How to Spot a Legalist

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FreeNChrist

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Legalists are tricky creatures.

They slither in the side doors of churches, sign up to lead Bible studies, and fill the minds of once joyous believers with rules and requirements of what it “really means” to become a Christian.

Ask them how a person is saved and they’ll say, “By grace of course,” and then they’ll roll out a scroll across the floor full of checklists to prove your salvation, and prerequisites you must abide by in order to receive this “free gift” of grace.

The Apostle Paul had strong words for the legalists of his time. These legalistic Judaizers wanted the Gentiles to accept God’s grace through faith, but be required to get circumcised and to keep the law of Moses as well. Paul had strong words about them in Galatians 5:12, “As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”

Wow.

Today, nobody (as far as I know) is seeking to add circumcision to the free gift of God’s grace as a requirement for salvation. No, currently, a far more subtle and sinister movement is creeping into the church.

21st Century Pharisees have replaced circumcision and keeping of the law with a more accepted evangelicalized list of dos and don’ts.

These pious sounding party poopers are getting Christians to doubt their salvation, get discouraged in their salvation, and trying to prove, keep and/or earn their salvation. They are robbing believers of the joy that was once theirs in Christ and replacing it with the heavy yoke of legalism (Acts 15:5-11).

With this in mind, here are 10 ways to spot a legalist in your church:

1. They cheapen grace by focusing on what we must do rather than on what Christ has done.

2. They’ll say nonsensical things like, “Salvation is free, but it will cost you everything you have.”

3. They are “fruit inspectors” and hypothesize how much spiritual fruit a person must produce in order to truly be saved.

4. They focus on things like turning, trying and crying instead of faith alone in Christ alone for salvation.

5. Their “gospel” could never be falsely accused of being a license to sin (like Paul’s was in Romans 3:8!).

6. They scare others with assertions that, if you preach too much grace, people will run amok.

7. They conveniently avoid or misexegete large portions of gospel-centric New Testament books like Galatians, Romans and John.

8. They blend justification passages with sanctification passages, and then try to get us to drink a heresy smoothie.

9. They bake the same works-based righteousness cake that Mormons and Muslims do, but cover it with evangelical frosting.

10. They use the phrase, “You mean to tell me … ” a lot. Then they create worst case salvation scenarios of those who claim to be Christians, but abuse the grace of God. “You mean to tell me that someone can be saved and still … ?”

But grace that cannot be abused is no grace at all. Grace that is not free is no grace at all. Grace that is not received by simple faith is no grace at all.

I like the way Paul put it in Romans 11:6, “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.” It’s either by grace or by works. It can’t be by both.

But here’s the crazy thing about grace, once you receive it through faith it begins to transform you.

Jesus changes your “wanter” and you become a new creation. Sure we can abuse it and, if we’re honest, often do. But when we let grace do its work it “teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age” (Titus 2:12).

God’s grace is not a license to sin, but a reason to serve Jesus with reckless abandon … not because we have to, but because we get to.

If we resist, he persists.
If we fail, he forgives.
If we lose our faith, he remains faithful (2 Timothy 2:13).

That makes me want to serve Him all the more. Sorry legalists, but grace is a better fuel. As for you agitators, I wish you would go the whole way and... cut it out.



Greg Stier of Dare2Share Ministries in a post on ChurchLeaders.com​

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Legalists are tricky creatures.

They slither in the side doors of churches, sign up to lead Bible studies, and fill the minds of once joyous believers with rules and requirements of what it “really means” to become a Christian.

Ask them how a person is saved and they’ll say, “By grace of course,” and then they’ll roll out a scroll across the floor full of checklists to prove your salvation, and prerequisites you must abide by in order to receive this “free gift” of grace.

The Apostle Paul had strong words for the legalists of his time. These legalistic Judaizers wanted the Gentiles to accept God’s grace through faith, but be required to get circumcised and to keep the law of Moses as well. Paul had strong words about them in Galatians 5:12, “As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”

Wow.

Today, nobody (as far as I know) is seeking to add circumcision to the free gift of God’s grace as a requirement for salvation. No, currently, a far more subtle and sinister movement is creeping into the church.

