ch 23:1-4, read on your own. Not real pretty.

Folks, this enforcing the false tithe on the folks has got to stop...but it won't. Greedy wolves that refuse to work, that refuse to come down off the soap box of pride and adoration. The warning has gone forth. Deal with it.

 

[bafa]

So, you attend a nice church building, the pastor there for you, preaching and teaching, local missions alongside other believers, but pass the plate empty? You are perhaps not concerned whether the staff there can pay their bills, tending the "altar" for you continually? Let the church roof leak, the water stay disconnected, no lights due to too few supporters?

The ministers ought to go sell used cars for a living, then devote their remaining lives to serving needs of the congregation? An appeal is made to help them keep their home, but you perhaps ignore such things, not even attending a budget meeting, but mailing a dollar bill while sending money elsewhere? I would dread the possibility of getting that unopened mail stamped RETURN TO SENDER and postmarked Heaven. Impossible you might think, dear readers? God will not be mocked.

You like the idea of yourself determined from now on to live off tips? Why demand a regular income just because you work so many hours a week? Let your employer offer a dollar and cup of coffee, and be satisfied with his offering. If that's unreasonable, then what of the minister? 1 Corinthians 9:14 (KJV) Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

If anyone says they have nothing to do with church attendance or reasonable fellowship/assembly with reasonable accountability to elders/deacons/pastors/teachers/peers/etc, then your problem is much greater than the issue of tithing. I wouldn't try to reinvent the church. False cults led by deceivers do that.

i just want to ask: Why are they poor? so poor they couldn't give their tithes to God