2Timothy 1:9

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Care to comment?...

..who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, ESV (2Tim 1:9)

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, KJV
(2Ti 1:9)

[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago]. AMP (2Tim 1:9)
 

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What is the question? :D
 

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Sounds just like Ephesians 2:1-10

1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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We have been called according to His purpose and grace. Hallelujah!

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Self works without God's works is vain. A faith that isn't accompanied by works is just as dead as works that isn't accompanied by faith. God's way involves 2 things (faith and works), and our own isolated way involves only 1 thing (works) all by itself.
 

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Self works without God's works is vain. A faith that isn't accompanied by works is just as dead as works that isn't accompanied by faith. God's way involves 2 things (faith and works), and our own isolated way involves only 1 thing (works) all by itself.
The verse says NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, He has saved AND called us ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE AND GRACE.
Why do you introduce our works of any kind into that verse?
 
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Self works without God's works is vain. A faith that isn't accompanied by works is just as dead as works that isn't accompanied by faith. God's way involves 2 things (faith and works), and our own isolated way involves only 1 thing (works) all by itself.
The verse says NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, He has saved AND called us ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE AND GRACE.
Why do you introduce our works of any kind into that verse?
I almost liked your post until I read your question. Then I knew I had to quote scripture to answer it so God answers you instead of me. :)

James 2:14-26
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17[/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We are to compare spiritual with spiritual to find the whole truth, and not be satisfied with only half of it by man's own wisdom. GBU in His wisdom.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:13
 
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Self works without God's works is vain. A faith that isn't accompanied by works is just as dead as works that isn't accompanied by faith. God's way involves 2 things (faith and works), and our own isolated way involves only 1 thing (works) all by itself.
Why do you introduce our works of any kind into that verse?
I didn't do that as is plain to see.
 

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Care to comment?...

..who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, ESV (2Tim 1:9)

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, KJV
(2Ti 1:9)

[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago]. AMP (2Tim 1:9)
I almost liked your post until I read your question. Then I knew I had to quote scripture to answer it so God answers you instead of me. :)

James 2:14-26
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17[/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We are to compare spiritual with spiritual to find the whole truth, and not be satisfied with only half of it by man's own wisdom. GBU in His wisdom.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:13
It simply reveals that when confronted by a passage that is pure Grace, purely of God's doing...you have to insert man's works into the mix where it does not exist. A real work-a-holic.
 
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Before the casting down of the world God knew what choice we would make concerning belief....those who would believe he gave purpose and grace in Christ before the world was cast down...he called us with a consecrated (holy) calling In Christ and saved us (past tense) in Christ not because of our works, but based upon his own desire, decree, purpose and for his use...all before the casting down of the world..........
 
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It simply reveals that when confronted by a passage that is pure Grace, purely of God's doing...you have to insert man's works into the mix where it does not exist. A real work-a-holic.

We should be "juxtaposing" the word of God according to His will, not "just supposing" it. Presenting God's word as an answer to a question isn't " me" inserting "man's works into the mix," It's God.
 
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Before the casting down of the world God knew what choice we would make concerning belief....those who would believe he gave purpose and grace in Christ before the world was cast down...he called us with a consecrated (holy) calling In Christ and saved us (past tense) in Christ not because of our works, but based upon his own desire, decree, purpose and for his use...all before the casting down of the world..........
To be fair to Just-me, I don't even see where in the passage it mentions 'he gave purpose and grace based on our choice'.
Is that what you are saying?
 
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2 Timothy 2:5-7, 15-16, 19, 26. Actually all of chapter 2 , but these are the verses that came to mind. we need to let Paul finish speaking, before we think we know what he is saying.
 

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We should be "juxtaposing" the word of God according to His will, not "just supposing" God's word according to our predetermined viewpoint.
The former ties together, and the latter "tears" apart and the latter/last will be treated as "tares" in the end.
you just seem to be reading into the text, what isn't there..sorry.
 
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you just seem to be reading into the text, what isn't there..sorry.
Presenting God's word as an answer to a question isn't "me" inserting "man's works into the mix," It's God's doing not mine. If I quote truth that should be considered, then we all should consider it. The same goes for you quoting truth. I have no problem with the scripture you quoted in the OP. I thought by me commenting, as you invited people to do, was going to be edifying, not argumentative. Sorry I contributed to your thread.
 
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Back to the OP, what are we commenting on?
The different use of world vs age based on the translation?
The AMP's extra words of explanation? :p
 

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2 Timothy 2:5-7, 15-16, 19, 26. Actually all of chapter 2 , but these are the verses that came to mind. we need to let Paul finish speaking, before we think we know what he is saying.
Actually the passage in question is 2Tim 1:9.
Paul says many things, I'm interested in what he says in vs. 9 ...and I don't see our works.
 

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Presenting God's word as an answer to a question isn't "me" inserting "man's works into the mix," It's God's doing not mine. If I quote truth that should be considered, then we all should consider it. The same goes for you quoting truth. I have no problem with the scripture you quoted in the OP. I thought by me commenting, as you invited people to do, was going to be edifying, not argumentative. Sorry I contributed to your thread.
The thread was doing fine until post #6 where you inserted man's works into the mix where there is none.
 

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Back to the OP, what are we commenting on?
The different use of world vs age based on the translation?
The AMP's extra words of explanation? :p
We are..hopefully..commenting on 2Tim 1:9.
I realize the Amp takes it's liberties we may or may not agree with.
You can comment on any part of it, even use language tools if you want to draw out it's meaning.