21st Century Pharisees have replaced circumcision and keeping of the law with a more accepted evangelicalized list of dos and don’ts.

These pious sounding party poopers are getting Christians to doubt their salvation, get discouraged in their salvation, and trying to prove, keep and/or earn their salvation. They are robbing believers of the joy that was once theirs in Christ and replacing it with the heavy yoke of legalism (Acts 15:5-11).

With this in mind, here are 10 ways to spot a legalist in your church:

1. They cheapen grace by focusing on what we must do rather than on what Christ has done.

2. They’ll say nonsensical things like, “Salvation is free, but it will cost you everything you have.”

3. They are “fruit inspectors” and hypothesize how much spiritual fruit a person must produce in order to truly be saved.

4. They focus on things like turning, trying and crying instead of faith alone in Christ alone for salvation.

5. Their “gospel” could never be falsely accused of being a license to sin (like Paul’s was in Romans 3:8!).

6. They scare others with assertions that, if you preach too much grace, people will run amok.

7. They conveniently avoid or misexegete large portions of gospel-centric New Testament books like Galatians, Romans and John.

8. They blend justification passages with sanctification passages, and then try to get us to drink a heresy smoothie.

9. They bake the same works-based righteousness cake that Mormons and Muslims do, but cover it with evangelical frosting.

10. They use the phrase, “You mean to tell me … ” a lot. Then they create worst case salvation scenarios of those who claim to be Christians, but abuse the grace of God. “You mean to tell me that someone can be saved and still … ?”

But grace that cannot be abused is no grace at all. Grace that is not free is no grace at all. Grace that is not received by simple faith is no grace at all.

I like the way Paul put it in Romans 11:6, “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.” It’s either by grace or by works. It can’t be by both.

But here’s the crazy thing about grace, once you receive it through faith it begins to transform you.

Jesus changes your “wanter” and you become a new creation. Sure we can abuse it and, if we’re honest, often do. But when we let grace do its work it “teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age” (Titus 2:12).

God’s grace is not a license to sin, but a reason to serve Jesus with reckless abandon … not because we have to, but because we get to.

If we resist, he persists.
If we fail, he forgives.
If we lose our faith, he remains faithful (2 Timothy 2:13).

That makes me want to serve Him all the more. Sorry legalists, but grace is a better fuel. As for you agitators, I wish you would go the whole way and... cut it out.



Greg Stier of Dare2Share Ministries in a post on ChurchLeaders.com​

if I may add

they have their pet sins, of if you do this you can't be saved (ignoring other sins)

They admit they make mistakes or oopsies. but they always repent, or their sin is not that bad.

they will say, if you can't have victory over this, your not trusting God (instead of helping them)

They are quick to judge others, and even quicker to show how good they are

I can get legalistic on myself. And have in times, and I know I still struggle with it, I think we all do to some degree.. So legalism does not just affect the work to earn salvation crowd, but the children of God too. "satan whispers in our hears how God could not love people like us etc etc)
 

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Work-Energy Principle. The change in the kinetic energy of an object is equal to the net work done on the object. This fact is referred to as the Work-Energy


One of the biggest beliefs is that believing and faith are the same thing.

So you think you had faith to receive the grace by faith then as written, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. Mark 9:23
If you believe all things are possible then do you believe that it possible for God to lie?

If all things are possible then it has to be possible.

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Heb 6:18


And how exactly did you get your faith that obtained the grace that saved you?

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1 Cor 12:8-9
 
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Legalists are tricky creatures.

They slither in the side doors of churches, sign up to lead Bible studies, and fill the minds of once joyous believers with rules and requirements of what it “really means” to become a Christian.

Ask them how a person is saved and they’ll say, “By grace of course,” and then they’ll roll out a scroll across the floor full of checklists to prove your salvation, and prerequisites you must abide by in order to receive this “free gift” of grace.

The Apostle Paul had strong words for the legalists of his time. These legalistic Judaizers wanted the Gentiles to accept God’s grace through faith, but be required to get circumcised and to keep the law of Moses as well. Paul had strong words about them in Galatians 5:12, “As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”

Wow.

Today, nobody (as far as I know) is seeking to add circumcision to the free gift of God’s grace as a requirement for salvation. No, currently, a far more subtle and sinister movement is creeping into the church.

