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LOL you people with your unreliable translations. The Hebrew says nothing of the kind. It says -
and God called the light day, and the darkness He called night, and the evening and the morning was of the first day.
Prior to the light coming the first event had no evening. There was just pure unadulterated darkness. Thus the unbiased person would see evening as referring to the end of the period of light which is what evening ALWAYS means. The period of day began with dawn and ended with evening.
Day is mentioned twice in the same verse and defined in the first mention. The unbiased person would see it as meaning the same in both cases.
Thus he explains that the previous darkness was called 'night' (NOT evening) and that the period of light, with an evening ending it and a morning (dawn) beginning it, was called day (period of light) and was the first period of light.
You just dogmatise on the basis of your preconceived conceptions and IGNORE what it literally says.
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But all of us believe that God COULD have created in six twenty four hour days. But the Hebrew does not say so. Indeed the Hebrews knew nothing of a twenty four hour day. But Genesis 1 says that DAY means period of light. The author has the right to assume that we will accept his word for it not change it to mean a twenty four hour day, especially as days as known to men were not fixed until the fourth yom.
I accept what GOD says not what twenty first century Americans say.
I accept what GOD says not what twenty first century Americans say.
When I have time I'll consider posting a collection of quotes from Gen. 1 later in the OT and in the NT. All applications of those are used to teach literal doctrines. If not taken literally, then those inspired writers would have been making figurative lesson out of figurative scriptures, leaving their doctrines subject to interpretation based on.....what?
Jesus used Genesis 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. to teach this: Mark 10:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus took that fact literally, fact based upon fact. Genesis 1 is an "abstract" introduction to the creation week, quite general in nature with little detail. Then, in chapter 2 we get a topical focus giving more details about man's part. There we get more detail of Eve being made out of already created flesh from Adam. That's where Jesus based his statement of the two being "one flesh".
There are many fine examples throughout the Bible that once read, the reader will realize the creation account was in fact taken very literally, and ought to be taken that way now. Gen. 1-3 is the foundation of the need for Jesus Christ to come down to men to save us. If all that was figurative, then salvation itself would be figurative of something else.
I've already tasted of that, so none can persuade me any of it is metaphysical, or a figurative end to itself.
When something in the Bible, or really any form of literature, contains figurative statements, there is a clear indication of that in play, unless the whole piece is figurative and obviously so, and if a sensible writing, will supply the intended meaning of something figurative. Otherwise the matter remains a pointless mystery for the reader to figure out without a real clue, like writing a murder mystery novel without revealing who did it.
By the way, in the beginning the earth days were a bit shorter, the earth having been slowing it's axial revolution. We're about 140 million years away from that making 25 hour days. The measure of days and nights has been effectively unchanged except for a really expensive atomic clock. Consider what purpose would God have had in using that measure for creation to stand for eons per day, and eons per night, yet change to days and night expressed in terms of 24 hour days. If he made days and night lasting millions of years each, then when after creation did he start the earth spinning so much faster?
Since God created time as we know it, based on actions of heavenly bodies, then he must be outside of time, independent of time. So it is he can easily regard one of our thousand year history slots as a mere day in his existence. Since God is not author of confusion, he would not then deceive us, indicating that one of our days might have been a million years long during creation week.
Jesus used Genesis 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. to teach this: Mark 10:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus took that fact literally, fact based upon fact. Genesis 1 is an "abstract" introduction to the creation week, quite general in nature with little detail. Then, in chapter 2 we get a topical focus giving more details about man's part. There we get more detail of Eve being made out of already created flesh from Adam. That's where Jesus based his statement of the two being "one flesh".
There are many fine examples throughout the Bible that once read, the reader will realize the creation account was in fact taken very literally, and ought to be taken that way now. Gen. 1-3 is the foundation of the need for Jesus Christ to come down to men to save us. If all that was figurative, then salvation itself would be figurative of something else.
I've already tasted of that, so none can persuade me any of it is metaphysical, or a figurative end to itself.
When something in the Bible, or really any form of literature, contains figurative statements, there is a clear indication of that in play, unless the whole piece is figurative and obviously so, and if a sensible writing, will supply the intended meaning of something figurative. Otherwise the matter remains a pointless mystery for the reader to figure out without a real clue, like writing a murder mystery novel without revealing who did it.
By the way, in the beginning the earth days were a bit shorter, the earth having been slowing it's axial revolution. We're about 140 million years away from that making 25 hour days. The measure of days and nights has been effectively unchanged except for a really expensive atomic clock. Consider what purpose would God have had in using that measure for creation to stand for eons per day, and eons per night, yet change to days and night expressed in terms of 24 hour days. If he made days and night lasting millions of years each, then when after creation did he start the earth spinning so much faster?
Since God created time as we know it, based on actions of heavenly bodies, then he must be outside of time, independent of time. So it is he can easily regard one of our thousand year history slots as a mere day in his existence. Since God is not author of confusion, he would not then deceive us, indicating that one of our days might have been a million years long during creation week.
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That may be so but I've never seen it as God saying "now write this" as in giving dictation either. I've always imagined the writer being caught up in the Spirit of God and seeing a vision and then writing about it. That doesn't mean however that other text and verbal history couldn't have been used also. Take for example the book of Revelation. Some of that I think is John trying to describe events that he saw while in the Spirit. Maybe that's not the case with Genesis, I just put it out there as something to ponder.
Here is a thought. Moses asked to see God's face but God showed him his backside as he passed by instead. Is it possible that what Moses actually saw was the actual past, not God's rear end but the what happened before?
Here is a thought. Moses asked to see God's face but God showed him his backside as he passed by instead. Is it possible that what Moses actually saw was the actual past, not God's rear end but the what happened before?
Yes it is literal. This is supported by other verses either indirectly by implication or quite directly.
Exodus 20:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
thats the bravest statement I've read on this site,how refreshing to hear you say it cannot be proven either way,I wish other es on this site would be as brave and truthful as you,I have much respect for you,you belive in the bible,god,Jesus,trinity,etc by faith alone,most contraversal subjects on here have people twisting scripture all over the place to meet there ridiculous claims,thank you for answering
LOL show me a 24 hour day specifically spoken of in Scripture, and I will show you a fake Scripture. God would certainly be a God of confusion if He referred to a 24 hour day when such a day was unknown.
Actually Genesis 1 DEFINES 'day'. It means a period of light. You really cannot deny it IF you are honest.
Exodus 20 tells us nothing about the meaning of day in Genesis 1. it simply sees the ideas as parallel. The length of days was not fixed as it is today and Scripture constantly indicates that God's days are not like our days.