21st Century Pharisees have replaced circumcision and keeping of the law with a more accepted evangelicalized list of dos and don’ts.

These pious sounding party poopers are getting Christians to doubt their salvation, get discouraged in their salvation, and trying to prove, keep and/or earn their salvation. They are robbing believers of the joy that was once theirs in Christ and replacing it with the heavy yoke of legalism (Acts 15:5-11).

With this in mind, here are 10 ways to spot a legalist in your church:

1. They cheapen grace by focusing on what we must do rather than on what Christ has done.

2. They’ll say nonsensical things like, “Salvation is free, but it will cost you everything you have.”

3. They are “fruit inspectors” and hypothesize how much spiritual fruit a person must produce in order to truly be saved.

4. They focus on things like turning, trying and crying instead of faith alone in Christ alone for salvation.

5. Their “gospel” could never be falsely accused of being a license to sin (like Paul’s was in Romans 3:8!).

6. They scare others with assertions that, if you preach too much grace, people will run amok.

7. They conveniently avoid or misexegete large portions of gospel-centric New Testament books like Galatians, Romans and John.

8. They blend justification passages with sanctification passages, and then try to get us to drink a heresy smoothie.

9. They bake the same works-based righteousness cake that Mormons and Muslims do, but cover it with evangelical frosting.

10. They use the phrase, “You mean to tell me … ” a lot. Then they create worst case salvation scenarios of those who claim to be Christians, but abuse the grace of God. “You mean to tell me that someone can be saved and still … ?”

But grace that cannot be abused is no grace at all. Grace that is not free is no grace at all. Grace that is not received by simple faith is no grace at all.

I like the way Paul put it in Romans 11:6, “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.” It’s either by grace or by works. It can’t be by both.

But here’s the crazy thing about grace, once you receive it through faith it begins to transform you.

Jesus changes your “wanter” and you become a new creation. Sure we can abuse it and, if we’re honest, often do. But when we let grace do its work it “teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age” (Titus 2:12).

God’s grace is not a license to sin, but a reason to serve Jesus with reckless abandon … not because we have to, but because we get to.

If we resist, he persists.
If we fail, he forgives.
If we lose our faith, he remains faithful (2 Timothy 2:13).

That makes me want to serve Him all the more. Sorry legalists, but grace is a better fuel. As for you agitators, I wish you would go the whole way and... cut it out.



Greg Stier of Dare2Share Ministries in a post on ChurchLeaders.com​

Yeah no doubt and there are a few on this site.....they claim Jesus, but they trust into a (wet) working for salvation that they never really possess.......while claiming they are sinless....or don't sin that much....or commit sins that are way less serious then other people's sin etc.....makes me want to spew......they like to give us stupid clichés like OSAS..when in reality they are OLALASL........once lost, always lost and still lost!<---based upon their false, pseudo gospel of works, religious piety and a watered down blood which has no power to save!
 
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Yeah no doubt and there are a few on this site.....they claim Jesus, but they trust into a (wet) working for salvation that they never really possess.......while claiming they are sinless....or don't sin that much....or commit sins that are way less serious then other people's sin etc.....makes me want to spew......they like to give us stupid clichés like OSAS..when in reality they are OLALASL........once lost, always lost and still lost!<---based upon their false, pseudo gospel of works, religious piety and a watered down blood which has no power to save!
We love them (haven't seen that yet in CC) so my suggestion would be to follow suit with Paul.

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1

"And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

Maybe we are just marking them so we can argue against them and call them names like "legalist" so others will follow our example maybe? Of course if we do that, we are not following Paul's example as he was in Christ. Ya think?

 

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Y.while claiming they are sinless....or don't sin that much....or commit sins that are way less serious then other people's sin etc.....makes me want to spew.
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;" 1 John 3:9

John 15:22
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.


If Jesus told you are a sinner then I believe him. But I think you probably read that you a sinner, I don't know.

Matt 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


So if you are sinner how can you be a servant of God?
 
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biblicalsandy

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Please explain more please, you got me a bit confused! I see that in your eyes, I am a legalist...from what you listed. I ask you to be like Paul, and explain what repentance is? For Paul when followed by I think it was a fortune teller that irritated him, he turned to her and within an hour she was healed. I see all the way even to the end of revelation, where it says to repent, and all who are going to be in the lake of fire...I do wish exhortation, and know I will get it. I just don't know yet exactly how it will be presented at the dinner table!
 
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FreeNChrist

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Please explain more please, you got me a bit confused! I see that in your eyes, I am a legalist...from what you listed. I ask you to be like Paul, and explain what repentance is? For Paul when followed by I think it was a fortune teller that irritated him, he turned to her and within an hour she was healed. I see all the way even to the end of revelation, where it says to repent, and all who are going to be in the lake of fire...I do wish exhortation, and know I will get it. I just don't know yet exactly how it will be presented at the dinner table!

Why would you think that repentance would make you a legalist?
 
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We love them (haven't seen that yet in CC) so my suggestion would be to follow suit with Paul.

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1

"And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

Maybe we are just marking them so we can argue against them and call them names like "legalist" so others will follow our example maybe? Of course if we do that, we are not following Paul's example as he was in Christ. Ya think?

I think there is a difference between a deceived lost man and a false teacher who leads astray......the ones I reference reject the word of God, verb tense, context, the definition of words etc....so as to continually spew a false heretical dogma that has no power to save......
 
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This is how I am seeing through the message given, or am I getting works confused with repentance? I tend to think the enemy twist what we hear, or see at times...I don't see myself as a very smart person, that is why I always ask for someone to explain. Even though a Psychologist told me I was very insightful, I know I am human..and error.
 
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I don't think repenting is being a legalist
 
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"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;" 1 John 3:9

John 15:22
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.


If Jesus told you are a sinner then I believe him. But I think you probably read that you a sinner, I don't know.

Matt 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


So if you are sinner how can you be a servant of God?

Look orb guy...I will not argue with you....the spirit that is born of God is what does not sin because it is BORN of GOD..it is bound in a body of sin that sins daily...there is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not!

Both Jesus and Paul deal with this truth...unfortunately many are blind to this truth and or flat reject it......WITH my MIND I serve the LAW of God and WITH my BODY the law of sin and death........the spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak....If we say that we have no sin (present tense) we are deceived and the truth is not in us....! Argue your sinlessness with God pal!
 
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Look orb guy...I will not argue with you....the spirit that is born of God is what does not sin because it is BORN of GOD..it is bound in a body of sin that sins daily...there is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not!

Both Jesus and Paul deal with this truth...unfortunately many are blind to this truth and or flat reject it......WITH my MIND I serve the LAW of God and WITH my BODY the law of sin and death........the spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak....If we say that we have no sin (present tense) we are deceived and the truth is not in us....! Argue your sinlessness with God pal!
If I misunderstood and the bolded was not your point orb guy then I humbly apologize...it has been a long day :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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This is how I am seeing through the message given, or am I getting works confused with repentance? I tend to think the enemy twist what we hear, or see at times...I don't see myself as a very smart person, that is why I always ask for someone to explain. Even though a Psychologist told me I was very insightful, I know I am human..and error.
Yes, I think you may be confusing works with repentance.
 

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I can get legalistic on myself. And have in times, and I know I still struggle with it, I think we all do to some degree.. So legalism does not just affect the work to earn salvation crowd, but the children of God too. "satan whispers in our hears how God could not love people like us etc etc)
yesiree, not only is our heart an idol factory it also is good at producing a pharisee. :cool:
 
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biblicalsandy

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What is considered works than?
 

crossnote

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What is considered works than?
Motive.
A legalist does in order to earn favor....in order to get thanks.

A grace kid does because he believes he has God's favor on account of what Christ has done, is doing and will do. He works in the sphere of a thankful heart.
 
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VioletReigns

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What is considered works than?
Works is fear based. Grace is rooted in love.

Works is you trying. Grace is God accomplishing.

Works is something you do. Grace is Christ alive in you.

Works is something you see with your eyes. Grace is something you know but can't see.

Works is religion. Grace is relationship.

Works is bondage. Grace is liberty in Jesus.

Works is you. Grace is Christ Jesus.
 
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What about faith without works? as in James 2:14-26 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.